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On April 14 2019 19:05 Morbidius wrote: Serral fans, this is what a Bonjwa looks like.
As I said yesterday, it's not even close to how a bonjwa should be; two tournaments in seven months? Must be bonjwa.. Maru is evidently the best Code S player in history; surely not bonjwa, most likely not GOAT.
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On April 14 2019 19:13 Penev wrote: now all GSL needs is a belt
He's got the UWC belt now
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On April 14 2019 19:00 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 18:59 BerserkSword wrote:On April 14 2019 18:55 Elentos wrote:On April 14 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote:On April 14 2019 18:53 Elentos wrote:On April 14 2019 18:52 NExt wrote:On April 14 2019 18:50 Elentos wrote: Classic should take some lessons on how to play this situation. Obviously you're supposed to recall back and forth between nexus and mothership. Was that Neeb vs TY? It was Creator vs TY from last Super Tournament. Creator messed it up eventually like 45 minutes into the game but he had the fundamentals right I think. creator didn't mess it up the fact of the matter is that battlecruisers can manhandle their "counters" (tempests) Yes, Creator messed it up. he didn't mess up. in a long game like that u cant do anything against a fleet of bcs with the ir unparalleled value He was actually winning the game and then split his tempests, ran out of recalls and lost half his army separated, IIRC
was he actually "winning" when he was unable to do significant damage to TY
That's the thing with BCs. they got that damn teleportation + yamato. Creator needed to play flawlessly for an hour while TY could afford a lot more sloppiness because BCs are pound for pound the strongest unit in the game and can beat any "counter" with yamato. there's only like a 2 second difference between yamato and recall
TY also made like 20 marines to massacre teh tempest fleet because while Tempests are specialized, BCs are just all around powerful
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omg is this real life? 4 GSL in a row, Is one of those things so big that is hard to embrace
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On April 14 2019 19:11 ilovegroov wrote: Im afraid this will get worse. There is no new blood in GSL. The cliff of military service / the body performance drop off at ~ 27 years is going to catch up everybody else years before Maru. Maru vs the grandpas who already did military service it will be. It surely doesn't help that this season Maru's greatest weakness was TvT and all the other Terrans got taken out by other races before they got to Maru.
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On April 14 2019 19:15 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:05 Morbidius wrote: Serral fans, this is what a Bonjwa looks like. As I said yesterday, it's not even close to how a bonjwa should be; two tournaments in seven months? Must be bonjwa.. Maru is evidently the best Code S player in history; surely not bonjwa, most likely not GOAT.
I think most people would beg to differ. Even as Inno fan, I think Maru has surpassed Inno at this point. No one else won 6 starleagues along with insane amount of ro4s. Inno can still catch up but it's unlikely tbh. Also, winning 4 out of 4 GSLs is pretty incredible even by BW standards.
Edit: I believe Maru won I think like 5 out of 12 premier tournaments he participated in during 2018. Unless you are comparing to FlaSh, winning 40% the tournaments sounds almost bonjwa level to me. especially since GSL is close to as prestigious as Blizzcon (some would argue that it's even more prestigious). What he's done is certainly close to as impressive as what Jaedong and Savior did in their primes (they won something like half the tournaments too) and those 2 are certainly not far off from bonjwa.
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On April 14 2019 19:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: Now for Gumiho vs Zest
The connoisseur's choice
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On April 14 2019 19:15 Xain0n wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:05 Morbidius wrote: Serral fans, this is what a Bonjwa looks like. As I said yesterday, it's not even close to how a bonjwa should be; two tournaments in seven months? Must be bonjwa.. Maru is evidently the best Code S player in history; surely not bonjwa, most likely not GOAT. How many premier tournaments there were in these 7 months? 4?
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On April 14 2019 19:15 BerserkSword wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:00 Ej_ wrote:On April 14 2019 18:59 BerserkSword wrote:On April 14 2019 18:55 Elentos wrote:On April 14 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote:On April 14 2019 18:53 Elentos wrote:On April 14 2019 18:52 NExt wrote:On April 14 2019 18:50 Elentos wrote: Classic should take some lessons on how to play this situation. Obviously you're supposed to recall back and forth between nexus and mothership. Was that Neeb vs TY? It was Creator vs TY from last Super Tournament. Creator messed it up eventually like 45 minutes into the game but he had the fundamentals right I think. creator didn't mess it up the fact of the matter is that battlecruisers can manhandle their "counters" (tempests) Yes, Creator messed it up. he didn't mess up. in a long game like that u cant do anything against a fleet of bcs with the ir unparalleled value He was actually winning the game and then split his tempests, ran out of recalls and lost half his army separated, IIRC was he actually "winning" when he was unable to do significant damage to TY That's the thing with BCs. they got that damn teleportation + yamato. Creator needed to play flawlessly for an hour while TY could afford a lot more sloppiness because BCs are pound for pound the strongest unit in the game and can beat any "counter" with yamato. there's only like a 2 second difference between yamato and recall TY also made like 20 marines to massacre teh tempest fleet because while Tempests are specialized, BCs are just all around powerful
Creator sort of had the right idea but TY was far ahead in eco iirc, you need to keep pushing forward with safe points that have batteries and cannons till you reach the terran main.
