Germanwings Airbus crashed in French Alps - Page 7
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Silvanel
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plgElwood
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SixStrings
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Which makes me think this could have just been a murder-suicide. Or maybe he just had some kind of stroke and was physically unable to open the door. I don't know what kind of evidence they have for saying it was deliberate, though. On March 26 2015 21:39 Silvanel wrote: Well, given the 9/11 success if think terroist would try to hit somethink with the plane. So we can rule that out. Unless of course You think that was act of terror French got wind of it and shoot the plane down, but thats tinfoil stuff. Not necessarily. Co-pilot intends to run airplane into a city, pilot takes a leak, co-pilot thinks: Okay, it's now or never, killing 150 infidels beats killing zero, he locks out co-pilot and flys plane into the ground. | ||
Drake
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pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On March 26 2015 21:45 SixStrings wrote: I'm really surpised no Muslim terror group has taken credit for this yet. When first they reported that the pilot had been locked out of his cabin, I assumed that the co-pilot was a terrorist who managed to lock him out, but knew that he had to act quickly before someone would eventually break open the door or remote controls would set it. Which makes me think this could have just been a murder-suicide. Or maybe he just had some kind of stroke and was physically unable to open the door. I don't know what kind of evidence they have for saying it was deliberate, though. Summary of prosecutor's press conference Here are the main points of the press conference held by the Marseille public prosecutor, Brice Robin. The co-pilot of the Germanwings jet that crashed in the French Alps deliberately forced the plane into the descent that led to the disaster, the prosecutor said. He pressed a button that accelerated the Airbus A320’s descent when alone in the cockpit. “It was a voluntary action,” Robin said. The co-pilot - named by the prosecutor as Andreas Lubitz, 28, a German citizen, was alone because the pilot had gone to the toilet. When he returned, the co-pilot refused to open the door. “The intention was to destroy this plane,” he said. Lubitz was breathing normally at the point of impact, the prosecutor reveals. He said nothing during the final descent, which lasted about 10 minutes. “Absolute silence inside the cockpit. Nothing, no word during the last 10 minutes.” There was no indication that Lubitz’s actions amounted to terrorism, Robin said. But he stopped short of declaring it suicide, saying only that was a “legitimate” question to ask. Cries could be heard just before the impact, the prosecutor said. “The death would have been sudden, immediate.” Air traffic controllers attempted to contract the plane in the last few minutes before the crash but received no reply from the cockpit. Robin said he had briefed the families of the dead. Source Perhaps inform yourself first before speculating.. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
sry my brain is unable to accept such morons exist on this world | ||
plgElwood
Germany518 Posts
(The door can not be opened with fireaxe or the service-trolley or anything aboard), but now 2 suicidal Pilots took around 180 people with them to death because they could lock themselves in the cockpit So the overreaction to the singular event of 9/11 has not only caused Millions paid for reinforced doors, but also cost life. | ||
Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8817 Posts
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Evidence from the voice recorder, I know the breathing was mentioned but apparently as soon as the pilot left it seems like the seat moving backwards and the door closing were the dead giveaways. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-32063587 | ||
Grettin
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On March 26 2015 21:36 HolydaKing wrote: I wonder if that pilot was some kind of terrorist who smuggled on board (or something else like that) like you would see it in movies. Perhaps it was just suicide though. Still a pretty horrible way to commit suicide. Way common than people think. I wish i remembered the documentary or an article about this.. | ||
GreenHorizons
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SixStrings
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom8817 Posts
On March 26 2015 21:53 GreenHorizons wrote: Considering none of the reports mentioned the Captain actually punching in the code or the alarm from it going off there's a good chance the guy passed out. Which considering the typical hours these guys work (at least in the US) would be the more logical explanation. Provided there is a way to explain the descent. Like passing out onto the stick or something from exhaustion. It wasn't a flight stick, it was a button that needed to be pressed. They said that they are sure he did it on purpose, which suggests to me that it it would be an utterly extraordinary coincidence if it was an accident due to him passing out. | ||
