Imperial Mafia - Page 33

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:40 GMT

#641

On January 01 2015 03:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Doctor what do you think about the people who were supporting your case?

I skimmed a lot of posts in this thread because I am currently only concerned about tunneling TheChyz. I'll read all that stuff later when I'm ready to think about it.

TheChyz

Canada238 Posts

December 31 2014 18:41 GMT

#642

On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica

I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read...
And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.

justanothertownie

16309 Posts

December 31 2014 18:41 GMT

#643

On January 01 2015 03:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Look. This is @JAT

Anyone can come in halfway through Day 1 and point out a bunch of people who aren't committed to anything. It takes a long time for people to get entrenched and confident in their reads and it's a VERY easy time for mafia to come in and either FoS or vote for anybody on those grounds. The fact that he chose to do that on a player (eden) who didn't fit his stated reasoning (eden wasn't being defensive or noncommittal or any of those things) is very strange. If he said that about somebody else and it were true I wouldn't have been very interested at all and would agree, like he said, that it was just the best thing he had going. But the reasons were fake. His behavior since has been just as wishy washy and bad, calling me a filter spammer and not addressing anything. Not doing anything to LazerMonkey even when Marv threw his support behind that. Uses the same one size fits all Day 1 case for LazerMonkey as he used for his eden read, everything this guy is doing is setting off red flags for me left and right. Could be a youngminii situation but mafia is about taking risks. I won't be right 100% of the time but even if TheChyz is newb town scum is sweating if they know I'm willing to tunnel like this.

Fine then we just have to agree to disagree. Coming in and calling someone out for something that he supposedly didn't do is something I see town players do way more often than scummers.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:41 GMT

#644

On January 01 2015 03:40 sicklucker wrote:
Actually thats not true he did really have one but he was begging in scum qt to fake one so he was still pretty agro. Still did dumb things like to claim it knowing there was a rber that a town would never do.

I don't understand what you're saying but it seems like it could be useful, can you clarify it or put it in context with some of ritokys posts?

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

December 31 2014 18:41 GMT

#645

On January 01 2015 03:36 sicklucker wrote:

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Like this is so true and why I voted him. In carol he claimed a present just to claim one which was a huge reason as to how I figured out his alignment and his mafia team. It was stupid then and hes being pretty stupid now

So was rikoty scum in that game? And does he not post that way in other games? Because in general, I'd say being super aggressive and tunneling the shit out of people without any reason is more likely to come from town than it is to come from scum.

And even then, I feel meh about voting someone ONLY because of meta.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:42 GMT

#646

On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:

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I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read...
And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.

Cherrypicking. You were tilting in the thread about how I didn't vote yet. No one was gonna vote with you so now it's all just bullshit and you were actually fine with me the whole time? No.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

December 31 2014 18:43 GMT

#647

On January 01 2015 03:24 Koshi wrote:

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On January 01 2015 02:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TheChyz is mafia

The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context.

On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.

This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.

On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote:
Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way.

dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point.

Let's sum up the Eden read:
1. Eden is my largest scum read.
2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly.
4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully.

Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia?

On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote:
in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't.

##VOTE: TheChyz

This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is
1. Defensive
2. Not jumping on anyone
3. Too cautious

This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him.

On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote:
He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean.

1. Everyone is suspicious
2. I am suspicious
3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right.

I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter!

I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself.

On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote:
I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it?

With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant.

1. Eden is my largest scumread.
2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up)
4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful.
5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right.
6. I have no reason to vote for Eden.
7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote.
8. Eden is the least towny of all the players.

And then:

On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica

Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it

Everyone read this again. Thechyz has yet to contribute a thought out read or try scumhunting. All his votes are jist omgus and hes still telling people he suspects them basically for not scumhunting or having strong reads. It doesn't get much worse. There is no reason we should not lynch thechyz day 1.

Nothing in this post makes him obviously scum.

If thechyz is town in this game you can write my tl sig. It's barely even about hypocrisy. Its about the foundation of his read....its fabricated obvioisly because eden was basically the only.player to make real accusations or do much up to thst point. Earlier he doesnt think it important enough to even offer his "largest scumread" when he can just lurk and tell.other players how they arent being useful

I am the biggest believer in Chyz his innocence. I should get the honors.

You should answer my questions/posts then please, because I don't see it.

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On January 01 2015 02:46 Eden1892 wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:

On January 01 2015 02:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:

This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.

