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On November 22 2021 22:48 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 22:46 xelnaga_empire wrote:On November 22 2021 22:20 yoshi245 wrote: I can see Trap if he returns even close to his normal form would give Maru fits and it's shown that he can take Maru down quite well. But currently outside a well prepared Zest, I don't know what Protoss can beat Maru with his current momentum. How about sOs and Zoun beating Maru? It happened in GSL Season 2, just a couple of months ago: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2The worst part about this is, sOs's game had gone down and he was retiring. A retiring Protoss player can even beat Maru. teammate, while not inhouse teammate, they may be practicing together so much sOs simply knows. And in a BO3 I can see Zoun, herO, Classic and Trap taking it either. In a BO5 maybe ZZ and Trap. In a BO7 - Trap and the ZZ only on a very good day.
And what about Hero tieing Maru 1-1 in the World Team League last week (Nov 16th match against Maru)?
BTW, I don't think a "retiring" player would beat Serral, even in a Bo3. I can't see sOs beating Serral. I can't see any retiring player beating Serral, even in a Bo3.
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On November 22 2021 22:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 22:48 deacon.frost wrote:On November 22 2021 22:46 xelnaga_empire wrote:On November 22 2021 22:20 yoshi245 wrote: I can see Trap if he returns even close to his normal form would give Maru fits and it's shown that he can take Maru down quite well. But currently outside a well prepared Zest, I don't know what Protoss can beat Maru with his current momentum. How about sOs and Zoun beating Maru? It happened in GSL Season 2, just a couple of months ago: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2The worst part about this is, sOs's game had gone down and he was retiring. A retiring Protoss player can even beat Maru. teammate, while not inhouse teammate, they may be practicing together so much sOs simply knows. And in a BO3 I can see Zoun, herO, Classic and Trap taking it either. In a BO5 maybe ZZ and Trap. In a BO7 - Trap and the ZZ only on a very good day. And what about Hero tieing Maru 1-1 in the World Team League last week ( Nov 16th match against Maru)? BTW, I don't think a "retiring" player would beat Serral, even in a Bo3. I can't see sOs beating Serral. I can't see any retiring player beating Serral, even in a Bo3. When this becaome about Serral? oO anyway DID you READ THE POST? I mentioned herO there. READ. IT.
Anyway, Zest is semi-retiring in a move to the army and Serral lost to him.
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On November 22 2021 23:08 deacon.frost wrote:
When this becaome about Serral? oO anyway DID you READ THE POST? I mentioned herO there. READ. IT.
Anyway, Zest is semi-retiring in a move to the army and Serral lost to him.
Because it's the exact same logic. Serral and Maru are two of the best players in the world.
I don't think a "retiring" player, not even in the top 5 of his race, would beat Serral in a Bo3. Zest is still in the top 5 of his race - top 3 probably - and he doesn't have performance issues like sOs this year. Zest's game is still at the top level, whereas sOs's game is not at the top level. sOs was not a top 5 Protoss player upon retiring.
I don't think a "retiring" player, whose game has dropped drastically and isn't in the top 5 of his race, would beat Serral in a Bo3. For the same reason, a "retiring" player, whose game has dropped drastically and isn't in the top 5 of his race, shouldn't be beating Maru in a a Bo3 either.
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On November 22 2021 23:20 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 23:08 deacon.frost wrote:
When this becaome about Serral? oO anyway DID you READ THE POST? I mentioned herO there. READ. IT.
Anyway, Zest is semi-retiring in a move to the army and Serral lost to him. Because it's the exact same logic. Serral and Maru are two of the best players in the world. A "retiring" player not even in the top 5 of his race would beat Serral in a Bo3. Zest is still in the top 5 of his race (top 3 probably) and he doesn't have performance issues like sOs this year. Zest's game is still at the top level, whereas sOs's game is not at the top level. sOs was not a top 5 Protoss player upon retiring. I don't think a "retiring" player whose game has dropped drastically would beat Serral in a Bo3. For the same reason, a "retiring" player whose game has dropped drastically shouldn't be beating Maru in a a Bo3 either. What exact logic? Do you realize in what thread are you? Maru said he's weak to PRotoss and you bring in Serral. WTF?
Still angry Maru won over Serral? And Reynor?
