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Xain0n
Profile Joined November 2018
Italy3963 Posts
April 14 2019 10:15 GMT
#561
On April 14 2019 19:05 Morbidius wrote:
Serral fans, this is what a Bonjwa looks like.


As I said yesterday, it's not even close to how a bonjwa should be; two tournaments in seven months? Must be bonjwa..
Maru is evidently the best Code S player in history; surely not bonjwa, most likely not GOAT.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
April 14 2019 10:15 GMT
#562
On April 14 2019 19:13 Penev wrote:
now all GSL needs is a belt


He's got the UWC belt now
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BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-14 10:16:25
April 14 2019 10:15 GMT
#563
On April 14 2019 19:00 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 18:59 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:55 Elentos wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:53 Elentos wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:52 NExt wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:50 Elentos wrote:
Classic should take some lessons on how to play this situation. Obviously you're supposed to recall back and forth between nexus and mothership.


Was that Neeb vs TY?

It was Creator vs TY from last Super Tournament. Creator messed it up eventually like 45 minutes into the game but he had the fundamentals right I think.


creator didn't mess it up

the fact of the matter is that battlecruisers can manhandle their "counters" (tempests)

Yes, Creator messed it up.


he didn't mess up.

in a long game like that u cant do anything against a fleet of bcs with the ir unparalleled value

He was actually winning the game and then split his tempests, ran out of recalls and lost half his army separated, IIRC


was he actually "winning" when he was unable to do significant damage to TY

That's the thing with BCs. they got that damn teleportation + yamato. Creator needed to play flawlessly for an hour while TY could afford a lot more sloppiness because BCs are pound for pound the strongest unit in the game and can beat any "counter" with yamato. there's only like a 2 second difference between yamato and recall

TY also made like 20 marines to massacre teh tempest fleet because while Tempests are specialized, BCs are just all around powerful
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 14 2019 10:16 GMT
#564
Now for Gumiho vs Zest
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4902 Posts
April 14 2019 10:16 GMT
#565
omg is this real life? 4 GSL in a row, Is one of those things so big that is hard to embrace
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
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Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55458 Posts
April 14 2019 10:16 GMT
#566
On April 14 2019 19:11 ilovegroov wrote:
Im afraid this will get worse. There is no new blood in GSL. The cliff of military service / the body performance drop off at ~ 27 years is going to catch up everybody else years before Maru. Maru vs the grandpas who already did military service it will be.

It surely doesn't help that this season Maru's greatest weakness was TvT and all the other Terrans got taken out by other races before they got to Maru.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Anc13nt
Profile Blog Joined October 2017
1557 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-14 10:23:25
April 14 2019 10:17 GMT
#567
On April 14 2019 19:15 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:05 Morbidius wrote:
Serral fans, this is what a Bonjwa looks like.


As I said yesterday, it's not even close to how a bonjwa should be; two tournaments in seven months? Must be bonjwa..
Maru is evidently the best Code S player in history; surely not bonjwa, most likely not GOAT.


I think most people would beg to differ. Even as Inno fan, I think Maru has surpassed Inno at this point. No one else won 6 starleagues along with insane amount of ro4s. Inno can still catch up but it's unlikely tbh. Also, winning 4 out of 4 GSLs is pretty incredible even by BW standards.

Edit: I believe Maru won I think like 5 out of 12 premier tournaments he participated in during 2018. Unless you are comparing to FlaSh, winning 40% the tournaments sounds almost bonjwa level to me. especially since GSL is close to as prestigious as Blizzcon (some would argue that it's even more prestigious). What he's done is certainly close to as impressive as what Jaedong and Savior did in their primes (they won something like half the tournaments too) and those 2 are certainly not far off from bonjwa.
sneakyfox
Profile Joined January 2017
8216 Posts
April 14 2019 10:17 GMT
#568
On April 14 2019 19:16 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Now for Gumiho vs Zest


The connoisseur's choice
"I saw what sneakyfox wrote on TL.net and it made me furious" - PartinG
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
April 14 2019 10:18 GMT
#569
On April 14 2019 19:15 Xain0n wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:05 Morbidius wrote:
Serral fans, this is what a Bonjwa looks like.


As I said yesterday, it's not even close to how a bonjwa should be; two tournaments in seven months? Must be bonjwa..
Maru is evidently the best Code S player in history; surely not bonjwa, most likely not GOAT.

How many premier tournaments there were in these 7 months? 4?
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-14 10:21:11
April 14 2019 10:18 GMT
#570
On April 14 2019 19:15 BerserkSword wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:00 Ej_ wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:59 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:55 Elentos wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:53 Elentos wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:52 NExt wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:50 Elentos wrote:
Classic should take some lessons on how to play this situation. Obviously you're supposed to recall back and forth between nexus and mothership.


Was that Neeb vs TY?

It was Creator vs TY from last Super Tournament. Creator messed it up eventually like 45 minutes into the game but he had the fundamentals right I think.


creator didn't mess it up

the fact of the matter is that battlecruisers can manhandle their "counters" (tempests)

Yes, Creator messed it up.


he didn't mess up.

in a long game like that u cant do anything against a fleet of bcs with the ir unparalleled value

He was actually winning the game and then split his tempests, ran out of recalls and lost half his army separated, IIRC


was he actually "winning" when he was unable to do significant damage to TY

That's the thing with BCs. they got that damn teleportation + yamato. Creator needed to play flawlessly for an hour while TY could afford a lot more sloppiness because BCs are pound for pound the strongest unit in the game and can beat any "counter" with yamato. there's only like a 2 second difference between yamato and recall

TY also made like 20 marines to massacre teh tempest fleet because while Tempests are specialized, BCs are just all around powerful


Creator sort of had the right idea but TY was far ahead in eco iirc, you need to keep pushing forward with safe points that have batteries and cannons till you reach the terran main.

