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On February 08 2018 00:14 Trfel wrote:
@Conversion, fair enough, I see that.
Personally I'm not a fan of his read progression on rsoultin. Feels like he goes from nothing to serial killer post was exaggerated to I see some of Mocsta's stuff (but the quality/accuracy of the read doesn't make me townread Mocsta) to passive-aggressiveness to not town rsoultin. Feels like following thread sentiment without adding much.
The Mocsta thing really sticks out to me. Did mderg agree with Mocsta's case? It seems like he did, since he was saying that he was seeing it and the biggest reasons he (mderg) is suspicious of rsoultin for are in it. But his own read on Mocsta is that he (Mocsta) is town because of being focused instead of jumping around. Nothing at all to do with Mocsta's suspicions of rsoultin that mderg himself seems to agree with strongly enough to vote.
Does anyone else see that?
@Koshi, I see what you're saying now. I guess I don't expect everyone to solve the game by POE, I know that I don't. Not opposed to the rest of what you're saying though. Thanks for explaining your prplhz/mderg thing earlier, by the way, that really helped. I had missed rsoultin asking for your prplhz read.
rsoultin read progression was something like: didn't like the serial killer post to rsoultin feels passive-aggressive, so doesn't look like town rsoultin.
I guess that's pretty close to thread sentiment but I've never claimed that I didn't sheep.
My townread on Mocsta is largely based on his rsoultin case. I think that says enough.
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On February 08 2018 00:26 Conversion wrote:
Someone (I think DF) also called out how hilarious it was that mderg commented on how he liked Mocsta for kind of knowing where he was going in the game, but also said he had a hard time really understanding his posts..
I think we centralize on prplhz/mderg/rsoul here. I'm leaning more towards prplhz/mderg, but I didn't like rsoultin's latest string of posts either. I will explain that soon.
That point is just semantics, though. Mocsta knowing where he was going was in no way about him making clear and concise posts.
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On February 08 2018 00:53 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 00:14 Trfel wrote:
@Conversion, fair enough, I see that.
Personally I'm not a fan of his read progression on rsoultin. Feels like he goes from nothing to serial killer post was exaggerated to I see some of Mocsta's stuff (but the quality/accuracy of the read doesn't make me townread Mocsta) to passive-aggressiveness to not town rsoultin. Feels like following thread sentiment without adding much.
The Mocsta thing really sticks out to me. Did mderg agree with Mocsta's case? It seems like he did, since he was saying that he was seeing it and the biggest reasons he (mderg) is suspicious of rsoultin for are in it. But his own read on Mocsta is that he (Mocsta) is town because of being focused instead of jumping around. Nothing at all to do with Mocsta's suspicions of rsoultin that mderg himself seems to agree with strongly enough to vote.
Does anyone else see that?
@Koshi, I see what you're saying now. I guess I don't expect everyone to solve the game by POE, I know that I don't. Not opposed to the rest of what you're saying though. Thanks for explaining your prplhz/mderg thing earlier, by the way, that really helped. I had missed rsoultin asking for your prplhz read. rsoultin read progression was something like: didn't like the serial killer post to rsoultin feels passive-aggressive, so doesn't look like town rsoultin. I guess that's pretty close to thread sentiment but I've never claimed that I didn't sheep. My townread on Mocsta is largely based on his rsoultin case. I think that says enough. The last sentence, I don't see that at all in your filter. You've said that your townread on Mocsta is due to staying focused and not jumping around like he did last game as mafia.On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game. I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read. Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch. To me this doesn't say anything about what you think about his case/read on rsoultin itself, it talks about the way he's pushing (focused, with direction vs opportunistic, pushing everyone). Still listening if I am missing something though.
Heading out for class, voting mderg for now. The above seems very inconsistent. Mderg also doesn't seem to care if people are making reads and sharing thoughts that he agrees with; it doesn't affect his read on the person who posted the thoughts at all.