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On November 22 2021 23:22 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 23:20 xelnaga_empire wrote:On November 22 2021 23:08 deacon.frost wrote:
When this becaome about Serral? oO anyway DID you READ THE POST? I mentioned herO there. READ. IT.
Anyway, Zest is semi-retiring in a move to the army and Serral lost to him. Because it's the exact same logic. Serral and Maru are two of the best players in the world. A "retiring" player not even in the top 5 of his race would beat Serral in a Bo3. Zest is still in the top 5 of his race (top 3 probably) and he doesn't have performance issues like sOs this year. Zest's game is still at the top level, whereas sOs's game is not at the top level. sOs was not a top 5 Protoss player upon retiring. I don't think a "retiring" player whose game has dropped drastically would beat Serral in a Bo3. For the same reason, a "retiring" player whose game has dropped drastically shouldn't be beating Maru in a a Bo3 either. What exact logic? Do you realize in what thread are you? Maru said he's weak to PRotoss and you bring in Serral. WTF?
Your original quote:
teammate, while not inhouse teammate, they may be practicing together so much sOs simply knows
I then commented on how sOs was retiring when he beat Maru. My point is, all things being equal, a "retiring" player not in the top 5 of his race should be beating Maru in a Bo3. And since I put Serral up there with Maru because they are two of the best players in the world, a "retiring" player not in the top 5 of his race should be beating Serral either in a Bo3.
I used Serral as an example, because both Serral and Maru are two of the best players in the world.
Get the point? You realize how you can use other aspects to illustrate your original point? If you don't get it, forget it, let's move on.
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On November 22 2021 22:46 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 22:20 yoshi245 wrote: I can see Trap if he returns even close to his normal form would give Maru fits and it's shown that he can take Maru down quite well. But currently outside a well prepared Zest, I don't know what Protoss can beat Maru with his current momentum. How about sOs and Zoun beating Maru? It happened in GSL Season 2, just a couple of months ago: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2The worst part about this is, sOs's game had gone down and he was retiring. A retiring Protoss player can even beat Maru. Even Hero tied Maru 1-1 in the World Team League last week ( Nov 16th match against Maru). To be fair he just lost the DH global finals the day before, at a late hour. I doubt he was at his utter best there (still props to his opponents). But yeah I can see every top protoss take down Maru in bo3 or even bo5, although his weak point is probably mostly Trap
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On November 22 2021 23:36 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 22:46 xelnaga_empire wrote:On November 22 2021 22:20 yoshi245 wrote: I can see Trap if he returns even close to his normal form would give Maru fits and it's shown that he can take Maru down quite well. But currently outside a well prepared Zest, I don't know what Protoss can beat Maru with his current momentum. How about sOs and Zoun beating Maru? It happened in GSL Season 2, just a couple of months ago: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2The worst part about this is, sOs's game had gone down and he was retiring. A retiring Protoss player can even beat Maru. Even Hero tied Maru 1-1 in the World Team League last week ( Nov 16th match against Maru). To be fair he just lost the DH global finals the day before, at a late hour. I doubt he was at his utter best there (still props to his opponents). But yeah I can see every top protoss take down Maru in bo3 or even bo5, although his weak point is probably mostly Trap Meomaika won against him, yet Maru still has Code S titles and Meomaika does not. Doesn't say a much about Maru as it says about Terran.
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On November 22 2021 23:36 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 22:46 xelnaga_empire wrote:On November 22 2021 22:20 yoshi245 wrote: I can see Trap if he returns even close to his normal form would give Maru fits and it's shown that he can take Maru down quite well. But currently outside a well prepared Zest, I don't know what Protoss can beat Maru with his current momentum. How about sOs and Zoun beating Maru? It happened in GSL Season 2, just a couple of months ago: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2The worst part about this is, sOs's game had gone down and he was retiring. A retiring Protoss player can even beat Maru. Even Hero tied Maru 1-1 in the World Team League last week ( Nov 16th match against Maru). To be fair he just lost the DH global finals the day before, at a late hour. I doubt he was at his utter best there (still props to his opponents). But yeah I can see every top protoss take down Maru in bo3 or even bo5, although his weak point is probably mostly Trap
The Korean Terrans have mostly been struggling against Korean Protoss this year in the GSLs and GSL Super Tournaments this year. There are only two exceptions to this.
