might explain why sc:r dev has been slowed as of late.
Grant Davies leaves Blizzard
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GTR
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might explain why sc:r dev has been slowed as of late. | ||
LuMiX
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oxKnu
1128 Posts
At this point, them out-sourcing anything BW-related to some other company would be a dream. Also this explains the multitude of lingering bugs in the game in the last 2 months. I'm guessing he was the only guy in the company that still knew the codebase. | ||
TT1
Canada9927 Posts
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland3815 Posts
not great news.. thx and cheers in the future, anyways | ||
Chris_Havoc
United States583 Posts
On January 17 2021 08:12 LuMiX wrote: what are they even working on now? team ladder? It is perfectly possible the Classic Team may no longer functionally exist at this point. The only sign of a Classic Team at all is any work being on W3 Reforged or the rumors of Diablo II Remastered. At this point, without Grant, I highly doubt 2v2 ladder will ever happen. | ||
onlystar
United States971 Posts
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Creager
Germany1832 Posts
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T45
Germany16 Posts
I believe we're back at the same point we were as before SC:R and it's on us, the communitiy, to take actions to keep our beloved game alive. Luckily there's the shieldbattery project and openBW as well as other initiatives we can and should support. | ||
blabber
United States4448 Posts
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CobaltBlu
United States919 Posts
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TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
On January 17 2021 08:32 TT1 wrote: the end is near NEVER. Just the beginning of the new.... Shield Battery anyone? | ||
jojomi
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On January 17 2021 09:32 TelecoM wrote: NEVER. Just the beginning of the new.... Shield Battery anyone? No one, thats why it failed and nothing happend out of it. It was just another pipe dream On January 17 2021 09:22 T45 wrote: Abandon all hope, if you still had any left. I'm disappointed by blizz's actions in the last 12 (or even more) months. My expectations for any development regarding BW died a long time ago. The blizz of the past is no more and as sad as it is, we have to face the fact: blizz doesn't care about us. I believe we're back at the same point we were as before SC:R and it's on us, the communitiy, to take actions to keep our beloved game alive. Luckily there's the shieldbattery project and openBW as well as other initiatives we can and should support. What did the Blizzard of the past do for the Legacy Games? Dont say they patched the game while they were still Hot | ||
Puosu
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jojomi
10 Posts
On January 17 2021 10:16 Puosu wrote: BW's happiest was when Blizz hadn't interfered in years... Please post all those glorious Events that happend in the past. Cant wait for the Album with pictures of the "Brood War HomestoryCup". Must have been epic User was temp banned for this post. | ||
iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4255 Posts
On January 17 2021 10:16 Puosu wrote: BW's happiest was when Blizz hadn't interfered in years... Well, it was worth buying remastered for the widescreen mode and the new graphics were nice I guess. Development has dragged on way too long.At least they didn't completely fuck it up like War3 but it's disappointing how they've handled the game and the game deserved far better. Last patch was just new ladder maps and avatars, is that all to expect in future? | ||
outscar
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TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
On January 17 2021 10:45 jojomi wrote: Please post all those glorious Events that happend in the past. Cant wait for the Album with pictures of the "Brood War HomestoryCup". Must have been epic ??? Playing the game itself on Fish / ChaosLauncher back in the day was "epic". You are insanely negative, just leave and go play SC2 and practice for the next at home story cup then and stop talking. Not to mention Gamei ladder, PGT, iCCup, SC2GG, the Korean scene back in the day.... You are clueless 100% | ||
CHEONSOYUN
493 Posts
On January 17 2021 12:57 TelecoM wrote: ??? Playing the game itself on Fish / ChaosLauncher back in the day was "epic". You are insanely negative, just leave and go play SC2 and practice for the next at home story cup then and stop talking. Not to mention Gamei ladder, PGT, iCCup, SC2GG, the Korean scene back in the day.... You are clueless 100% https://tl.net/blogs/490454-goodbye-hots-hello-lotv https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25775483 | ||
TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES49043 Posts
On January 17 2021 14:12 TelecoM wrote: lol okay, I played SC2 just like a lot of people did. That was 6-7+ years ago... and? On January 17 2021 13:25 CHEONSOYUN wrote: https://tl.net/blogs/490454-goodbye-hots-hello-lotv https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25775483 take whatever beef you have with each other somewhere else | ||
TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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Shinokuki
United States850 Posts
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BlueStar
Bulgaria1152 Posts
On January 17 2021 15:44 Shinokuki wrote: hmm no wonder i've been experiencing horrible lag these past days vs koreans. I've been getting tr10~tr14 now. I've been getting tr 16 to tr 20 vs koreans. not anymore .. I can't figure out the relation?? On the other hand, with or without grant - it's the same... Maybe he was a sign of hope in someone's eyes. To me - he was the guy posting strange polls on twitter instead of using the blizzard forums to ask the community and the always promising never delivering guy. In the end - at least he was doing something. Blizzard only invest in processes to make kids spend more money not real game development, unfortunately... | ||
TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
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A.Alm
Sweden494 Posts
all the best to grant davies and with some luck remastered might die out faster now and we can all return to a pleasant ladder experience on iccup/shieldbattery. | ||
SC-Shield
Bulgaria768 Posts
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oxKnu
1128 Posts
On January 17 2021 18:26 SC-Shield wrote: He's tweeted some stuff from Frost Giants, so maybe he works there a.k.a Blizzard v2. FrostGiant will most likely make a fantasy-based based RTS with heros a la Warcraft. Don't hold any hope for a real RTS. | ||
Puosu
6982 Posts
On January 17 2021 10:45 jojomi wrote: Please post all those glorious Events that happend in the past. Cant wait for the Album with pictures of the "Brood War HomestoryCup". Must have been epic User was temp banned for this post. this is my fav Fwiw. I didn't mean to denigrate remastered, but to say that we have done well without them. WGTour/PGTour/ICCup/Shield Battery/Chaos Launcher/BWChart and of course the Korean leagues before Blizz involvement show that the community does not depend on the official game developer. | ||
moplo
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Puosu
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On January 17 2021 20:37 moplo wrote: snip I find this post a bit too all over the place to respond to, but if you're looking for past non-Korean leagues and tournaments, there's liquipedia.net, and for an introduction to the (history of) the foreign scene, see liquipedia.net. | ||
Timebon3s
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Akio
Finland1824 Posts
How about that Shield Battery or what | ||
Incomplete..ReV
Norway598 Posts
Disheartening that the dev team is given so little when there's so much to be done. Fortunately the BW community is resilient! | ||
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outscar
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InfCereal
Canada1740 Posts
So many people just up and leaving. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 17 2021 13:25 CHEONSOYUN wrote: https://tl.net/blogs/490454-goodbye-hots-hello-lotv https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=25775483 trying.. to.. figure... out... what.. you.. trying... to prove? A lot of the people playing vanilla played SC2 to give it a whirl. The point remains. Guy didn't know what the fuck he was talking about and got banned because of it. Blizzard left the scene for the most part to carry out shit on their own and it was damn successful at a time e-sports was taking shape. | ||
StarStruck
25339 Posts
On January 17 2021 23:36 InfCereal wrote: Man would I love to be a fly on the wall in Blizzard offices right now. So many people just up and leaving. rather not from all the birdies I hear it's toxic as fuck. A lot of us got this scene when Activision took over. Still love hearing how many people were defending this move. Their ability to run a global league is embarrassing. | ||
InfCereal
Canada1740 Posts
On January 18 2021 00:04 StarStruck wrote: rather not from all the birdies I hear it's toxic as fuck. A lot of us got this scene when Activision took over. Still love hearing how many people were defending this move. Their ability to run a global league is embarrassing. Things definitely went from prioritizing players to prioritizing money once activision became involved. | ||
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Croatia9365 Posts
On January 17 2021 23:35 outscar wrote: So many users getting banned/nuked their asses on this post lol. It's all one person who can't take a hint. | ||