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On February 08 2018 00:31 mderg wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 22:45 Damdred wrote:
Mderg pretend I havent read the game to a deep level,. If what Koshi says isnt true can you give me your sxum reada with a condensed reason for each? rsoultin: Feels like a completely different person than last game. Much less nice and inclusiv, much more aggressive in questioning people. Koshi: Seems like he is just trying to lynch by number of posts. Feels lazy unlike town hero koshi. darthfoley: Scumread on Mocsta for what I consider dumb reasons, omgus on Trfel, rayn and Mocsta and some general "bitchiness"
Mderg, you understand this read on me feels extremely shallow? I made it very obvious why I am lynching into you guys. Very very obvious.
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On February 08 2018 00:58 Trfel wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 00:53 mderg wrote:On February 08 2018 00:14 Trfel wrote:
@Conversion, fair enough, I see that.
Personally I'm not a fan of his read progression on rsoultin. Feels like he goes from nothing to serial killer post was exaggerated to I see some of Mocsta's stuff (but the quality/accuracy of the read doesn't make me townread Mocsta) to passive-aggressiveness to not town rsoultin. Feels like following thread sentiment without adding much.
The Mocsta thing really sticks out to me. Did mderg agree with Mocsta's case? It seems like he did, since he was saying that he was seeing it and the biggest reasons he (mderg) is suspicious of rsoultin for are in it. But his own read on Mocsta is that he (Mocsta) is town because of being focused instead of jumping around. Nothing at all to do with Mocsta's suspicions of rsoultin that mderg himself seems to agree with strongly enough to vote.
Does anyone else see that?
@Koshi, I see what you're saying now. I guess I don't expect everyone to solve the game by POE, I know that I don't. Not opposed to the rest of what you're saying though. Thanks for explaining your prplhz/mderg thing earlier, by the way, that really helped. I had missed rsoultin asking for your prplhz read. rsoultin read progression was something like: didn't like the serial killer post to rsoultin feels passive-aggressive, so doesn't look like town rsoultin. I guess that's pretty close to thread sentiment but I've never claimed that I didn't sheep. My townread on Mocsta is largely based on his rsoultin case. I think that says enough. The last sentence, I don't see that at all in your filter. You've said that your townread on Mocsta is due to staying focused and not jumping around like he did last game as mafia. Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 20:53 mderg wrote:On February 07 2018 08:47 darthfoley wrote:On February 06 2018 20:25 mderg wrote:
Mocsta seems townie based on the fact that he kind of seems to know where he's going this game. I'd really like mderg to expand on this point because tbh I have no idea where Mocsta is going outside of his rsoultin read. Pretty much everything early on revolved around his scumread on rsoultin and his desire to get her lynched. Last game it felt like he latched onto every other case without any focus on who he actually voted or wanted to lynch. To me this doesn't say anything about what you think about his case/read on rsoultin itself, it talks about the way he's pushing (focused, with direction vs opportunistic, pushing everyone). Still listening if I am missing something though. Heading out for class, voting mderg for now. The above seems very inconsistent. Mderg also doesn't seem to care if people are making reads and sharing thoughts that he agrees with; it doesn't affect his read on the person who posted the thoughts at all.
I can actually see why you don't see it in my filter. I didn't really mention that because in my mind it was self explaining but if you're not in my mind it's probably not.
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On February 08 2018 01:06 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2018 00:31 mderg wrote:On February 07 2018 22:45 Damdred wrote:
Mderg pretend I havent read the game to a deep level,. If what Koshi says isnt true can you give me your sxum reada with a condensed reason for each? rsoultin: Feels like a completely different person than last game. Much less nice and inclusiv, much more aggressive in questioning people. Koshi: Seems like he is just trying to lynch by number of posts. Feels lazy unlike town hero koshi. darthfoley: Scumread on Mocsta for what I consider dumb reasons, omgus on Trfel, rayn and Mocsta and some general "bitchiness" Mderg, you understand this read on me feels extremely shallow? I made it very obvious why I am lynching into you guys. Very very obvious.