Dingodile
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On March 26 2015 21:43 plgElwood wrote: Did the security doors actually prevented hijacking since 2001? That plane is from 1991 and nobody knows which security door is in it. | ||
Silvanel
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TheNewEra
Germany3128 Posts
On March 26 2015 21:36 HolydaKing wrote: I wonder if that pilot was some kind of terrorist who smuggled on board (or something else like that) like you would see it in movies. Perhaps it was just suicide though. Still a pretty horrible way to commit suicide. Probably a fucking coward who really wanted to go sure, that he dies and that he doesn't have to feel anything while dieing. | ||
SixStrings
Germany2046 Posts
On March 26 2015 21:51 plgElwood wrote: Apperantly there is has not yet been an attempt on hijacking a plane since 9/11 that was prevented by unbreachable door. (The door can not be opened with fireaxe or the service-trolley or anything aboard), but now 2 suicidal Pilots took around 180 people with them to death because they could lock themselves in the cockpit So the overreaction to the singular event of 9/11 has not only caused Millions paid for reinforced doors, but also cost life. It has caused the loss of civil liberties of about a billion people. The patriot act, that passed through congress largely unread by the way, is a far bigger win for terrorism than a couple of hundred lives. | ||
Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On March 26 2015 21:53 GreenHorizons wrote: Considering none of the reports mentioned the Captain actually punching in the code or the alarm from it going off there's a good chance the guy passed out. Which considering the typical hours these guys work (at least in the US) would be the more logical explanation. Provided there is a way to explain the descent. Like passing out onto the stick or something from exhaustion. sadly thats not possible first to go to a "dive"? you no need to push a button you have to turn a big switch etc so it cant be done by accident. also the pilot can go back to the cabin with a passcode into the door. the only reason he could not go back with his pascode was, when the co pilot locked the door from the inside vs any breaking so he not wanted the pilot to get in ... so the voice recorder shows the people scream seconds before the impact so they vs shortly knew whats coming, but how must the pilot feel ? hammering vs the door trying to break it, KNOWING he cant, but still trying until the end ... must be hard for a 6000+h flight veteran On March 26 2015 21:51 plgElwood wrote: Apperantly there is has not yet been an attempt on hijacking a plane since 9/11 that was prevented by unbreachable door. (The door can not be opened with fireaxe or the service-trolley or anything aboard), but now 2 suicidal Pilots took around 180 people with them to death because they could lock themselves in the cockpit So the overreaction to the singular event of 9/11 has not only caused Millions paid for reinforced doors, but also cost life. hearing the pilot trying breaking the door (even he knows he cant break it) seems pretty much the pilot was 120% NOT suicidial ... it seems it was a 1 man thing (also it was exactly 150 people) | ||
pretender58
Germany713 Posts
On March 26 2015 21:54 SixStrings wrote: Not sure what you're trying to say. What does 'breathing normally' mean? Do you breath differently when you're unconscious? Does being unconscious lead to a more discernable change in breathing patterns than staring into the face of death does? Legitimate question, no sarcasm. A little help for you: The co-pilot of the Germanwings jet that crashed in the French Alps deliberately forced the plane into the descent that led to the disaster, the prosecutor said. He pressed a button that accelerated the Airbus A320’s descent when alone in the cockpit. “It was a voluntary action,” Robin said. | ||
TurboMaN
Germany925 Posts
On March 26 2015 21:51 plgElwood wrote: Apperantly there is has not yet been an attempt on hijacking a plane since 9/11 that was prevented by unbreachable door. (The door can not be opened with fireaxe or the service-trolley or anything aboard), but now 2 suicidal Pilots took around 180 people with them to death because they could lock themselves in the cockpit So the overreaction to the singular event of 9/11 has not only caused Millions paid for reinforced doors, but also cost life. Wait, at the moment it seems to be ONE suicide co-pilot, the experienced pilot was trying to get back into the cockpit. | ||
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