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SynC[gm]
United States3126 Posts
On January 17 2021 11:29 iPlaY.NettleS wrote: Well, it was worth buying remastered for the widescreen mode and the new graphics were nice I guess. Development has dragged on way too long.At least they didn't completely fuck it up like War3 but it's disappointing how they've handled the game and the game deserved far better. Last patch was just new ladder maps and avatars, is that all to expect in future? What's wrong with War3? Other than releasing a remastered version, that's all I'm aware of. | ||
CatheadSC2
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On January 18 2021 07:46 SynC[gm] wrote: What's wrong with War3? Other than releasing a remastered version, that's all I'm aware of. The remastered version of War3 dropped the ball in a lot of areas. Most notably, it released without matchmaking at first and a whole host of other major issues, and to my understanding most aren't fixed yet. That would be fine, you could just ignore it entirely, but they killed the old client's multiplayer. Anyway I haven't sunk much time into it and I was never into Warcraft 3 competitively, so I don't know all of the ways it differs from pre-remastered, but in comparison BW seems like it got off easy in all of this. Tasteless did a video on the Warcraft 3 remaster: | ||
Leonix
161 Posts
StarCraft Developer Oct '19 Hi folks, We’ve been wanting to deliver a group matchmaking feature since release. On last year’s Pylon Show at BlizzCon, I indicated that we were pushing the release until this year (2019). Recently, it’s become apparent that we cannot deliver this feature this year. Although it’s probably little consolation, to give some context as to why it is taking longer than anticipated: since we’re a small team juggling many priorities, for large tasks like this we’re reliant on receiving help from various other teams. We’ve made progress in this area, but thus far the planets have not aligned to receive all the help we need just yet. We’re also exploring other, more creative avenues to get the work done. And as far as good news goes, the SCR team has been working on this feature since last year, and a decent portion of the work is complete - just not to the point of release readiness yet. Group MM has been one of our highest priorities for some time. It’s a feature we’d love to deliver and something we’re pushing for constantly and will continue pushing for." | ||
LaStScan
Korea (South)1288 Posts
Btw, who will be the leader/developer for the next and continue updating StarCraft: Remastered? | ||
chrisolo
Germany2604 Posts
On January 18 2021 12:16 LaStScan wrote: Thank you for your service, Grant Davies. Btw, who will be the leader/developer for the next and continue updating StarCraft: Remastered? Not trying to be overly pessimistic, but with the recent discontinuance of Blizzard's (or rather Activisions) support of SC2, I highly doubt there is anyone updating SC:R at all. Maybe every three months someone will press the ladder reset button and that's it. | ||
TelecoM
United States10583 Posts
On January 18 2021 12:16 LaStScan wrote: Thank you for your service, Grant Davies. Btw, who will be the leader/developer for the next and continue updating StarCraft: Remastered? If you see a job posting on the Blizzard website, then they may continue it, otherwise I don't expect it unfortunately, unless it is community related in my opinion. | ||
iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4255 Posts
On January 18 2021 14:40 chrisolo wrote: Not trying to be overly pessimistic, but with the recent discontinuance of Blizzard's (or rather Activisions) support of SC2, I highly doubt there is anyone updating SC:R at all. Maybe every three months someone will press the ladder reset button and that's it. From what i can see on the official forum this is Grants last 'priorities' post, last updated September 2019. https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/starcraft/t/2019-priorities/19 Nothing on the list has been done since he last updated it, mostly just a few performance fixes/minor bug fixes/ladder season changed since late 2019.IMO safe to say nothing else on the list will be completed but i'm glad to be proven wrong on that. Additionally the last Starcraft Remastered development update he did on youtube was way back in April 2019 : + Show Spoiler + | ||
Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
I really don't understand Blizzard. It is by far their most viewed eSport atm (given Overwatch is known to be botted). Why not invest something into it? | ||
fLyiNgDroNe
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Blargh
United States2075 Posts
