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On December 07 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote: like ghosts dont know whos town or mafia. its the ghosts way to give reads as well. say they save me here and im not the kill it would mean marv town reads me
Yeah, it's just that I was wondering if vengeful spirits could have an extra kp
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I'm confused... where did this push on me come from? I was pretty sure that everyone (except for Onegu I guess, lol) had figured out that I was town.
People were talking about the shenanigans at the end of the last day, which I thought I pretty clearly explained. With shenannies onto OO, we get to lynch scott+OO+2 other people. Without shenannies, we only can lynch scott+2 others. Doing shenannies gives us an extra mislynch to work with. It is a 100% pro-town move. You can argue that I would do it as mafia, but it was a completely pro-town move from any perspective. No argument. It does nothing other than give town an extra lynch to work with.
(I would say that as mafia, trying to push the shenannies like I was doing would be absolutely stupid because if ANYONE else happened to show up and follow through with the shenannies, I've forced myself to push THREE mislynches instead of TWO, when I could have just kept my mouth shut and done nothing. And mafia don't actually try to give town an extra lynch for "town cred" that doesn't actually exist. But anyway.)
On December 06 2015 11:41 Koshi wrote: It's fucking Chrom. OMG. I reread his filter and everything he said about fefe.... It just clicks together. Fucking piece of shit Onegu not playing pisses me off so much. Still want to lynch him just because I don't want to lose vs Onegu at all. And he already pulled the solo mafia victory once.
So I am ok with lynching chrom and Onegu.
DON'T BE FUCKING TARDS AND LYNCH OO, GB unless you got some insane good reasons. Look at the filters. Look at the fucking filters. What would you like me to explain about what I said about FF? I thought he was town early in the game, but other people were way townier than him and he stopped playing the game which was super inconsistent with his projected attitude. This was one of the things we agreed on earlier?
What about OO and FF's interactions do you not think could be mafia-mafia? I haven't looked at it yet but I'll make sure to check that and GB.
On December 06 2015 22:23 Koshi wrote: And he can actually remember his scumreads, and asks others on how to proceed and try to lynch mafia, not like here in which he forgets his scumreads, and then votes with his scumreads on a person he never thought was scummy. I really don't know what this is talking about. What do you mean?
I really do think that if you look at my overall play this game, I've been very town (which people were agreeing on until somehow everyone simultaneously went crazy). I've been putting my thoughts out there, I've been discussing ideas with people while everyone has just afk'd, I've been clearly trying to figure out this game. I really don't know what pushed people to randomly flip on me, but I think people need to take a step back and look at my overall play this game.
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Right now (not taking account of specific interactions with FF that I haven't checked out yet), my two lynches would be Onegu and OO. Not because I think GB is particularly townie, but I think there are solid points against these two.
I've talked about OO quite a lot this game so you can find a lot of reasons for this in my filter. I think the point I made last night about how his attitude is inconsistent with his actions is pretty strong (he posts occasional things that make it look like he's thinking about the game, but then he afk votes his top townread chrom all day?).
Add to that that he has a still unexplained read flip on me from mafia to top town for absolutely no reason, and now back to mafia. Here's his progression on me from top town to "can we please lynch chrom and end the game?"
On December 06 2015 07:33 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 07:19 sicklucker wrote: we have a 4-3 vote with 2 mafia making it 4 over 3. if you take out the mafia its 2-3 for oo. like this is concrete evidence if I have ever seen it, 00 is the best lynch i'm sorry that you're going to have to wait 72 hours to be disappointed by my lynch let's pretend i'm dead and talk about who's going to die when i flip town i still feel like chrom tunneled me like a dog with a bone for something pretty silly to start with. i haven't even bothered to defend what i wrote because it felt right in the moment trying to figure out wtf you were doing at the start of the game. that silly action on my part resulted in a longer and longer tunnel on me where he was just looking for things that would make me mafia and not reflect any potential town way of thinking. tt on the other hand has waffled so many times regarding whether or not he wanted to lynch me and his silly action at the start of the game led to tunnels on him that he dispelled somewhat gb i have the least to say about because nothing that i can recall off the top of my head gives me anything to doubt he's town. i could look at votes if i get the motivation and do another once-over of the filter. somewhere within the game i'm sure there's been someone advocating more for lynching onegu than for scott, if someone remembers or finds that post it might be a good nugget. This is something that happened on day 1. How can he flip his read on me for that when he already said that I'm almost top town after that already happened? I think this makes a lot of sense from mafia who realize that I'm suddenly a possible mislynch and try to hop on for a bad reason.