The first exception is Maru beating Trap 4-3 in GSL Season 1. For that series, Trap should have walked away beating 4-0 on Maru, except Trap moved his Tempests away from his shield batteries, probably one of the biggest GSL blunders this year in the playoffs. From that blunder, Maru made the comeback against Trap.
The second exception is Cure in GSL Season 3.
Aside from these two exceptions, Zest/Trap/PartinG would typically come out as the victor against Maru/Cure & whoever the 3rd best Korean Terran is, in the 3 GSLs, and the 2 other GSL Super Tournaments.
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On November 22 2021 23:51 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 23:36 Poopi wrote:On November 22 2021 22:46 xelnaga_empire wrote:On November 22 2021 22:20 yoshi245 wrote: I can see Trap if he returns even close to his normal form would give Maru fits and it's shown that he can take Maru down quite well. But currently outside a well prepared Zest, I don't know what Protoss can beat Maru with his current momentum. How about sOs and Zoun beating Maru? It happened in GSL Season 2, just a couple of months ago: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2The worst part about this is, sOs's game had gone down and he was retiring. A retiring Protoss player can even beat Maru. Even Hero tied Maru 1-1 in the World Team League last week ( Nov 16th match against Maru). To be fair he just lost the DH global finals the day before, at a late hour. I doubt he was at his utter best there (still props to his opponents). But yeah I can see every top protoss take down Maru in bo3 or even bo5, although his weak point is probably mostly Trap The Korean Terrans have mostly been struggling against Korean Protoss this year in the GSLs and GSL Super Tournaments this year. There are only two exceptions to this. The first exception is Maru beating Trap 4-3 in GSL Season 1. For that series, Trap should have walked away beating 4-0 on Maru, except Trap moved his void rays away from his shield batteries, probably one of the biggest GSL blunders this year in the playoffs. From that blunder, Maru made the comeback against Trap. The second exception is Cure in GSL Season 3. Aside from these two exceptions, Zest/Trap/PartinG would typically come out as the victor against Maru/Cure/Bunny/Dream in the 3 GSLs, and the 2 other GSL Super Tournaments (I don't even know who the 3rd best Terran is in Korea after Maru/Cure so I just listed Bunny/Dream). Again, that says more about Terran than Maru. Maru is overaggressive, sure, but it's not like other Terrans are doing better. He faces the top Protoss players and has almost the best TvP statistics in the world, so... what now? Let's move to the Protoss whining thread and make fun of them,
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On November 22 2021 22:50 xelnaga_empire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2021 22:48 deacon.frost wrote:On November 22 2021 22:46 xelnaga_empire wrote:On November 22 2021 22:20 yoshi245 wrote: I can see Trap if he returns even close to his normal form would give Maru fits and it's shown that he can take Maru down quite well. But currently outside a well prepared Zest, I don't know what Protoss can beat Maru with his current momentum. How about sOs and Zoun beating Maru? It happened in GSL Season 2, just a couple of months ago: Global StarCraft II League/2021/Season 2The worst part about this is, sOs's game had gone down and he was retiring. A retiring Protoss player can even beat Maru. teammate, while not inhouse teammate, they may be practicing together so much sOs simply knows. And in a BO3 I can see Zoun, herO, Classic and Trap taking it either. In a BO5 maybe ZZ and Trap. In a BO7 - Trap and the ZZ only on a very good day. And what about Hero tieing Maru 1-1 in the World Team League last week ( Nov 16th match against Maru)? BTW, I don't think a "retiring" player would beat Serral, even in a Bo3. I can't see sOs beating Serral. I can't see any retiring player beating Serral, even in a Bo3. Hero is already a 6k5-6k7 on KR Ladder, and he has taken of games from other top players including Cure, Dark and Zest. You acting like Hero not a good Protoss is just insane. Also, sOs retired not because he is becoming a bum, the guy literally qualified for DH Global Fall, meaning he was top 6-8 in GSL when he retired. He probably just ran out of interest or having other goals in life, and his military service also coming up as well. And if you want to compare to Serral, you should be asking how many Zerg is capable of taking a game off him outside or Reynor Rogue and Dark, because thats his weakest matchup. I can several KR Zerg do that, and some EU Zerg as well.
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