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DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 20:30 GMT
#681
I've seen and had plenty of good Day 1s. You're just doing the same thing here. It doesn't matter if we both agree on our reads for the most part. I think you're town, you probably think I'm town so let's forget it now. If you want to have an argument about the meta later we can. Because I do not agree and I think posting every read in thread is useless and detrimental to town. What is high and mighty about having a different opinion? I'm not going to be forthcoming with all of my thoughts and reads until I feel I can do something about them. Sorry

I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course.
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 20:31 GMT
#682
On January 01 2015 05:24 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia loves knowing everything u think. Trust me

Town does too. Playing games almost never makes a mafia out himself - it just annoys fellow townies.

it doesn't work because of the way you responded to it
RIP Aaliyah
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 31 2014 20:35 GMT
#683
On January 01 2015 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've seen and had plenty of good Day 1s. You're just doing the same thing here. It doesn't matter if we both agree on our reads for the most part. I think you're town, you probably think I'm town so let's forget it now. If you want to have an argument about the meta later we can. Because I do not agree and I think posting every read in thread is useless and detrimental to town. What is high and mighty about having a different opinion? I'm not going to be forthcoming with all of my thoughts and reads until I feel I can do something about them. Sorry

I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course.

Maybe you are town but I am not sure about that yet and reasoning out your reads could very well help with that. I can't force you though.
Even a short one about marv (for example) would be nice because I seriously don't know how you can have a scumread on him at this point in time.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 31 2014 20:36 GMT
#684
On January 01 2015 05:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 05:24 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 05:20 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Mafia loves knowing everything u think. Trust me

Town does too. Playing games almost never makes a mafia out himself - it just annoys fellow townies.

it doesn't work because of the way you responded to it

Yeah, yeah. Sure.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 20:40 GMT
#685
On January 01 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've seen and had plenty of good Day 1s. You're just doing the same thing here. It doesn't matter if we both agree on our reads for the most part. I think you're town, you probably think I'm town so let's forget it now. If you want to have an argument about the meta later we can. Because I do not agree and I think posting every read in thread is useless and detrimental to town. What is high and mighty about having a different opinion? I'm not going to be forthcoming with all of my thoughts and reads until I feel I can do something about them. Sorry

I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course.

Maybe you are town but I am not sure about that yet and reasoning out your reads could very well help with that. I can't force you though.
Even a short one about marv (for example) would be nice because I seriously don't know how you can have a scumread on him at this point in time.


It's a gut feeling and I just wanted to see how he'd respond. He seems way too passive to me and I think if he was town he'd be a little more aggressive or serious. I need to see a lot more from him before I can say anything that matters.
RIP Aaliyah
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:41 GMT
#686
I'm going to bet that only 2-3 of the scum ahve actually reasonably posted at this point.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 31 2014 20:41 GMT
#687
On January 01 2015 05:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've seen and had plenty of good Day 1s. You're just doing the same thing here. It doesn't matter if we both agree on our reads for the most part. I think you're town, you probably think I'm town so let's forget it now. If you want to have an argument about the meta later we can. Because I do not agree and I think posting every read in thread is useless and detrimental to town. What is high and mighty about having a different opinion? I'm not going to be forthcoming with all of my thoughts and reads until I feel I can do something about them. Sorry

I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course.

Maybe you are town but I am not sure about that yet and reasoning out your reads could very well help with that. I can't force you though.
Even a short one about marv (for example) would be nice because I seriously don't know how you can have a scumread on him at this point in time.


It's a gut feeling and I just wanted to see how he'd respond. He seems way too passive to me and I think if he was town he'd be a little more aggressive or serious. I need to see a lot more from him before I can say anything that matters.

Fine. Just keep in mind that being serious is definitely no towntell for him. If he keeps being passive we will lynch him day1 anyways. Like we did last game.
IAmRobik
Profile Joined January 2014
United States5878 Posts
December 31 2014 20:42 GMT
#688
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 31 2014 20:43 GMT
#689
On January 01 2015 05:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching?

I am still up for ritoky or lazermonkey. Those aren't strong reads though.
I would much rather do a POE list but so many people haven't posted yet...
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:44 GMT
#690
On January 01 2015 05:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching?

Lots of people seem to think that I'm the lynch. Kinda scary because I doubt many people will actually ahve read the thread by the end of the day or half of it and most of the vets seem to be on that train. But meh. I really dgaf about that. People are just historically bad at reading me correctly.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 31 2014 20:44 GMT
#691
Maybe geript.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
December 31 2014 20:45 GMT
#692
Geript you asked me about 3 people earlier, one of them was sicklucker then you never really got back to the post after I mentioned he escaped me. Was there anything about him that you found of note? I'm scrolling through his filter and it's not bad.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:49 GMT
#693
On January 01 2015 05:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Geript you asked me about 3 people earlier, one of them was sicklucker then you never really got back to the post after I mentioned he escaped me. Was there anything about him that you found of note? I'm scrolling through his filter and it's not bad.

