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On January 18 2021 18:23 Blargh wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 18:13 Lorch wrote: I guess thats the end for SCR development. I really don't understand Blizzard. It is by far their most viewed eSport atm (given Overwatch is known to be botted). Why not invest something into it? I think it's ridiculous to think Overwatch still isn't getting better viewship, but even ignoring that, there is seriously not any money being made here.
Have you seen numbers on Afreeca alone for the last ASL? Keep in mind that there is also a fairly large demographic for the game in China. Either way, Overwatch is steadily going the way of the SC2/HOTS. Not too surprisingly given they paid homeless ppl to fill their stadiums. Overwatch was popular for like a year after it came out and went down hill ever since, its well known that a large portion of its "viewership" is botted by Blizzard. And from what it seems a lot of the investors behind the league are also ready to pull out. Even if Overwatch still gets more "real viewers" than Starcraft, it'd still be far above any other game from Blizzard.
Fair point on the no money front, though you'd think having ~250k Koreans watch one of their games would hold some value to Blizzard.
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On January 18 2021 20:59 M3t4PhYzX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 18:22 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Just release the source code for it to find new responsible hands of passionate devs... yeah that would be great, but.. do you really see Activision ever doing that..? I don't.
I do, however not in the near future ofc. Eventually, after market and leadership changes, companies tend to shift their course and do things which they claimed they would not do a few years back. Problem with companies like ATVI is that due to size and silo-ness its going to take them a while to convert to the next page. So again, im not claiming this is going to happen 100%, but I see this as a possibility, albeit a far one in the future (and maybe when its way too late already)
My post was more like "this is an obvious decision, but we all know how it works"
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On January 17 2021 09:22 T45 wrote: Abandon all hope, if you still had any left. I'm disappointed by blizz's actions in the last 12 (or even more) years.
Fixed that for you.
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Sucks for the Starcraft community. I'd love to get back into BW or SC2, but there's nothing to look forward to. :-/
I don't think the competitive scene will ever be completely gone though. And as long as it exists, I will follow it semi-religiously (at least whatever is available in English).
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On January 18 2021 23:24 gjkwxdfklwd wrote: snip
It is a lot for a strategy game, no doubt about it.
SCII at it's peak had 120K viewers for a Blizzcon where Blizzard literally dumped a cruise-ship worth of cash in prize pool, let alone other costs.
A game literally brings in tens of thousands just through community interest. That's amazing and it shows that this type of game really does have a market.
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On January 18 2021 23:24 gjkwxdfklwd wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 22:44 Miragee wrote:On January 17 2021 09:22 T45 wrote: Abandon all hope, if you still had any left. I'm disappointed by blizz's actions in the last 12 (or even more) years. Fixed that for you. snip
Eh, I was hinting at Blizzard's course in general and his number fits very well with how long I have been disappointed by Blizzard - if I replace "months" with "years". Of course "old Blizzard" didn't handle the bnet well. But at least they didn't interfere with BW competitions. I think nobody can deny that their "interest" and "actions" that came with SC2 were more detrimental to the BW scene than just neglecting it.
On top of that, every single release since then was utter garbage. That's unrelated to this topic but it paints a more wholistic picture. They went from one of the most trustable game developers in my eyes to EA level.
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There are daily "Proleague" matches between pros on Afreeca that cost as much as the fans are willing to donate for them. There's always 15-20K koreans watching them.
If that is not cost-efficient, I don't know what is.
Big game company e-sports is a hoax.
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On January 19 2021 00:38 gjkwxdfklwd wrote: --- Nuked --- Give it a break, nobody cares about your ignorance. Go away.
