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swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
April 15 2019 12:14 GMT
#701
On April 15 2019 08:19 MrShankly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2019 05:31 arcane1129 wrote:
For the sake of discussion (the dates next to their names are their first and most recent premier semifinal or better finish):

Maru: Oct ’13 – Present
Lifetime: 62.96%
Gold: 4x GSL, 1x SSL, 1x WESG, 1x OSL
Silver: 1x WESG, 1x IEM
Semis: x10

Inno: Dec ’12 – Present
Lifetime: 67.09%
Gold: 3x GSL, 1x SSL, 1x WESG, 2X IEM, WCS Season Final, GSL vs World, 1x HSC
Silver: 1x GSL, 1x Dreamhack, 1x HSC
Semis: x8

Life: Sep ’12 – Nov ‘15
Lifetime: 62.71%
Gold: 1x Blizzcon, 2x GSL, 2x MLG, 1x Blizzard Cup, 1x Iron Squid, 1x Dreamhack, 2x IEM
Silver: 1x Blizzcon, 2x Dreamhack, 1x TSL4
Semis: x6

MVP: Jan ’11 – June ‘13
Lifetime: 62.05%
Gold: 1x Blizzcon, 3x GSL, 1x GSL World Championship, 1x MLG, 1x IEM, 1x WCS EU, 1x WCG
Silver: 2x GSL, 1x Code A
Semis: x4

Taeja: Aug ’11 – Nov ’14
Lifetime: 62.91%
Gold: 4x Dreamhack, 1x MLG, 2x ASUS ROG, 1x IEM, 3x HSC
Silver: 1x Dreamhack, 1x Redbull Battlegrounds
Semis: x12




Wow, that just makes innovation look so good in my eyes.

Strong player for such a long time, and over a wide range of tournaments

FYI the one SSL that inno won was shaky. Weird format, very little prize pool and stuff. When maru won SSL, it was at the competing level as GSL.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26745 Posts
April 15 2019 13:51 GMT
#702
On April 15 2019 16:21 deacon.frost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2019 11:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
I think some people forget how good Inno got, how quickly and how crazy his peak was after that in GOAT discussions

Career Inno has had peaks and troughs, like all players have. It’s been so long though that it’s hard to put yourself back into that time.

In GOAT discussions I must confess I value absolute peak form in actual play vs peers over longevity in the weighting, or pure tournament wins too.

Peak Inno was absolutely insane, one of his nicknames is ‘the machine’ for a reason for his mechanics relative to the competition.

His TvT was only bad compared to his other matchups, his TvP was amazing and his TvZ for a period was absolutely insane. He brought Brood War style win percentages over to a game thought too volatile to actually be that consistent in winning. Not matches either but sets.

This isn’t meant as a counter to Maru at all, just framing Inno in a certain light or serve as a reminder of quite how far ahead of the field Inno was at one point.

He’s since regressed into the still amazing Inno we see today, who can slump but can win anything on his day, and he’s been there for quite some time. 6 years of Inno as he largely is now makes one view him in a certain light, it’s hard to throw yourself back to 2013 and remember what watching him in that time felt like.


#2: 27 minutes 13 seconds* – 4-0 vs INnoVation, OnGameNet Starleague Semifinals (2013-06-30)

Maru's win percantage over 2018 is similar to Flash's, somebody did the math. Just sayin.

How very dare you bring that memory up. Yes I’m as impressed watching Maru now as I was Inno then

If Inno’s wrists had exploded when he was at his absolute peak vs the rest of the scene, he might be thought of as better by some than vs how his career progressed subsequently.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26745 Posts
April 15 2019 14:07 GMT
#703
On April 15 2019 20:45 Jockmcplop wrote:
I think Maru is probably the best player I've seen but Taeja is still my favourite. There was something about the skills he brought that no-one else really had at the time. Also the type of tournament he chose to play in (like those IPL ones that were amazing) probably helped.

Ah, glorious times indeed.

That IPL Team League was insane, still close to the most impressed I’ve ever been watching the game, and hyped. Granted it was unique in that it was a weekender and a team league too, so a team league without so much prep being possibly, kinda interesting.

It’s hard enough to win an individual weekender where BO wins can still be a factor in Bo3s, crushing it in Bo1s that consistently across all 3 matchups was pretty nuts to watch.

Need to rewatch those actually.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
deacon.frost
Profile Joined February 2013
Czech Republic12129 Posts
April 15 2019 14:29 GMT
#704
On April 15 2019 22:51 Wombat_NI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2019 16:21 deacon.frost wrote:
On April 15 2019 11:12 Wombat_NI wrote:
I think some people forget how good Inno got, how quickly and how crazy his peak was after that in GOAT discussions

Career Inno has had peaks and troughs, like all players have. It’s been so long though that it’s hard to put yourself back into that time.