Apart from not really being in the game I didn't see any obvious reasons
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I wrote a big post on what I didn't like with rsoultin's post here:
On February 07 2018 22:16 rsoultin wrote:Pending on you, koshi. It skeeves me out a little that you're focused on lynchbait and right on my alignment where most everyone else is wrong. I know you've picked your scum game up recently. But I can see where you're coming from on your prp lynch and it really comes down to whether or not 1) I agree that all the active people are more likely town or at least have a decent shot at it or 2) that it makes sense for you to think that. Also, could you explain this? I think you said it was about df and why rayn scumreads him, but I'm not following at all: Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Why did you say that though? It sounds a bit weird. Mayne cuz I am not a native speaker but still..
I believe your arguments are wrong
That sounds so icky.
but I lost it in refreshing the thread maybe? I am sad.
The point was summed up to be she was at earlier day thinking I was scum for missing posts that could have been met with more scrutiny in filters/reading the thread, and even repeated saying that it was not great behavior (although NAI), and then proceeded to do it with Koshi.
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Mderg, what do you think about rsoultin's points on darthfoley?
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On February 07 2018 22:49 rsoultin wrote:
There are glimmers of something in mderg's filter until the list post, which is mostly nulullllullululull.
I think the problem here is when I originally saw koshi's post on mderg's list post I was typing up a post to the effect of there's a lot of nulls which isn't the same as a lot of scumreads, but realized that I didn't disagree with Koshi's conclusion so there was no real need to correct him on that. So in my head I'd already commented when I hadn't actually already commented.
The irony is you said essentially the same thing as I did about his list post with way more words.
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On February 08 2018 01:18 Conversion wrote:I wrote a big post on what I didn't like with rsoultin's post here: Show nested quote +On February 07 2018 22:16 rsoultin wrote:Pending on you, koshi. It skeeves me out a little that you're focused on lynchbait and right on my alignment where most everyone else is wrong. I know you've picked your scum game up recently. But I can see where you're coming from on your prp lynch and it really comes down to whether or not 1) I agree that all the active people are more likely town or at least have a decent shot at it or 2) that it makes sense for you to think that. Also, could you explain this? I think you said it was about df and why rayn scumreads him, but I'm not following at all: On February 07 2018 20:10 Koshi wrote:
Why did you say that though? It sounds a bit weird. Mayne cuz I am not a native speaker but still..
I believe your arguments are wrong
That sounds so icky. but I lost it in refreshing the thread maybe? I am sad. The point was summed up to be she was at earlier day thinking I was scum for missing posts that could have been met with more scrutiny in filters/reading the thread, and even repeated saying that it was not great behavior (although NAI), and then proceeded to do it with Koshi.
I know, ironic, isn't it? lol
To be fair, he posted that after another post that really wasn't talking about it so I got confused how they were related, but I see no point in talking about it anymore. Apparently I'm an awful baddy for not realizing he wasn't responding to darth foley's most recent post, but the one before. Whatevs.
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As for the truffle read, it's just that he used to have a tendency to focus on tangibles more than intangibles. By that I mean inconsistencies between actions and words, or words and words, kind of like he's still doing throughout the game. So it's actually unusual (but only weakly so given this is a years' old meta read as both he and I have said) that someone posting about intangibles about how I feel within the game vs how I feel within other games would be that convincing to him. Townreading you for it is completely within expectations and he should anyway because he's awesome like me except when I'm not.
@Truffle, that's because Conversion wasn't my main scumread when I was voting ritoky. You have the timing off, perhaps because I poorly communicated it.
I was talking about the point in the game when I posted the below post:
On February 06 2018 18:48 rsoultin wrote:
I think I want to lynch into conv/rit/mderg today.
Not sure on mocsta...it's hard to tell with someone tunneled on you.
Rayn and truffle are town.
DF...I'm not sure. I see the issue truffle has with him, and it's part of why I'm reading truffle town, but I still think that tonally DF is kinda towny. Relaxed. Also, it doesn't really look like last game where he was scum.