On January 18 2021 18:13 Lorch wrote: I guess thats the end for SCR development. I really don't understand Blizzard. It is by far their most viewed eSport atm (given Overwatch is known to be botted). Why not invest something into it? I think it's ridiculous to think Overwatch still isn't getting better viewship, but even ignoring that, there is seriously not any money being made here. I'm a huge Starcraft fan, and even if I was the one running Blizz, I wouldn't invest in Starcraft, or any traditional RTS for that matter. WoW & CoD are much more reliable, grander money makers than any RTS they've made. I bet even Hearthstone has done better on all fronts than their all their RTS' combined. | ||
oxKnu
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On January 18 2021 18:13 Lorch wrote: I guess thats the end for SCR development. I really don't understand Blizzard. It is by far their most viewed eSport atm (given Overwatch is known to be botted). Why not invest something into it? It doesn't make any money. They tried to milk the game with some tournament licenses that they made organizers pay (like Afreeca) but eventually they gave up on that. All this while they've dumped millions and millions of dollars on the SC2 'e-sport' scene in the last decade to later realize that that's a dead-end too and dump that game too. One thing that I'll never understand is why they don't off-shore all development work to Korea for SC:R where clearly a job like this would be sought after and it would probably cheaper than a US-based team. That way they could also plug into the local community and understand how to move the game forward. OR On January 18 2021 18:22 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Just release the source code for it to find new responsible hands of passionate devs... | ||
elKa-ThE-FeArEd
Sweden174 Posts
On January 18 2021 16:27 TelecoM wrote: If you see a job posting on the Blizzard website, then they may continue it, otherwise I don't expect it unfortunately, unless it is community related in my opinion. i would love to start working at Blizzard. Imagine having the job at the SC:R department, i can just arrive to work and do nothing for a year or so. Just switch laddermaps sometimes inbetween and then go back to doing nothing | ||
oxKnu
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On January 18 2021 18:29 elKa-ThE-FeArEd wrote: i would love to start working at Blizzard. Imagine having the job at the SC:R department, i can just arrive to work and do nothing for a year or so. Just switch laddermaps sometimes inbetween and then go back to doing nothing There was never any SC:R Team. Just a Classic Games team that worked on whatever was prioritized at a given time. Pretty clearly that was Warcraft Reforged for the past 1.5 years. BTW, Age of Empires 2 is having 20K viewer tournaments on twitch with a new expansion (yes) released on the January 26th. RTS is not dead, it's just that Blizzard has slowly and methodically killed all of their RTS titles. | ||
M3t4PhYzX
Poland3815 Posts
On January 18 2021 18:22 fLyiNgDroNe wrote: Just release the source code for it to find new responsible hands of passionate devs... yeah that would be great, but.. do you really see Activision ever doing that..? I don't. | ||
M3t4PhYzX
Poland3815 Posts
On January 18 2021 18:33 oxKnu wrote: There was never any SC:R Team. Just a Classic Games team that worked on whatever was prioritized at a given time. Pretty clearly that was Warcraft Reforged for the past 1.5 years. BTW, Age of Empires 2 is having 20K viewer tournaments on twitch with a new expansion (yes) released on the January 26th. RTS is not dead, it's just that Blizzard has slowly and methodically killed all of their RTS titles. yep.. +1 to this.. what a shame that Activision holds all the best e-sport RTS titles.. :/ | ||
BlueStar
Bulgaria1152 Posts
On January 18 2021 18:25 oxKnu wrote: It doesn't make any money. They tried to milk the game with some tournament licenses that they made organizers pay (like Afreeca) but eventually they gave up on that. All this while they've dumped millions and millions of dollars on the SC2 'e-sport' scene in the last decade to later realize that that's a dead-end too and dump that game too. One thing that I'll never understand is why they don't off-shore all development work to Korea for SC:R where clearly a job like this would be sought after and it would probably cheaper than a US-based team. That way they could also plug into the local community and understand how to move the game forward. OR Agree about all of the above except development work in Korea. Do you have experience with Korean developers? :D I bet Indians joke about them all the time. | ||
Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