In GOAT discussions I must confess I value absolute peak form in actual play vs peers over longevity in the weighting, or pure tournament wins too.

Peak Inno was absolutely insane, one of his nicknames is ‘the machine’ for a reason for his mechanics relative to the competition.

His TvT was only bad compared to his other matchups, his TvP was amazing and his TvZ for a period was absolutely insane. He brought Brood War style win percentages over to a game thought too volatile to actually be that consistent in winning. Not matches either but sets.

This isn’t meant as a counter to Maru at all, just framing Inno in a certain light or serve as a reminder of quite how far ahead of the field Inno was at one point.

He’s since regressed into the still amazing Inno we see today, who can slump but can win anything on his day, and he’s been there for quite some time. 6 years of Inno as he largely is now makes one view him in a certain light, it’s hard to throw yourself back to 2013 and remember what watching him in that time felt like.


#2: 27 minutes 13 seconds* – 4-0 vs INnoVation, OnGameNet Starleague Semifinals (2013-06-30)

Maru's win percantage over 2018 is similar to Flash's, somebody did the math. Just sayin.

How very dare you bring that memory up. Yes I’m as impressed watching Maru now as I was Inno then

If Inno’s wrists had exploded when he was at his absolute peak vs the rest of the scene, he might be thought of as better by some than vs how his career progressed subsequently.



It's quite interesting to compare these two, Inno is more of wave function, when he dominates he dominates everything but then he's going into a downfall and when he's down there he's really down. While Maru is like a straight line with slight variance(up or down), he's very consistent but never as dominant as Inno was. On the other hand he usually doesn't fall that down as Inno does.

Both have awesome history
I imagine France should be able to take this unless Lilbow is busy practicing for Starcraft III. | KadaverBB is my fairy ban mother.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-15 15:11:52
April 15 2019 15:11 GMT
#705
omg y r ppl still crying. maru = bonjwa goat LEGENDARY GOD STATUS

he has been playing since WOL, and 2018 wasn't the only year he was winning.

mvp is #2 because he won despite his shattered wrists, in fact that would keep him at #1 in my book, for being a massive underdog. each win of his is worth 100 wins of anyone elses. but if we're just going by wins to determine GOAT BONJWAS, then yeah maru is #1.

NO ONE WILL EVER REPLICATE WHAT MARU HAS DONE. in fact the only one who can beat maru's record of 4 x gsl in a row at this point is.... MARU himself. OF COURSE, THERE IS A HUGE ELEMENT OF LUCK INVOLVED. the luck being - will maru have to face Inno, TY or SOS, the only people who could threaten him in a GSL? if not, next season is a wrap as well.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 15 2019 16:00 GMT
#706
On April 16 2019 00:11 fishjie wrote:
NO ONE WILL EVER REPLICATE WHAT MARU HAS DONE. in fact the only one who can beat maru's record of 4 x gsl in a row at this point is.... MARU himself.

cmon man, we all know GSL will be cancelled soon. No need to rub it in tho.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
April 15 2019 22:04 GMT
#707
On April 16 2019 01:00 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 00:11 fishjie wrote:
NO ONE WILL EVER REPLICATE WHAT MARU HAS DONE. in fact the only one who can beat maru's record of 4 x gsl in a row at this point is.... MARU himself.

cmon man, we all know GSL will be cancelled soon. No need to rub it in tho.


even though i agree with you, that's not where i was going with it lol. i mean even if gsl doesn't shut down, no ones gonna do a 4peat like maru, only maru can top that record next season.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26745 Posts
April 15 2019 22:08 GMT
#708
Methinks we need a one stop shop GOAT thread, I personally love the topic but it does seem to crop up in every other thread these days.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Nakajin
Profile Blog Joined September 2014
Canada8989 Posts
April 15 2019 22:45 GMT
#709
On April 16 2019 07:08 Wombat_NI wrote:
Methinks we need a one stop shop GOAT thread, I personally love the topic but it does seem to crop up in every other thread these days.



https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/544242-team-liquid-greatest-of-all-time-contest

I have you cover
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WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland26745 Posts
April 15 2019 23:05 GMT
#710
On April 16 2019 07:45 Nakajin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2019 07:08 Wombat_NI wrote:
Methinks we need a one stop shop GOAT thread, I personally love the topic but it does seem to crop up in every other thread these days.



https://tl.net/forum/sc2-tournaments/544242-team-liquid-greatest-of-all-time-contest

I have you cover

Doing God’s work. Not sure how I missed that, although the real interesting GOAT chat we’ll have to negotiate more of the brackets ofc

It’s been pretty fun to see all these names from SC2’s entire
History come up again.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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