Plus, two flipped mafia voted on Sno over OO, I've talked about how that is a point against him already.
Onegu could completely be mafia at this point, he hasn't done anything other than say that I'm mafia for giving him the "heebie jeebies". He's wasted his vote every day, which would make sense in a world where every set of competing wagons was town-town. The theory that FF gave up because he was frustrated with Onegu and scott not playing is pretty plausible too. You can call it policy if you want but I sincerely don't think there's any way to reasonably conclude that Onegu is town and I'm not willing to gamble the game on it.
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On December 07 2015 11:34 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2015 08:21 sicklucker wrote: like ghosts dont know whos town or mafia. its the ghosts way to give reads as well. say they save me here and im not the kill it would mean marv town reads me Yeah, it's just that I was wondering if vengeful spirits could have an extra kp
vengeful spirits are not mafia there the towns we lynch aka vivax. we know this because he existed after vivax was lynched and not after a mafia was
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like we have to kill oo i dont care im not voting the guy two mafia voted to save it makes no sense. the lynches are oo+1 probably gb
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It's been a super long day for me today, so I'll look closer at FF's filter for those interactions with GB and OO later. Not too sure on whether OO or Onegu would be better first, I think OO has done more scummy stuff but is slightly more likely to do something to change my mind.
If anyone has questions for me, please leave them and I'll answer them. We have a really good shot at winning the game here, please please don't throw it away on some tinfoil paranoia.
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idc what koshi found tbh gb is not town here and if he is lol this game
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marv show us who to vote baby
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I'll look at what you + TT have been saying about GB too, SL because I'm not sold on him as town at all. I just have a super hard time justifying lynching him over Onegu this game
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Chromatically
Can you read fefe his filter and tell me why OO is mafia? GB, and OO look pretty good from that.
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On December 07 2015 04:12 Tictock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 10:20 Koshi wrote: If Chrome is fucking mafia. Imagine how good I fucking was D1 again. I am really warming up to lynch Onegu --> Chrome. Just because the fefe filter.
fefe talks to OO like he does to other townies. Interaction with GB abput scott is odd, especially if they are all 3 mafia. Really unseen. fefe didn't vote Vivax when TT was on the block.
While on the other hand: -waffles on scott, defended him once, said he could be mafia a lot. -ignores Onegu totally while having a fixation on the afkers -has a boner for people who think Chrome is mafia (both Koshi and OO) I'm on board with most of what you'r talking about here Koshi, but I think you're jumping to conclusions a bit easily. Besides that one interaction with GB there was almost no mention of GB in FF's filter. GB did defend FF fairly hard regarding the smurf stuff early on (mostly kus he pushed anyone who thought it was scummy). Neither of them really made a read on the other nor interacted before the stuff you're talking about. The Chrom stuff is super weak and I think your jumping on it more because of Show nested quote +On December 06 2015 10:20 Koshi wrote: If Chrome is fucking mafia. Imagine how good I fucking was D1 again. Than FF's filter. Whats convincing you that FF isn't just fence sitting regarding OO vs Chrom? Kus to me he goes back and forth on both of them like he doesn't really care if either get lynched. I like TT. He is a pretty cool guy.
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So I will back off from Chrom and reread stuff. GB... hmm. It is possible. I guess.
GB/OO need a good scrubbing. Onegu still cancer.
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##vote: GlowingBear
So marv/TT can vote if they want. I don't know if they can switch their votes but w.e. GB has been extremely lackluster after D1. And I really don't have anything else than that mafia on mafia about 3rd mafia thig that is not enough tbh.
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I also want to point out that mafia can hold their shot. So if the message always pops up it could be that mafia hold their shot to look good. Basically only I could have taken that gamble so far but still. Good to know
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I honestly don't see who would shoot TT except OO/GB.
Chrom/Onegu: Could you tell me how you perceived TT this game? If you read his posts, what did you think? In general.
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I would call GB his EoD1 townie. But he kinda oversold it during the night. imo that wasn't townie. His dumb argument yesterday about him not being mafia I kinda ignored but it was kinda horrible.
Ugh having to believe somebody as TT above my own reads is annoying. :/
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Onegu isn't smart enough to kill TT.
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I was pushing GB pretty hard the night I got shot. Well. I had him on spot 2 for a long time.
Dnu. The thing after nk with GB going "WTF" was also GB biting his tongue. Didn't really try to explain it. Just holding back and looked afraid to say something "wrong".
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Why did GB vote himself for a second? I must have missed that and I can't read filters.............................. oh well.
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