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TheChyz
Profile Joined November 2013
Canada238 Posts
December 31 2014 18:26 GMT
#621
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 18:27 GMT
#622
On January 01 2015 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So what if someone fabricates a read? Are you serious? He went from defending it for different reasons, to calling it garbage and not disagreeing with my dismissal of it, then saying again that he's sticking with his eden read, then dropping it to make the same accusations against lazermonkey which were hypocritical anyway. I guess that's considered good town play now?

I never said that it is good townplay. But I have enough experience to know that town players are not always playing well. I think you should too.

I know that. I think this is scum play not bad town play. I don't think a townie would reach the same conclusions and express them in the same way as TheChyz did. If this gains no traction I am going to rewrite my case ad nauseum because I am about 80% convinced which is good for this early in the game
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 18:28 GMT
#623
On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.

You're right. I am trying to push a vote on you because I believe you are mafia. The objective of the game is to lynch mafia and is the only thing that matters. Geript has never played in a game where I was scum as far as I recall.
RIP Aaliyah
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 31 2014 18:31 GMT
#624
On January 01 2015 03:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So what if someone fabricates a read? Are you serious? He went from defending it for different reasons, to calling it garbage and not disagreeing with my dismissal of it, then saying again that he's sticking with his eden read, then dropping it to make the same accusations against lazermonkey which were hypocritical anyway. I guess that's considered good town play now?

I never said that it is good townplay. But I have enough experience to know that town players are not always playing well. I think you should too.

I know that. I think this is scum play not bad town play. I don't think a townie would reach the same conclusions and express them in the same way as TheChyz did. If this gains no traction I am going to rewrite my case ad nauseum because I am about 80% convinced which is good for this early in the game

that's a disappointing climbdown from 100% sigbet worthy
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 31 2014 18:32 GMT
#625
On December 31 2014 19:48 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 16:10 sicklucker wrote:
Its weird because its either

a. scummy because of why I just said
b. A way to find a town for people who have played with him alot and know he does this.

Can we kill ritoky so far hes attacked doctor and missed the sarcasm and now this.


sicklucker can you explain what the issue is with ritoky attacking doctor?

you have a huge town read on doctor at that point?


I just thought it was useless like everyone else. Also ritoky did it for very bad reasons when there was actually some ok reasons
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 31 2014 18:32 GMT
#626
On January 01 2015 03:26 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:24 Koshi wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:42 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:38 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 02:28 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On December 31 2014 18:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
TheChyz is mafia

The foundation of my argument is that TheChyz superficially chose eden1892 when asked for his reads. When I dismiss his initial reasons, he further contradicts the premise of his read and then changes the reasons when asked about it by ritoky. Let's go through his post history with context.

On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.


This post is supposed to be uncontroversial. I realize now I initially misread part of this post but it changes nothing. The important part is colored in red.

On December 31 2014 17:22 TheChyz wrote:
Nah i just don't like conversations going in circles for years on end. Eden is sticking out to me as my largest scum read because the constant defensive wording in each post where there always seems to be some idea of not jumpin on somebody too strongly. Just doesn't sit right about how cautious he/she (sorry dont know) is trying to be when there is literally no reason to be cautious other than being afraid of having heat thrown his/her way.

dr.H and ritoky lean town. pointless talking mostly but mafia probably doesn't want too much attention for absolutely no reason other than proving a point.


Let's sum up the Eden read:
1. Eden is my largest scum read.
2. He is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. He is scummy because he is not jumping on anyone strongly.
4. He is scummy because he is playing cautiously and fearfully.

Of all players in this game this about describes Eden the least. What about the myriad of other players who have yet to accuse anyone of being mafia?

On December 31 2014 17:17 Eden1892 wrote:
in fact Chyz you can have my first vote of the game, it's special to me so please treat us right. Doc I still have reservations about wrt me being unfair, Chyz I really don't.

