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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
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Argonauta
Spain4967 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:34 Xitah wrote: Great play by Maru but the decline of Korean SC is obvious. There is only one protoss at the very top: stats. Serral, the top zerg is a foreigner, in fact it is likely that the top two zergs are foreigners and both of those are likely below Life. Korean terrans other than Maru are highly inconsistent. Expect Maru to win many more GSLs, there is only one and half players who can stop him. What are you talking about? Terrans other than Maru highly inconsistent? Thats like not true. Only one protoss at the very top? There is like 4 or 5, but ofc if you define very top as a one spot place by definition there is only one. Best zergs are foreigners? Ok cool, but NO. Specially if you count reynor as a best zerg just because he beated serrral like 2 weeks ago, where do you put soO then? 3rd? Just stop with this. | ||
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rand0MPrecisi0n
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:36 Anc13nt wrote: Yeah can't help but feel that despite how amazing Maru has been playing, this wouldn't/shouldn't have been possible a few years ago when the scene was stronger. The greatest names are still around, they're just not that good anymore while Maru increased his level. But yeah, with more good players and this volatile game it would be harder given the bo3 and the usual groups of death. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:38 Morbidius wrote: By the way can TvP get fixed? This matchup is a joke to watch. Yeah, I don't play the game very much. I'm wondering what caused the meta to shift into all these timing attacks. I basically don't see any 200/200 engagements with mid game tech anymore which sucks. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:31 Morbidius wrote: Its all bitter Serral/Life fans or nostalgic Mvp fans. I count six Premier tournaments: Code S S3 2018, Super tournament II 2018, BlizzCon 2018, IEM Katowice 2019, WESG 2019, Cose S S1 2019. It's not about saltiness, it's about the meaning of words: a Bonjwa losing 0-3 at BlizzCon ro8, not even making out of the groupstages at Katowice and winning 2/6 tournaments recently? Please...bonjwa is about domination, not consistency; Maru is a Code S bonjwa, for sure, no more than that. As for GOAT, I see why you guys think he is the one since Code S is basically anything that's relevant in sc2 to your eyes. Maru lacks international successes and he only has seven Premier titles, he surely is closer to be GOAT than being a bonjwa but I still think there are more accomplished players around. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:40 Anc13nt wrote: Yeah, I don't play the game very much. I'm wondering what caused the meta to shift into all these timing attacks. I basically don't see any 200/200 engagements with mid game tech anymore which sucks. It's still the same just the pendulum swings more in favors of the races during the stages of the MU(i mean early/mid/late/super late game). Which results plaers try to finish the game(or get an advantage) while the pendulum swings their way(or is not that far from the middle). | ||
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ilovegroov
357 Posts
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:41 Xain0n wrote: I count six Premier tournaments: Code S S3 2018, Super tournament II 2018, BlizzCon 2018, IEM Katowice 2019, WESG 2019, Cose S S1 2019. It's not about saltiness, it's about the meaning of words: a Bonjwa losing 0-3 at BlizzCon ro8, not even making out of the groupstages at Katowice and winning 2/6 tournaments recently? Please...bonjwa is about domination, not consistency; Maru is a Code S bonjwa, for sure, no more than that. As for GOAT, I see why you guys think he is the one since Code S is basically anything that's relevant in sc2 to your eyes. Maru lacks international successes and he only has seven Premier titles, he surely is closer to be GOAT than being a bonjwa but I still think there are more accomplished players around. Yeah, Maru is lacking wins over these foreign ZvZs clowfiestas, why would he be the GOAT with 4 GSL wins? Can't call him the GOAT until he wins 4 WCS Chechenyas in a row or something. | ||
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Anc13nt
1557 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:43 deacon.frost wrote: It's still the same just the pendulum swings more in favors of the races during the stages of the MU(i mean early/mid/late/super late game). Which results plaers try to finish the game(or get an advantage) while the pendulum swings their way(or is not that far from the middle). tbh, I think this new meta is worse than the old proxy meta lol. | ||
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ilovegroov