Nothing in this post makes him obviously scum.

Earlier he doesnt think it important enough to even offer his "largest scumread" when he can just lurk and tell.other players how they arent being useful

this is a really good point that should make anyone saying "Chyz is town for trying to stop a stupid argument" think. If you believe his story then, he would have been sitting on a point no one else had made up until then. If you're a townie looking to move discussion away from what you feel is a bad line of discussion and you have a unique top suspect, why wouldn't you post that in the same post and why would it take someone else pushing you to do something to say it?

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DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 18:46 GMT

#648

Marv i think the thing with ritoky was a youngminii situation. He got pissed off when i made fun of his questions and dismissed him which just made him more sure of his misunderstanding. I'll read his carol posts today though.

TheChyz

Canada238 Posts

December 31 2014 18:52 GMT

#649

I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

December 31 2014 18:57 GMT

#650

I dislike Koshi this far. Not only does his reads seem pretty off but he doesn't push geript one single bit, despite the fact that he is voting greipt. If you are town and think someone is scum but noone else is voting that person, you push that person. Koshi is not doing that.

I have to go now, will be able to post more tomorrow.

Lazermonkey

Sweden2176 Posts

December 31 2014 18:58 GMT

#651

Ninjad by Chyz!

sicklucker

Canada16986 Posts

December 31 2014 18:59 GMT

#652

On January 01 2015 02:22 geript wrote:
@Artanis. What do you think of sicklucker, Eden and Kelsier? I think those are the best overall flips. Ritoky could maybe be tossed in there too.
Do you disagree with the following: Artanis, DrH, Chyz, Damdred I feel like I'm forgetting someone from this list but oh well.

Like thats possibly 3 towns.. Wheres that meta case on me you promised.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

December 31 2014 19:00 GMT

#653

On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.

I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right?

It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense.

I feel better about Chyz for this post

Damdred

15669 Posts

December 31 2014 19:13 GMT

#654

@sl I'm not understanding what ritoky claiming his present has to do with this

geript

10024 Posts

December 31 2014 19:13 GMT

#655

On January 01 2015 03:59 sicklucker wrote:

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Like thats possibly 3 towns.. Wheres that meta case on me you promised.

I didn't promise a case. I just planned to meta you at some point today. I'll probably run to the store and grab some beers and maybe do it tonight.

sicklucker

Canada16986 Posts

December 31 2014 19:31 GMT

#656

On January 01 2015 04:13 Damdred wrote:
@sl I'm not understanding what ritoky claiming his present has to do with this

Its him being agro did you not read the scum qt that game where he said "GUYS IM GONNA CLAIM A PRESENT AND OWN THESE SUCKERS". like 5 times.

So like dandred and doctor should probably never be lynched this game. While I disagree with dandreds reads on ritoky because he was aggressive in other ways he is right about what he said. Doctor is pushing this game poorly or not. For some reason my brain blocked out alot of his tunnel but his passion is there.

leaning town on marv and ksc. Like I think I read ksc bad tho he is always a tryhard mafia or town but as both alignments he randomly disappears and gets modkilled or policy lynched. I think he will sort himself out.

I dont like ritoky but if he improves his play I could get off that.

geript. I dont like to change my reads on vets because they often squirm out of playing bad. Wanna go with my gut and kill this man.

DoctorHelvetica

United States15034 Posts

December 31 2014 19:32 GMT

#657

Who gives a shit about your null reads. If you think geript is scum go for the kill now, i expect a full case soon.

sicklucker

Canada16986 Posts

December 31 2014 19:33 GMT

#658

Oh ya I had a small town read on eden too when I ninjaed him alot of that going around apparently.

Eden1892

United States5866 Posts

December 31 2014 19:48 GMT

#659

I reread geript's filter and I don't like it much. Lots of aggressive posturing with his early questions but they never seem to go anywhere. He keeps pinging some vague suspicions of people (admittedly I notice myself most prominently, but it's not just me, seems also to be sicklurker) but never really posting reasons / not following up on discussion of those reasons. Like I haven't seen anything in his filter to explain his sicklurker suspicion and what I have seen to explain his suspicion of me has been asked and answered, with no reply from him, just continued suspicion. It reads like he's trying to see what he can get to stick instead of trying to find answers, y'know?

sicklucker

Canada16986 Posts

December 31 2014 19:53 GMT

#660

Potentially useless fact. Robik and artanis are never on a mafia team together.

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