##VOTE: TheChyz


This post comes before TheChyz's second post. Eden is one of only two players in the game to even vote up until this point. Why oh why considering this would eden stand out specifically to TheChyz as a player who is
1. Defensive
2. Not jumping on anyone
3. Too cautious

This is the first time in the game that TheChyz expresses immediate suspicion towards someone who votes for him.

On December 31 2014 17:33 TheChyz wrote:
He just is? Like I can be suspicious too. Hell i'm suspicious of everybody, but its just the wording that he is using doesn't sit right with me. Seems to clean.


1. Everyone is suspicious
2. I am suspicious
3. The only thing that makes eden seem scummy is his wording doesn't seem right.

I'm not sure what "The wording isn't right" means. Earlier TheChyz has more specific reasons, but I guess he kinda forgot about them or whatever. It was only his largest scum read so those kinds of things don't matter. Shoot, he's just suspicious of everybody so it doesn't really matter!

I wonder when TheChyz will have something substantial to say. Apparently his scumreads aren't very substantial at all as he says himself.

On December 31 2014 17:30 TheChyz wrote:
I don't have a reason to vote for eden. Because someone is my largest scum read (at this point in the game that means he is the least towny out of all like, what , 5 players) doesn't mean i need to vote on him. Garbage vote atm so why would i do it?


With this post let's try to get a masterlist of all the things you think about Eden, your #1 scumread. Sorry if I'm redundant.

1. Eden is my largest scumread.
2. Eden is scummy because he uses defensive wording.
3. Eden is scummy because he is afraid of jumping on anyone. (I would assume this means accusing, pressuring,voting - all things Eden had done before he brought this up)
4. Eden is scummy because he seems cautious and fearful.
5. Eden is scummy just because his wording just doesn't seem right.
6. I have no reason to vote for Eden.
7. Voting for eden is a garbage vote.
8. Eden is the least towny of all the players.

And then:
On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica


Eden's soft accusations resulted in a vote on you pages ago. Now you're accusing me of being soft for not voting for you but eden is soft for whatever reason because I guess you have to stick to your guns or something. I'll wait a few more hours to vote and see how long you chase your tail over it

Everyone read this again. Thechyz has yet to contribute a thought out read or try scumhunting. All his votes are jist omgus and hes still telling people he suspects them basically for not scumhunting or having strong reads. It doesn't get much worse. There is no reason we should not lynch thechyz day 1.

Nothing in this post makes him obviously scum.

If thechyz is town in this game you can write my tl sig. It's barely even about hypocrisy. Its about the foundation of his read....its fabricated obvioisly because eden was basically the only.player to make real accusations or do much up to thst point. Earlier he doesnt think it important enough to even offer his "largest scumread" when he can just lurk and tell.other players how they arent being useful

I am the biggest believer in Chyz his innocence. I should get the honors.

No matter what Chyz flips I'm gonna be all over you next so you might wanna start omgusing me now it'll make it look more authentic later

It's already cute how you think you will get Chyz lynched.
I had a good night of sleep.
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 31 2014 18:33 GMT
#627
On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.

8 hours ago you voted for Dr.H. So I wouldn't say "you were fine with him".

Anyway Dr.H. is also not getting lynched today.
I had a good night of sleep.
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
December 31 2014 18:34 GMT
#628
So I honestly think the case against Chyz is kind of shit tier and that is what makes me interested in the people who jumped on it. Namely Artanis and Lazor.

So I asked the two of them some questions and I quite like the read that Artanis gave on DrH that felt towny to me. But when I asked Lazer questions he basically didn't have any reads on eden, DrH or rit. This is apparently a scummy thing because he reads the chyz as scum for not immediately having strong reads at that stage of the game.

We need to move on from chyz at the moment because this reason for pushing him is poor. He stopped rit and DrH having their dick measuring, that felt fine. Then when he got forced to give reads (by DrH) he gave some but he wasn't like "this guy is scum, lynch" and then DrH feels like he was being hypocritical...I don't see how, nowhere did chyz give the impression he was giving a strong read.

When Lazer entered the thread he gave these reads

On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone

Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment.

Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.

Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.

##Vote: TheChyz


which is just a copy of the thread mentality and what people had said, again I think the case is bad so supporting it is bad to me.

Then he gives a read on Robik, which is like the most pointless read at this stage of the game

"hey robik said hi then left, he is a bit scummy" ... yeh but what is the point of that read.

Then he gave his 3 reads eventually on eden etc. I didn't think much of the reads at all, they seem very contrived.

So in conclusion, jumps into thread and sheeps the thread opinion, ( a bad case on chezy ) , has no good reads at all. I think one of artanis/lazer is scummy and I think it is Lazer

Zerg for Life
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 18:34 GMT
#629
Look. This is @JAT

Anyone can come in halfway through Day 1 and point out a bunch of people who aren't committed to anything. It takes a long time for people to get entrenched and confident in their reads and it's a VERY easy time for mafia to come in and either FoS or vote for anybody on those grounds. The fact that he chose to do that on a player (eden) who didn't fit his stated reasoning (eden wasn't being defensive or noncommittal or any of those things) is very strange. If he said that about somebody else and it were true I wouldn't have been very interested at all and would agree, like he said, that it was just the best thing he had going. But the reasons were fake. His behavior since has been just as wishy washy and bad, calling me a filter spammer and not addressing anything. Not doing anything to LazerMonkey even when Marv threw his support behind that. Uses the same one size fits all Day 1 case for LazerMonkey as he used for his eden read, everything this guy is doing is setting off red flags for me left and right. Could be a youngminii situation but mafia is about taking risks. I won't be right 100% of the time but even if TheChyz is newb town scum is sweating if they know I'm willing to tunnel like this.
RIP Aaliyah
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16324 Posts
December 31 2014 18:34 GMT
#630
On January 01 2015 03:33 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote.

8 hours ago you voted for Dr.H. So I wouldn't say "you were fine with him".

Anyway Dr.H. is also not getting lynched today.

Yup.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 18:35 GMT
#631
On January 01 2015 03:31 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So what if someone fabricates a read? Are you serious? He went from defending it for different reasons, to calling it garbage and not disagreeing with my dismissal of it, then saying again that he's sticking with his eden read, then dropping it to make the same accusations against lazermonkey which were hypocritical anyway. I guess that's considered good town play now?

I never said that it is good townplay. But I have enough experience to know that town players are not always playing well. I think you should too.

I know that. I think this is scum play not bad town play. I don't think a townie would reach the same conclusions and express them in the same way as TheChyz did. If this gains no traction I am going to rewrite my case ad nauseum because I am about 80% convinced which is good for this early in the game

that's a disappointing climbdown from 100% sigbet worthy

I'll still sigbet, that's pretty good odds. Have anything useful to say yet marv
RIP Aaliyah
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 18:36 GMT
#632
On January 01 2015 03:34 KelsierSC wrote:
So I honestly think the case against Chyz is kind of shit tier and that is what makes me interested in the people who jumped on it. Namely Artanis and Lazor.

So I asked the two of them some questions and I quite like the read that Artanis gave on DrH that felt towny to me. But when I asked Lazer questions he basically didn't have any reads on eden, DrH or rit. This is apparently a scummy thing because he reads the chyz as scum for not immediately having strong reads at that stage of the game.

We need to move on from chyz at the moment because this reason for pushing him is poor. He stopped rit and DrH having their dick measuring, that felt fine. Then when he got forced to give reads (by DrH) he gave some but he wasn't like "this guy is scum, lynch" and then DrH feels like he was being hypocritical...I don't see how, nowhere did chyz give the impression he was giving a strong read.

When Lazer entered the thread he gave these reads

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 00:30 Lazermonkey wrote:
Hi everyone

Because of NYE, I will only be able to be active for a few hours today. Tomorrow I'll have more time though. Chyz looks scummy. Though I do think people are attacking him for the wrong reasons. The discussion between DH and rikoty WAS stupid. But if you look at Chyz opening post, he doesn't give any actual opinion about the players involved other than that rikoty should move on. Nowhere does he speak about their alignment.

