I agree that he certainly seems to be mafia and can get behind a lynch, but how does this confirm him mafia?

Actually...nvm I'm an idiot. A mafia doc should be double-stacking with viva even if claiming a koshi shot for the double kill, unless moosy is mafia.

So at least one of moosy and Vivax must be mafia.

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 11 2018 23:15 GMT

#1662

On March 12 2018 08:13 n00bKing wrote:

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Ohhhh....I just realized they could attack Koshi though. That is effectively the same as holding their shot.

Literally no reason why mafia would do that if they think 3/4 medics are on Koshi and they can get another KP

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 11 2018 23:16 GMT

#1663

On March 12 2018 08:13 n00bKing wrote:

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Ohhhh....I just realized they could attack Koshi though. That is effectively the same as holding their shot.

Also true. So I guess it's not 100% confirmed that df is town, but still seems strange that they'd go for one kill instead of two.

MoosyDoosy

United States4519 Posts

March 11 2018 23:16 GMT

#1664

Alright I'm going to go get food and take a break. I want all of ya'll to know that it was me who sniffed out the bullshit in the fast one Vivax tried to pull though.

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 11 2018 23:16 GMT

#1665

On March 12 2018 08:14 rsoultin wrote:

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1. n00bking and FF committed to saying they were healing Koshi
2. I said the same thing, to bait one of them to switch to Moosy for 2 kp.
3. Neither one of them switched off of Koshi, so unless they're really dumb, Vivax is mafia

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

March 11 2018 23:17 GMT

#1666

On March 12 2018 08:16 MoosyDoosy wrote:
Alright I'm going to go get food and take a break. I want all of ya'll to know that it was me who sniffed out the bullshit in the fast one Vivax tried to pull though.

And it was me that called you town all this time. Never forget.

MoosyDoosy

United States4519 Posts

March 11 2018 23:18 GMT

#1667

Also there were some questions I actually did ask in night phase that went completely unanswered so I'm going to come back and ask them again. But good shit overall boiz.

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 11 2018 23:18 GMT

#1668

Also vivax trying to flail into a rsoultin/df team just feels desperate.

plus my case on vivax from earlier. it just makes sense. I think Vivax was just trying to get town cred for the Koshi flip. He did an about-face for seemingly no reason during the night

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 11 2018 23:19 GMT

#1669

##vote: Vivax

People will have to admit that at least some of my reads were good this game as long as Moosy isn't scum and that's why he didn't die. I like that

Vivax

21733 Posts

March 11 2018 23:19 GMT

#1670

What is this confirmed mafia shit I keep reading about me. There is no such thing as confirmed when it's clearly wrong, So tell me that reasoning so I can walk you to the mistake.

moosy, rso, hf, slam are the remaining vt claims with 1 mafia and you better have a good reason to lynch into medics first.

darthfoley

United States8001 Posts

March 11 2018 23:19 GMT

#1671

I mean people can theorycraft scenarios in which im somehow g0dtier suboptimal mafia but it doesn't make any sense. Mafia NEEDS to use every KP they can get their hands on considering prplhz's flip.

No mafia willing decides to only go for one KP last night imo

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 11 2018 23:22 GMT

#1672

On March 12 2018 08:19 Vivax wrote:
What is this confirmed mafia shit I keep reading about me. There is no such thing as confirmed when it's clearly wrong, So tell me that reasoning so I can walk you to the mistake.

moosy, rso, hf, slam are the remaining vt claims with 1 mafia and you better have a good reason to lynch into medics first.

Then if you're town you should probably come up with how this happens, don't you think?

Holyflare

United Kingdom30774 Posts

March 11 2018 23:23 GMT

#1673

There are actually variables where vivax isn't mafia but his shenanigans at deadline heavily suggest otherwise.

n00bKing

United States1202 Posts

March 11 2018 23:23 GMT

#1674

On March 12 2018 08:16 rsoultin wrote:

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Also true. So I guess it's not 100% confirmed that df is town, but still seems strange that they'd go for one kill instead of two.

I agree, very strange. If flips don't go how we want them to, I'll do some math, and see if a play like that could sow enough confusion to get the mislynches they need without having that kill last night. But it's way outside the box, so not worrying about it for now.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 11 2018 23:25 GMT

#1675

DF claimed to save me before the day phase, which significantly decreases the chances he's mafia making a play. That would have to mean mafia deliberately chose to go for just one kill in koshi.

And if he's scum hoping to skate by to victory off madplayz, he shouldn't be lynching into medics knowing they'll flip town anyway. It's not a scenario I'm going to entertain.

Vivax

21733 Posts

March 11 2018 23:26 GMT

#1676

On March 12 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
There are actually variables where vivax isn't mafia but his shenanigans at deadline heavily suggest otherwise.

Shenanigans? I formed a scumread and tried to kill it.

Explain what the shenanigans are.

rsoultin

Netherlands15308 Posts

March 11 2018 23:26 GMT

#1677

On March 12 2018 08:23 Holyflare wrote:
There are actually variables where vivax isn't mafia but his shenanigans at deadline heavily suggest otherwise.

I agree but frankly I'm not giving Vivax anything more to help him wiggle out. If he's town it's on him to figure it out himself.