Maru is the GOAT*

* Only because Mvp's wrists literally died before he could be unreachable.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
ilovegroov
Profile Joined January 2015
357 Posts
April 14 2019 10:19 GMT
#571
On April 14 2019 19:16 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:11 ilovegroov wrote:
Im afraid this will get worse. There is no new blood in GSL. The cliff of military service / the body performance drop off at ~ 27 years is going to catch up everybody else years before Maru. Maru vs the grandpas who already did military service it will be.

It surely doesn't help that this season Maru's greatest weakness was TvT and all the other Terrans got taken out by other races before they got to Maru.


when youre too old to spot doom drops that doesn't help either. I also don't feel like Terran is very forgiving to old players.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44064 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-04-14 10:20:14
April 14 2019 10:19 GMT
#572
On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote:
Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.

TY ?

Actually with current flash only last looks close
this is a quote
Morbidius
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil3449 Posts
April 14 2019 10:20 GMT
#573
On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote:
Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.

TY ?

Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap.
Has foreign StarCraft hit rock bottom?
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44064 Posts
April 14 2019 10:21 GMT
#574
On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote:
Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.

TY ?

Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap.

Yeah i've watched that. It looked sad and i even had hopes with Trap due to that.

Then Maru just ran through him

i thought i was talking more in general rather than specific MU
this is a quote
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55458 Posts
April 14 2019 10:21 GMT
#575
On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote:
Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.

TY ?

Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap.

Despite that TY would have come closer to beating Maru than any of the Protoss players did.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Argonauta
Profile Joined July 2016
Spain4902 Posts
April 14 2019 10:22 GMT
#576
On April 14 2019 19:21 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote:
Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.

TY ?

Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap.

Yeah i've watched that. It looked sad and i even had hopes with Trap due to that.

Then Maru just ran through him

i thought i was talking more in general rather than specific MU


well TYTY may be equal at TvT and thats all really
Rogue | Maru | Scarlett | Trap
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55458 Posts
April 14 2019 10:22 GMT
#577
On April 14 2019 19:21 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote:
Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.

TY ?

Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap.

Yeah i've watched that. It looked sad and i even had hopes with Trap due to that.

How? TY vs Trap was such a weak series from both players and Maru played an incredible match vs Dear. Maru vs Trap was hopeless from the start.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
ParksonVN
Profile Joined October 2015
Australia370 Posts
April 14 2019 10:22 GMT
#578
On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote:
Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.


how about Inno, TY or even Gumiho? It's not like they have not won anything recently
IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
April 14 2019 10:23 GMT
#579
On April 14 2019 19:21 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:20 Morbidius wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:19 goody153 wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:15 Anc13nt wrote:
Maru is like Flash except there is no FantaSy-level terran who is near his level atm.

TY ?

Watch TY vs Trap, then Maru vs Trap.

Despite that TY would have come closer to beating Maru than any of the Protoss players did.

I think its because TY is really good mechanically but not nearly as shenanigans-proof as Maru, so they are pretty close skill wise in that regard.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
BerserkSword
Profile Joined December 2018
United States2123 Posts
April 14 2019 10:23 GMT
#580
On April 14 2019 19:18 IshinShishi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2019 19:15 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 14 2019 19:00 Ej_ wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:59 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:55 Elentos wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:54 BerserkSword wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:53 Elentos wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:52 NExt wrote:
On April 14 2019 18:50 Elentos wrote:
Classic should take some lessons on how to play this situation. Obviously you're supposed to recall back and forth between nexus and mothership.


Was that Neeb vs TY?

It was Creator vs TY from last Super Tournament. Creator messed it up eventually like 45 minutes into the game but he had the fundamentals right I think.


creator didn't mess it up

the fact of the matter is that battlecruisers can manhandle their "counters" (tempests)

Yes, Creator messed it up.


he didn't mess up.

in a long game like that u cant do anything against a fleet of bcs with the ir unparalleled value

He was actually winning the game and then split his tempests, ran out of recalls and lost half his army separated, IIRC


was he actually "winning" when he was unable to do significant damage to TY

That's the thing with BCs. they got that damn teleportation + yamato. Creator needed to play flawlessly for an hour while TY could afford a lot more sloppiness because BCs are pound for pound the strongest unit in the game and can beat any "counter" with yamato. there's only like a 2 second difference between yamato and recall

TY also made like 20 marines to massacre teh tempest fleet because while Tempests are specialized, BCs are just all around powerful


Creator sort of had the right idea but TY was far ahead in eco iirc, you need to keep pushing forward with safe points that have batteries and cannons till you reach the terran main.

Maru is the GOAT*

* Only because Mvp's wrists literally died before he could be unreachable.


TY wasnt far ahead in economy. He was constantly behind around 20 workers and multiple bases to creator.

He also recalled to cannon positions.
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