357 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:43 deacon.frost wrote: It's still the same just the pendulum swings more in favors of the races during the stages of the MU(i mean early/mid/late/super late game). Which results plaers try to finish the game(or get an advantage) while the pendulum swings their way(or is not that far from the middle). yeah that might be it. How can it be fixed? | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:47 Anc13nt wrote: tbh, I think this new meta is worse than the old proxy meta lol. It is because the pendulum od advantage through the game swings more in favor of races  It is worse because the MU is worse. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:34 Xitah wrote: Great play by Maru but the decline of Korean SC is obvious. There is only one protoss at the very top: stats. Serral, the top zerg is a foreigner, in fact it is likely that the top two zergs are foreigners and both of those are likely below Life. Korean terrans other than Maru are highly inconsistent. Expect Maru to win many more GSLs, there is only one and half players who can stop him. Serral being the top Zerg has nothing to do with him being non korean, it's a matter of skill. Actually, if Dark avoided to lose that last game against Classic we might have had a series. There are players who can stop Maru in Code S, they just(surprisingly?) choke very often; Rogue and TY, just to name a few. | ||
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raff100
498 Posts
And furthermore , Flash dominance of 2009-2010 is way above any Starcraft 2 player ever had. GOD literally showed to be a top1/top2 in every occasion he had, in a period where Starcraft was The Game in KR. Maru is still impressive , but a win in 2019 is nowhere as hard as a win in 2014, not to talk about a win in BroodWar. Despite what casters may say to hype the crowd , competition is not remotely close. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:51 raff100 wrote: Maru is probably the best player of LotV, but imo we can’t compare post kespa era to pre kespa era. The competition these days is so bland that code S qualifiers are nearly a joke. There’s no proleague, no starleague and GSL is way too predictable until ro8. And furthermore , Flash dominance of 2009-2010 is way above any Starcraft 2 player ever had. GOD literally showed to be a top1/top2 in every occasion he had, in a period where Starcraft was The Game in KR. Maru is still impressive , but a win in 2019 is nowhere as hard as a win in 2014, not to talk about a win in BroodWar. Despite what casters may say to hype the crowd , competition is not remotely close. yup i mean the maru fan squad hypes code S so much, but the other SC2 titan in serral doesnt even participate in it. u cant call someone the GOAT when the tournaments he wins doesnt even have the best/second best player in the world (and when he does participate in the same tournaments as serral he underperforms) neither serral nor maru are the GOATs or even bonjwas | ||
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Morbidius
Brazil3449 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:51 raff100 wrote: Maru is probably the best player of LotV, but imo we can’t compare post kespa era to pre kespa era. The competition these days is so bland that code S qualifiers are nearly a joke. There’s no proleague, no starleague and GSL is way too predictable until ro8. And furthermore , Flash dominance of 2009-2010 is way above any Starcraft 2 player ever had. GOD literally showed to be a top1/top2 in every occasion he had, in a period where Starcraft was The Game in KR. Maru is still impressive , but a win in 2019 is nowhere as hard as a win in 2014, not to talk about a win in BroodWar. Despite what casters may say to hype the crowd , competition is not remotely close. Sad reality, but Maru is not someone who showed up to abuse a weak competition like some scandinavian players, he was a titan in Kespa era and the ace of one of the best teams. And unlike KT and SKT who had plenty of good players, Maru was definitely the man of JAGW. | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany16055 Posts
The GOAT is still TaeJa since he has won the most tournaments - Maru has now caught up to Serral in the GOAT ranking with 7 premier victories but according to my criteria he isn't anywhere close to GOAT. | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:57 Charoisaur wrote: I agree with Xainon, Code S is worth nothing right now because the best player doesn't compete in it and since Maru is too afraid to get a VISA and play in the more prestigious competition he has a hard time to catch up to the real GOATs. The GOAT is still TaeJa since he has won the most tournaments - Maru has now caught up to Serral in the GOAT ranking with 7 premier victories but according to my criteria he isn't anywhere close to GOAT. yea look at taeja for exmple he did all of that during a time when talent was deep and terran was weak. what a monster | ||
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ilovegroov
357 Posts
On April 14 2019 19:58 BerserkSword wrote: yea look at taeja for exmple he did all of that during a time when talent was deep and terran was weak. what a monster fucking saved | ||
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BerserkSword
United States2123 Posts
in that hots era, Terran went almost a year without winning a single premier tournament. the drough wouldve been so much longer if it werent for taeja it's like 2018 protoss. where they won 2/15 premier tournaments (probably fewere this year since Blizzard keeps nerfing them ) | ||
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