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Lol im thinking like look at all these boomers moaning that their favorite toy isn't new anymore then i see a mirror and am like fortnite anyone...? XD
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On January 18 2021 18:33 oxKnu wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 18:29 elKa-ThE-FeArEd wrote:On January 18 2021 16:27 TelecoM wrote:On January 18 2021 12:16 LaStScan wrote: Thank you for your service, Grant Davies. Btw, who will be the leader/developer for the next and continue updating StarCraft: Remastered? If you see a job posting on the Blizzard website, then they may continue it, otherwise I don't expect it unfortunately, unless it is community related in my opinion. i would love to start working at Blizzard. Imagine having the job at the SC:R department, i can just arrive to work and do nothing for a year or so. Just switch laddermaps sometimes inbetween and then go back to doing nothing There was never any SC:R Team. Just a Classic Games team that worked on whatever was prioritized at a given time. Pretty clearly that was Warcraft Reforged for the past 1.5 years. BTW, Age of Empires 2 is having 20K viewer tournaments on twitch with a new expansion (yes) released on the January 26th.
RTS is not dead, it's just that Blizzard has slowly and methodically killed all of their RTS titles. AoE2 is pretty much the only RTS I know that has a western living fanbase though and it's arguably one of the best ones ever made and got two very good remakes. Pretty much all noticeable RTS in recent years I've seen flopped. RTS definitely isn't something a major player wants to invest into.
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Northern Ireland22188 Posts
How much of an investment would it be to fix these things, both in SC2 or WC3 Remastered, really? Especially considering these aren’t new features, or features that third parties weren’t doing. Or just let trustworthy third parties finish the job.
I honestly have no idea how big a team or the time it would take to port and modernise old Bnet 1 features, I’m assuming it’s not a totally trivial task.
I don’t think ActiviBlizz’s decisions in this and in other regards has been quite frankly silly. I’m under no illusions what their big money-spinners are but they had a studio whose borderline USP was consistent quality and support for their products, and whose customers responded with a good deal of loyalty.
I was never a huge Diablo fan, although have fond memories of playing LAN with my brother. But I probably would have bought Diablo 4 anyway, hey it’s Blizzard, maker of 2 of my favourite ever games, and I’ll probably have a good amount of fun.
They fucked up the WC3 Remaster incredibly badly, that I didn’t buy a remaster of my favourite ever game, and to boot it broke my physical copy from working that I still have. On the SC:R front that’s clearly not up to scratch in areas, although it wasn’t quite the botch job on WC3’s scale.
And for what? I’m pretty sure they didn’t lose money, or were in danger of (I may be wrong there), they probably wouldn’t have lost money even with the extra time and features and dev time they needed.
They probably made less money on a WC Reforged that people decided not to buy due to the penny-pinching and GIGANTIC fuckups made due to it than just finishing it properly.
AoE2 shows how it’s done.
I’m far from a misty-eyed idealist on this, but Blizz’s direction both hurts as a fan since my first ever online gaming in Diablo 1, but also just hurts the pragmatic part of my brain too. Absolute false economies, the shareholders better pray that the monetisation models in the super huge whale-attracting games ActiBlizz is focusing on don’t come under more legislative scrutiny than they already have, because that long-standing Blizzard tradition of doing the old-fashioned thing and whacking out top quality games that sell shedloads appears to be a thing of the past.
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On January 18 2021 21:24 Lorch wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2021 18:23 Blargh wrote:On January 18 2021 18:13 Lorch wrote: I guess thats the end for SCR development. I really don't understand Blizzard. It is by far their most viewed eSport atm (given Overwatch is known to be botted). Why not invest something into it? I think it's ridiculous to think Overwatch still isn't getting better viewship, but even ignoring that, there is seriously not any money being made here. [...] Overwatch is steadily going the way of the SC2/HOTS. Not too surprisingly given they paid homeless ppl to fill their stadiums. [...] damn I didn't know that. I enjoyed Overwatch when it came out and I thought it was fun
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Northern Ireland22188 Posts
Warcraft 3 is doing well because it has a great community, still follow that stuff!
Imagine how well it would be doing with a good remaster that brought in new blood who were maybe burnt out on SC2 or loved the universe from WoW
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Northern Ireland22188 Posts
What are you talking about? Stuff like launching with ladder isn’t some crazy pipe dream.
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