Maru is the GOAT*
* Only because Mvp's wrists literally died before he could be unreachable.
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On April 14 2019 19:16 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:11 ilovegroov wrote: Im afraid this will get worse. There is no new blood in GSL. The cliff of military service / the body performance drop off at ~ 27 years is going to catch up everybody else years before Maru. Maru vs the grandpas who already did military service it will be. It surely doesn't help that this season Maru's greatest weakness was TvT and all the other Terrans got taken out by other races before they got to Maru.
when youre too old to spot doom drops that doesn't help either. I also don't feel like Terran is very forgiving to old players.
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On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote: Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm. TY ?
Actually with current flash only last looks close
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On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote: Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm. TY ? Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap.
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On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote: Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm. TY ? Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap. Yeah i've watched that. It looked sad and i even had hopes with Trap due to that.
Then Maru just ran through him
i thought i was talking more in general rather than specific MU
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On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote: Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm. TY ? Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap. Despite that TY would have come closer to beating Maru than any of the Protoss players did.
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On April 14 2019 19:21 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote: Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm. TY ? Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap. Yeah i've watched that. It looked sad and i even had hopes with Trap due to that. Then Maru just ran through him i thought i was talking more in general rather than specific MU
well TYTY may be equal at TvT and thats all really
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On April 14 2019 19:21 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote: Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm. TY ? Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap. Yeah i've watched that. It looked sad and i even had hopes with Trap due to that. How? TY vs Trap was such a weak series from both players and Maru played an incredible match vs Dear. Maru vs Trap was hopeless from the start.
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On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote: Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.
how about Inno, TY or even Gumiho? It's not like they have not won anything recently
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On April 14 2019 19:21 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote: Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm. TY ? Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap. Despite that TY would have come closer to beating Maru than any of the Protoss players did. I think its because TY is really good mechanically but not nearly as shenanigans-proof as Maru, so they are pretty close skill wise in that regard.
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On April 14 2019 19:18 IshinShishi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 14 2019 19:15 BerserkSword wrote:On April 14 2019 19:00 Ej_ wrote:On April 14 2019 18:59 BerserkSword wrote:On April 14 2019 18:55 Elentos wrote:On April 14 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote:On April 14 2019 18:53 Elentos wrote:On April 14 2019 18:52 NExt wrote:On April 14 2019 18:50 Elentos wrote: Classic should take some lessons on how to play this situation. Obviously you're supposed to recall back and forth between nexus and mothership. Was that Neeb vs TY? It was Creator vs TY from last Super Tournament. Creator messed it up eventually like 45 minutes into the game but he had the fundamentals right I think. creator didn't mess it up the fact of the matter is that battlecruisers can manhandle their "counters" (tempests) Yes, Creator messed it up. he didn't mess up. in a long game like that u cant do anything against a fleet of bcs with the ir unparalleled value He was actually winning the game and then split his tempests, ran out of recalls and lost half his army separated, IIRC was he actually "winning" when he was unable to do significant damage to TY That's the thing with BCs. they got that damn teleportation + yamato. Creator needed to play flawlessly for an hour while TY could afford a lot more sloppiness because BCs are pound for pound the strongest unit in the game and can beat any "counter" with yamato. there's only like a 2 second difference between yamato and recall TY also made like 20 marines to massacre teh tempest fleet because while Tempests are specialized, BCs are just all around powerful Creator sort of had the right idea but TY was far ahead in eco iirc, you need to keep pushing forward with safe points that have batteries and cannons till you reach the terran main. Maru is the GOAT* * Only because Mvp's wrists literally died before he could be unreachable.
TY wasnt far ahead in economy. He was constantly behind around 20 workers and multiple bases to creator.
He also recalled to cannon positions.
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