I find how much he holds onto the expected meta case a bit weird and wasn't sure what to think of it. That and I don't feel like spending an hour to read 4 other games when he only has a 2 page filter. Plus I don't want to go back and have to figure out his usual post count and content per day.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 20:49 GMT
#694
TheChyz

On January 01 2015 03:16 TheChyz wrote:
does anybody have a read on lazer? I really feel like all of the posts hes made have very little commitment behind then and its as if he is scared to reach too and just goes for easy already discussed stuff. Also his last 3 "reads" are just a summation of stuff and I congratulate him for being able to read and repeat stuff but nothing at all has come out of him at all.

Even you dr.H, I may be hypocritical to you about lazer, but don't you agree? Or are you just tunneling and trying to prove how wrong you are at the end?


Seeking thread approval. His read is bullshit so he wants to see if someone buys into his reasoning. This is a textbook example of a noncommittal read. Nice way of deflecting at the end too. My argument was 100% at that point about his read on eden being a fabrication. One size fits all argument. His question for me is meaningless because the premise of the question is false. Does anyone have a read on x seems like a weird question after:

On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.

I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.

I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey


This post comes before. He seems quite confident in his read here. Mafia players I think often structure their initial accusations to sound strong and back off more over time. Nothing about Koshi is suspicious to him and he only changes his mind later after quite a few other players put heat on Koshi. He has nothing to say about geript so I don't know why he even included it. Maybe this is one of the useful thoughts all townies should share. Since TheChyz is confident enough to vote for Lazermonkey (something he refused to do for eden who was his largest scumread at the time which he never technically dropped) I went ahead and looked at lazermonkey.

On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone

Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment.

Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.

Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.

##Vote: TheChyz


Good post. Even if he is wrong about Chyz's alignment, he's noticing the right things.

On January 01 2015 00:38 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 15:17 geript wrote:
So you don't find Robik who is normally an exceptionally prolific poster as town posting "Hello?" twice and then fucking off when he got ignored interesting in the slightest?

I think Robik is scummy for this. Obviously, it was at the very start of the game so its not the strongest of reads BUT I know I did a very similar thing in another game, i.e. saying something of absolutely no substance early on in the game to indicative that I was in fact active, and then just afk.

I was scum that game.


Interesting. Chyz's accusations don't quite fit what Lazermonkey was doing here.

" The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right."

First of all Chyz is actually agreeing with the read. His point of suspicion is that LazerMonkey doesn't have any other scumreads he's pushing besides him. What's wrong with that exactly?

On January 01 2015 02:06 TheChyz wrote:
I don't usually pay much attention to people until they actually do something. Ionno, its kinda like ppl policy lynching lurkers and such (since that is kinda what robik is doing). By no means is he town but also saying nothing is not really anything to jump on top of, at least not yet anyway. Usually lurkers lurk by day 1 and if he wants to do that, fine. Doesn't mean he will probably last day 2 if he continues that way.

By entrance I meant more like the first few posts of the game. Ionno, it just felt very similar to the other time I played with him in which he was town. I don't think any of the posts on geript hold any real substance (unless I scimmed through an important one too quickly) and are kinda more like peoples soft reads on him.

Bolded. LazerMonkey didn't jump all over Robik for anything especially since his read was just revealed as a response to geripts question. He focuses his attention on TheChyz for the most part, read LazerMonkey's filter.

On January 01 2015 01:39 Lazermonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 01:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Laazermonkey I have "your" chyz read , can you give some thoughts about other players in the game?

Outside of Robik and Chyz, not too much.

geript I'm a bit torn on. Initially, I thought he was a bit scummy (waiting for Palmar, Marv etc) but he has been active and was one of the players that really got the discussion going. This is making me like him somewhat, as scum there is no reason to be that active in the start of the game really. Slight town read on him.

I think sicklurker posted some relevant things at the start of the game. Not much though, but a slight town read this far.


He's even forthcoming when asked about it. This is an obvious case of "Chyz is my top read so I'm focusing on him" and considering LazerMonkey's lower activity this is the right kind of production. In fact, yet again LazerMonkey has been much more confident and open about his reads than TheChyz has. All of his votes are OMGUS with weak reasoning and look at how he backs down from me (in chronological order):
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica

On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote:
Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar.

A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me.

Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right?

On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.

Anybody else have opinions on dr.H?seeking approval


On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.