What bugs me about ritoky most is he seems to have a decently strong reason to scumread conversion but isn't pursuing it. If conv ends up being scum, he probably is, too. Actually, he's probably scum anyway. I really don't get the focus on koshi over people who are actually scummy to him.
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On February 08 2018 01:37 Trfel wrote:
Mderg, what do you think about rsoultin's points on darthfoley?
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##Unvote
##Vote: mderg
Both wagons like fine as I think mafia lies within Rels/Damdred/mderg/prplhz and HF.
So congratz to the ones who get their lynch.
I would never lynch rsoultin today. Way too much value that gets lost if she is town. Wayyyy too much value. Only lynch rsoultin if you believe you will be able to read mderg better as this game progresses or have a townread on him.
I also still haven't read a decent case on why rsoultin is mafia. The best points I saw were meta related. All the rest is not that brilliant.
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It's not that I am certain mderg is mafia. But in my opinion he is not solving the game as a townie would.
What did he achieve today, is he closer to figuring out this puzzle, has he ever gave you the feeling he is closing down on mafia? And if he didn't, is he at least trying to clear some townies so his PoE pool gets smaller?
Which waves did he make, did he piss someone off by poking and prodding?
Did he help town develop reads? Was a a value to town? Did somebody ever had a "aha that's a good point moment"
Like... I am not sure he is mafia. But he didn't try hard enough and when we aren't 100% sure on day 1. Lynch question marks. Don't lynch easy to read players who deliver shittons of content.
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On February 08 2018 02:45 Koshi wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote: mderg
Both wagons like fine as I think mafia lies within Rels/Damdred/mderg/prplhz and HF.
So congratz to the ones who get their lynch.
I would never lynch rsoultin today. Way too much value that gets lost if she is town. Wayyyy too much value. Only lynch rsoultin if you believe you will be able to read mderg better as this game progresses or have a townread on him.
I also still haven't read a decent case on why rsoultin is mafia. The best points I saw were meta related. All the rest is not that brilliant.
<3! Not game-related, but warm fuzzies are always nice.
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I don't see a stark difference between mderg between this game and last game, to be honest. Besides his list posts, but even then it's just put more formatting/words in versus not.
On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum
is this list post from Newbie.
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Thanks rsoultin for your clarification on Truffle's play. Appreciate content like that even if you aren't obligated to answer me.
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On February 08 2018 02:58 Conversion wrote:I don't see a stark difference between mderg between this game and last game, to be honest. Besides his list posts, but even then it's just put more formatting/words in versus not. Show nested quote +On January 19 2018 18:50 mderg wrote:
Trying to shortly summarize my thoughts on everyone
Twat: probably town
kmatt: no idea
Damerion: don't like his tunneling on damdred, could be scum
btdt: no idea
Mocsta: probably town, conversation with rsoultin looks like town on town argument
Rels: just latches onto the damdred wagon and his work is done
rsoultin: probably town
df: meh
damdred: leaning town
prplhz: no idea
Kelsier: leaning towads town very slightly
Holyflare: I would expect more from town hf but I always have him as scum is this list post from Newbie.
Expanding upon this post, it is entirely possible that mderg and rsoultin is a TvT lynch. Which sucks. If I were to follow Koshi's logic, I should most likely lynch mderg over rsoultin because I think I have the ability to read her more than him. However, I'm not sold on that because I'm not great at reading people.
Hmm. I have a meeting until an hour before deadline. Will be back by then.
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Day One Vote Count
mderg (5):: Koshi, ritoky, Mocsta, rsoultin, trfel, Koshi
rsoultin (4): Mocsta, Conversion, Trfel, darthfoley, mderg, raynpelikoneet, raynpelikoneet
Koshi (1): Holyflare, Trfel
prplhz (0):: Koshi
Conversion (0): rsoultin
Holyflare (0): mderg
ritoky (0): rsoultin
darthfoley (0): raynpelikoneet
Not Voting (3): Damdred, Rels, prplhz
rsoultin is currently the designated lynch.
The deadline is Wednesday, Feb 07 8:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in .
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