On January 18 2021 18:23 Blargh wrote: I think it's ridiculous to think Overwatch still isn't getting better viewship, but even ignoring that, there is seriously not any money being made here. Have you seen numbers on Afreeca alone for the last ASL? Keep in mind that there is also a fairly large demographic for the game in China. Either way, Overwatch is steadily going the way of the SC2/HOTS. Not too surprisingly given they paid homeless ppl to fill their stadiums. Overwatch was popular for like a year after it came out and went down hill ever since, its well known that a large portion of its "viewership" is botted by Blizzard. And from what it seems a lot of the investors behind the league are also ready to pull out. Even if Overwatch still gets more "real viewers" than Starcraft, it'd still be far above any other game from Blizzard. Fair point on the no money front, though you'd think having ~250k Koreans watch one of their games would hold some value to Blizzard. | ||
fLyiNgDroNe
Belgium3959 Posts
On January 18 2021 20:59 M3t4PhYzX wrote: yeah that would be great, but.. do you really see Activision ever doing that..? I don't. I do, however not in the near future ofc. Eventually, after market and leadership changes, companies tend to shift their course and do things which they claimed they would not do a few years back. Problem with companies like ATVI is that due to size and silo-ness its going to take them a while to convert to the next page. So again, im not claiming this is going to happen 100%, but I see this as a possibility, albeit a far one in the future (and maybe when its way too late already) My post was more like "this is an obvious decision, but we all know how it works" | ||
Miragee
8305 Posts
On January 17 2021 09:22 T45 wrote: Abandon all hope, if you still had any left. I'm disappointed by blizz's actions in the last 12 (or even more) years. Fixed that for you. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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I don't think the competitive scene will ever be completely gone though. And as long as it exists, I will follow it semi-religiously (at least whatever is available in English). | ||
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oxKnu
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On January 18 2021 23:24 gjkwxdfklwd wrote: snip It is a lot for a strategy game, no doubt about it. SCII at it's peak had 120K viewers for a Blizzcon where Blizzard literally dumped a cruise-ship worth of cash in prize pool, let alone other costs. A game literally brings in tens of thousands just through community interest. That's amazing and it shows that this type of game really does have a market. | ||
Miragee
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Eh, I was hinting at Blizzard's course in general and his number fits very well with how long I have been disappointed by Blizzard - if I replace "months" with "years". Of course "old Blizzard" didn't handle the bnet well. But at least they didn't interfere with BW competitions. I think nobody can deny that their "interest" and "actions" that came with SC2 were more detrimental to the BW scene than just neglecting it. On top of that, every single release since then was utter garbage. That's unrelated to this topic but it paints a more wholistic picture. They went from one of the most trustable game developers in my eyes to EA level. | ||
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oxKnu
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If that is not cost-efficient, I don't know what is. Big game company e-sports is a hoax. | ||
Timebon3s
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On January 19 2021 00:38 gjkwxdfklwd wrote: --- Nuked --- Give it a break, nobody cares about your ignorance. Go away. | ||
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StalkyBear
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Archeon
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On January 18 2021 18:33 oxKnu wrote: There was never any SC:R Team. Just a Classic Games team that worked on whatever was prioritized at a given time. Pretty clearly that was Warcraft Reforged for the past 1.5 years. BTW, Age of Empires 2 is having 20K viewer tournaments on twitch with a new expansion (yes) released on the January 26th. RTS is not dead, it's just that Blizzard has slowly and methodically killed all of their RTS titles. AoE2 is pretty much the only RTS I know that has a western living fanbase though and it's arguably one of the best ones ever made and got two very good remakes. Pretty much all noticeable RTS in recent years I've seen flopped. RTS definitely isn't something a major player wants to invest into. | ||
WombaT
Northern Ireland20821 Posts