8 hours ago I was tunneling him and he was calling me a donkey idiot and voting for me and trying to convince others to vote for me or feel suspicious about me. He liked that I was trying to scum hunt when I was posting cases on him and trying to get people to vote for him? Self admitted guilt. No way town would congratulate another townie for tunneling them cause it was a great effort or something. What the fuck?

On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read...
And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam.


You made an obvious attempt to sell it to the rest of the thread. Straight up lying. Is this enough to lynch the chyz now? I can always go back and explain how his eden read was fabricated bullshit too.
RIP Aaliyah
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:51 GMT
#695
Maybe it's just newbie omgus like Chyz, idk. It's just kinda weird how it developed. Like usually when someone has a "gut read" on a vet they tend to have to say or think on the subject especially when they're newer.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 31 2014 20:51 GMT
#696
BUT YOU BROUGHT IT UP! Your post about my meta was fluff that is my accusation.
No one goes hey guys has sicklucker ever been mafia I wanna do a meta read. It was random and I had barely posted let alone done anything to suggest im mafia.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 20:51 GMT
#697
On January 01 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 05:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 01 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've seen and had plenty of good Day 1s. You're just doing the same thing here. It doesn't matter if we both agree on our reads for the most part. I think you're town, you probably think I'm town so let's forget it now. If you want to have an argument about the meta later we can. Because I do not agree and I think posting every read in thread is useless and detrimental to town. What is high and mighty about having a different opinion? I'm not going to be forthcoming with all of my thoughts and reads until I feel I can do something about them. Sorry

I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course.

Maybe you are town but I am not sure about that yet and reasoning out your reads could very well help with that. I can't force you though.
Even a short one about marv (for example) would be nice because I seriously don't know how you can have a scumread on him at this point in time.


It's a gut feeling and I just wanted to see how he'd respond. He seems way too passive to me and I think if he was town he'd be a little more aggressive or serious. I need to see a lot more from him before I can say anything that matters.

Fine. Just keep in mind that being serious is definitely no towntell for him. If he keeps being passive we will lynch him day1 anyways. Like we did last game.

serious is the wrong word. i feel like he's trying not to make anyone tilt and marv isn't the kind of person who is concerned with annoying anybody
RIP Aaliyah
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16318 Posts
December 31 2014 20:52 GMT
#698
On January 01 2015 05:51 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 05:41 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 05:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 01 2015 05:35 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 05:30 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I've seen and had plenty of good Day 1s. You're just doing the same thing here. It doesn't matter if we both agree on our reads for the most part. I think you're town, you probably think I'm town so let's forget it now. If you want to have an argument about the meta later we can. Because I do not agree and I think posting every read in thread is useless and detrimental to town. What is high and mighty about having a different opinion? I'm not going to be forthcoming with all of my thoughts and reads until I feel I can do something about them. Sorry

I'm going to refocus on TheChyz in a minute, reflecting on it I think I can make a much better case. I'm pretty sure geript is scum too, but that's based on my memory of the thread and not an actual re-reading. I will do both and whichever gains more traction I'd be willing to vote for. Unless my read changes on geript of course.

Maybe you are town but I am not sure about that yet and reasoning out your reads could very well help with that. I can't force you though.
Even a short one about marv (for example) would be nice because I seriously don't know how you can have a scumread on him at this point in time.


It's a gut feeling and I just wanted to see how he'd respond. He seems way too passive to me and I think if he was town he'd be a little more aggressive or serious. I need to see a lot more from him before I can say anything that matters.

Fine. Just keep in mind that being serious is definitely no towntell for him. If he keeps being passive we will lynch him day1 anyways. Like we did last game.

serious is the wrong word. i feel like he's trying not to make anyone tilt and marv isn't the kind of person who is concerned with annoying anybody

That is certainly true.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 20:53 GMT
#699
On January 01 2015 05:51 geript wrote:
Maybe it's just newbie omgus like Chyz, idk. It's just kinda weird how it developed. Like usually when someone has a "gut read" on a vet they tend to have to say or think on the subject especially when they're newer.


or it could be fabricated bullshit and an attempt to appear contributive notice how he is also constantly mocking and suspecting others for not having strong enough reads when every time he has one he has to ask the whole thread about it? how about trying to get the thread to turn on me then saying it was all fine and then also i looked good for scumhunting and tunneling him which is the same thing he's also still mad about???? ????? the chyz is scum.
RIP Aaliyah
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
December 31 2014 20:53 GMT
#700
Look Doc. We get it. You think Chyz is mafia. You might even be right. But give it a rest for a bit. Talk to us about who else you think is scum and why. Or discuss townread. I really don't care. Beating ye old drum only makes me and other people not want to read/think about what you're posting. And that's bad for everyone.
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