I honestly have no idea how big a team or the time it would take to port and modernise old Bnet 1 features, I’m assuming it’s not a totally trivial task. I don’t think ActiviBlizz’s decisions in this and in other regards has been quite frankly silly. I’m under no illusions what their big money-spinners are but they had a studio whose borderline USP was consistent quality and support for their products, and whose customers responded with a good deal of loyalty. I was never a huge Diablo fan, although have fond memories of playing LAN with my brother. But I probably would have bought Diablo 4 anyway, hey it’s Blizzard, maker of 2 of my favourite ever games, and I’ll probably have a good amount of fun. They fucked up the WC3 Remaster incredibly badly, that I didn’t buy a remaster of my favourite ever game, and to boot it broke my physical copy from working that I still have. On the SC:R front that’s clearly not up to scratch in areas, although it wasn’t quite the botch job on WC3’s scale. And for what? I’m pretty sure they didn’t lose money, or were in danger of (I may be wrong there), they probably wouldn’t have lost money even with the extra time and features and dev time they needed. They probably made less money on a WC Reforged that people decided not to buy due to the penny-pinching and GIGANTIC fuckups made due to it than just finishing it properly. AoE2 shows how it’s done. I’m far from a misty-eyed idealist on this, but Blizz’s direction both hurts as a fan since my first ever online gaming in Diablo 1, but also just hurts the pragmatic part of my brain too. Absolute false economies, the shareholders better pray that the monetisation models in the super huge whale-attracting games ActiBlizz is focusing on don’t come under more legislative scrutiny than they already have, because that long-standing Blizzard tradition of doing the old-fashioned thing and whacking out top quality games that sell shedloads appears to be a thing of the past. | ||
JieXian
Malaysia4677 Posts
On January 18 2021 21:24 Lorch wrote: [...] Overwatch is steadily going the way of the SC2/HOTS. Not too surprisingly given they paid homeless ppl to fill their stadiums. [...] damn I didn't know that. I enjoyed Overwatch when it came out and I thought it was fun | ||
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Timebon3s
538 Posts
On January 19 2021 07:06 StalkyBear wrote: Lol im thinking like look at all these boomers moaning that their favorite toy isn't new anymore then i see a mirror and am like fortnite anyone...? XD User was temp banned for this post. This doesn’t even make sense at all, what exactly are you trying to say? | ||
Cheesefome
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oxKnu
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On January 19 2021 11:08 WombaT wrote: How much of an investment would it be to fix these things, both in SC2 or WC3 Remastered, really? Especially considering these aren’t new features, or features that third parties weren’t doing. Or just let trustworthy third parties finish the job. I honestly have no idea how big a team or the time it would take to port and modernise old Bnet 1 features, I’m assuming it’s not a totally trivial task. I don’t think ActiviBlizz’s decisions in this and in other regards has been quite frankly silly. I’m under no illusions what their big money-spinners are but they had a studio whose borderline USP was consistent quality and support for their products, and whose customers responded with a good deal of loyalty. I was never a huge Diablo fan, although have fond memories of playing LAN with my brother. But I probably would have bought Diablo 4 anyway, hey it’s Blizzard, maker of 2 of my favourite ever games, and I’ll probably have a good amount of fun. They fucked up the WC3 Remaster incredibly badly, that I didn’t buy a remaster of my favourite ever game, and to boot it broke my physical copy from working that I still have. On the SC:R front that’s clearly not up to scratch in areas, although it wasn’t quite the botch job on WC3’s scale. And for what? I’m pretty sure they didn’t lose money, or were in danger of (I may be wrong there), they probably wouldn’t have lost money even with the extra time and features and dev time they needed. They probably made less money on a WC Reforged that people decided not to buy due to the penny-pinching and GIGANTIC fuckups made due to it than just finishing it properly. AoE2 shows how it’s done. I’m far from a misty-eyed idealist on this, but Blizz’s direction both hurts as a fan since my first ever online gaming in Diablo 1, but also just hurts the pragmatic part of my brain too. Absolute false economies, the shareholders better pray that the monetisation models in the super huge whale-attracting games ActiBlizz is focusing on don’t come under more legislative scrutiny than they already have, because that long-standing Blizzard tradition of doing the old-fashioned thing and whacking out top quality games that sell shedloads appears to be a thing of the past. Large companies like Activision just don't invest in middle-of-the-road projects that don't have a very promising financial outcome. It's just the way it is for these type of companies. Even if that investment would be 0.005 of their expenditure on game development. Instead they will gladly dump out buckloads of money into pipe dream projects like non-sense mobile games just because the market is 'huge' and their profit margins "could" reap incredible profits if the project is a hit. The game industry has been industrialized to the point that this approach is the norm unfortunately. Creativity and quality has taken a huge hit as a consequence. | ||
ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
On January 20 2021 02:58 oxKnu wrote: Large companies like Activision just don't invest in middle-of-the-road projects that don't have a very promising financial outcome. It's just the way it is for these type of companies. Even if that investment would be 0.005 of their expenditure on game development. Instead they will gladly dump out buckloads of money into pipe dream projects like non-sense mobile games just because the market is 'huge' and their profit margins "could" reap incredible profits if the project is a hit. The game industry has been industrialized to the point that this approach is the norm unfortunately. Creativity and quality has taken a huge hit as a consequence. +1 capitalism outcome and results | ||
QuadroX
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SchAmToo
United States1141 Posts
September's outages nailed the coffin for me. Weeks of terrible connectivity, broken lobbies. You want a reason why HAY in-part stopped being run by me? Because I was tired of having to keep recreate lobbies and dealing with a broken UI/UX. Followed by being unable to play ladder or customs with most people, and the stress of the world, I stopped playing. As much as I wanted to be on Grant/Matt's side and say they intended good we see Blizzard does not intend good. SC2 is similarly going through the issues of things falling apart. API, latency, etc...SC2 is also being hit pretty bad from how little attention both games are getting. I don't have much to say other than I'm disappointed but this is blizzard now. I'm boycotting whatever they put out because it's just not worth it. | ||
QuadroX
385 Posts
Game Producer - World of Warcraft, previously StarCraft: Remastered & StarCraft II, Blizzard Entertainment I keep hearing rumors that there's no classic team anymore but of course no official statement from Blizzard. They'd rather keep silent. | ||
Freakling
Germany1525 Posts
On January 18 2021 20:59 M3t4PhYzX wrote: yeah that would be great, but.. do you really see Activision ever doing that..? I don't. Good thing then that we actually have a working source code and pretty much know the contents of all the game files and how to mod them (things that Blizzard seems to struggle with, ironically). So that leaves good old copyright as the only relevant hurdle. | ||
QuadroX
385 Posts
On January 20 2021 17:52 Freakling wrote: Good thing then that we actually have a working source code and pretty much know the contents of all the game files and how to mod them (things that Blizzard seems to struggle with, ironically). So that leaves good old copyright as the only relevant hurdle. Are you saying BW 1.16.1 was reverse-engineered already? I could not find any info on that. As a substitute server we still have ICCUP that runs BW perfectly even now. Always online. If main server shuts down people will go to ICCUP. As for modding, new content, matchmaking, graphics update we need source code I believe or reverse-engineered source code. It's not legal for sure, but if stuff hosted in Russia that's doable I believe. Blizzard having hard time shutting down Russian private servers. | ||
tjhassafds
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Puosu
6982 Posts
On January 20 2021 20:04 QuadroX wrote: Are you saying BW 1.16.1 was reverse-engineered already? I could not find any info on that. As a substitute server we still have ICCUP that runs BW perfectly even now. Always online. If main server shuts down people will go to ICCUP. As for modding, new content, matchmaking, graphics update we need source code I believe or reverse-engineered source code. It's not legal for sure, but if stuff hosted in Russia that's doable I believe. Blizzard having hard time shutting down Russian private servers. They might mean www.openbw.com ? | ||
Timebon3s
538 Posts
They lost the wow source code but they should have the sc one at least. | ||
HuuYiko
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hfhgrakg
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KameZerg
Sweden1736 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3657 Posts
On January 20 2021 22:14 Timebon3s wrote: I think some dude found a copy of the broodwar sourcecode and mailed it to blizzard for a tshirt and blizzcon tickets lol They lost the wow source code but they should have the sc one at least. Imagine if that guy had uploaded it instead. Would fix the game over night... | ||
JLee402
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Wrath
3174 Posts
I just hope community solutions can rise once again like it did before Blizzard returning in 2015 to classic games... | ||
MineraIs
United States803 Posts
On January 21 2021 23:13 Wrath wrote: My theory is that Blizzard has cut classic team entirely or huge portion of it mainly due to COVID pandemic, that would explain the stale status of both BW and WC3. I just hope community solutions can rise once again like it did before Blizzard returning in 2015 to classic games... I feel it was cut pre-pandemic. Would've loved to see iccup and fish not get the boot from blizzard and the community. | ||
Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On January 22 2021 01:30 MineraIs wrote: I feel it was cut pre-pandemic. Would've loved to see iccup and fish not get the boot from blizzard and the community. I don't think the community is to blame here in any way. Blizzard, well it seemed they put in some effort at the start (despite not delivering team matchmaking which still fucking sucks), but yea, in the end it is without a doubt a huge disappointment. And trust me, I dislike them as much as most people here do. | ||
Ollin
Poland77 Posts
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masoka82
Spain566 Posts
On January 22 2021 17:22 Ollin wrote: It would be cool if Tasteless invite Grant and speak with him on his podcast about what is actually happening in SC:R team :D +1000 | ||
QuadroX
385 Posts
On January 22 2021 17:22 Ollin wrote: It would be cool if Tasteless invite Grant and speak with him on his podcast about what is actually happening in SC:R team :D I don't think he "can speak" due to NDA. Usually you sign a contract that even if you leave company you're still unable to talk about the internals there. Maybe if he comes to some BW LAN party we can get him drunk enough to tell us the truth. :D | ||
oxKnu
1128 Posts
On January 21 2021 23:13 Wrath wrote: My theory is that Blizzard has cut classic team entirely or huge portion of it mainly due to COVID pandemic, that would explain the stale status of both BW and WC3. I just hope community solutions can rise once again like it did before Blizzard returning in 2015 to classic games... They cut some support teams in France as well. Many companies have had redundancy cuts during the pandemy. | ||
Freakling
Germany1525 Posts
On January 21 2021 23:13 Wrath wrote: My theory is that Blizzard has cut classic team entirely or huge portion of it mainly due to COVID pandemic, that would explain the stale status of both BW and WC3. I just hope community solutions can rise once again like it did before Blizzard returning in 2015 to classic games... This assumes that they were particularly affected by the pandemic, which seems counterintuitive. | ||
BlueStar
Bulgaria1152 Posts
On January 22 2021 20:09 Freakling wrote: This assumes that they were particularly affected by the pandemic, which seems counterintuitive. especially in 2020-2021 and they don't ship CDs :D :D :D COVid is the engine that makes gaming more profitable than cinema. | ||
jjkertweaq
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Imeh Tusalis
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masoka82
Spain566 Posts
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404AlphaSquad
838 Posts
On May 10 2021 05:46 masoka82 wrote: How many people is working in SC right now? I think their intern has access to the map pool. | ||
pebble444
Italy2480 Posts
On January 22 2021 03:19 Kaolla wrote: And trust me, I dislike them as much as most people here do. nobody actually dislikes blizzard; more feelings of betrayal, mistrust now, and overall dissapointment; if your father says he is going to pick you up on sundays to bring you to get ice cream, you expect him to do that, or at least pick you up; but now suddenly your father just ghosted you, and left you with that distant uncle who doesn' t care, doesn' t have the competence, or is just too busy; but then again can you really hate your father even after all that? he gave you life; but then again he left to raise his other sons (all the other bliz titles that are there) with his other wife; then he came back when you where older, and you seemed to have some cash or something else that interested him; he also had to make sure to "reclaim" that you where his legitimate son, after years of negligence, for further pourposes and to get your name under his big banner of children; He gave you knew hope, bought you a shiny new jacket, fixed some minor stuff, and promised you a whole bunch of shiny new clothes, and above that, his love, support, time and effort. just to leave again; Basically my analogy of what Blizzard did to Broodwar in the last years with remaster; | ||
thedeadhaji
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Gescom
Canada3242 Posts
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