On December 31 2014 17:06 TheChyz wrote:
Hello all.

Currently I don't like the direction that dr.H and ritoky are going. Basically I just see it as dr.H doing something not alignment indicative (someone always talks about policy lynches :/ ) and now ritoky is just trying to either prove that dr.H is scum or (my most probably guess) is he just wants to get an early acknowledgement of dominance by trying to force dr.H into admitting he did not follow his own policy (which most people don't follow anyway). I don't see a reason why ritoky would push this so far without any agenda.

@ritoky lets move onto something a bit more important than trying to prove your dick is bigger than dr.H's. If there is anything substantial you have then go ahead, but currently your just being more of a filter spammer than anything.

Chyz doesn't follow up with anything at all untill he is called out. Why is it that he the first thing that he felt he had to post was that people was on the wrong track, instead of actually trying give some of his own opinion? This is scum mentality.

##Vote: TheChyz


which is just a copy of the thread mentality and what people had said, again I think the case is bad so supporting it is bad to me.

Then he gives a read on Robik, which is like the most pointless read at this stage of the game

"hey robik said hi then left, he is a bit scummy" ... yeh but what is the point of that read.

Then he gave his 3 reads eventually on eden etc. I didn't think much of the reads at all, they seem very contrived.

So in conclusion, jumps into thread and sheeps the thread opinion, ( a bad case on chezy ) , has no good reads at all. I think one of artanis/lazer is scummy and I think it is Lazer


I never said thechyz was scum for not immediately having strong reads that has very little to do with it. He obviously fabricated his post.
RIP Aaliyah
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 31 2014 18:36 GMT
#633
On December 31 2014 20:50 marvellosity wrote:
let's kill ritoky. he pushed absolute bullshit reasons for all his scumreads in Carol and was generally unwarrantedly aggressive. I can't believe he's so dumb to push something for 10+ posts here which was a joke.

Literally the only hesitation is that I can't believe he would play exactly the same for another game running.

Nothing else is very interesting. Chyz gets time. DrH didn't demonstrate Chyz was mafia, just maybe that he made a read he shouldn't have. tbc.


Like this is so true and why I voted him. In carol he claimed a present just to claim one which was a huge reason as to how I figured out his alignment and his mafia team. It was stupid then and hes being pretty stupid now
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 18:36 GMT
#634
TheChyz is the one who made the read on eden for not having strong reads in the first place except Eden DID and he VOTED for it.

What more do you want? If I right now said you were scum for not saying stuff you have been saying I bet you'd vote for me right there.
RIP Aaliyah
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 31 2014 18:37 GMT
#635
On January 01 2015 03:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:31 marvellosity wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:27 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:25 justanothertownie wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:22 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
So what if someone fabricates a read? Are you serious? He went from defending it for different reasons, to calling it garbage and not disagreeing with my dismissal of it, then saying again that he's sticking with his eden read, then dropping it to make the same accusations against lazermonkey which were hypocritical anyway. I guess that's considered good town play now?

I never said that it is good townplay. But I have enough experience to know that town players are not always playing well. I think you should too.

I know that. I think this is scum play not bad town play. I don't think a townie would reach the same conclusions and express them in the same way as TheChyz did. If this gains no traction I am going to rewrite my case ad nauseum because I am about 80% convinced which is good for this early in the game

that's a disappointing climbdown from 100% sigbet worthy

I'll still sigbet, that's pretty good odds. Have anything useful to say yet marv

my lynches bring all the boys to the yard, and damn right, they're better than yours?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
December 31 2014 18:37 GMT
#636
i could teach you, but i'd have to charge
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
December 31 2014 18:38 GMT
#637
On January 01 2015 03:32 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2014 19:48 KelsierSC wrote:
On December 31 2014 16:10 sicklucker wrote:
Its weird because its either

a. scummy because of why I just said
b. A way to find a town for people who have played with him alot and know he does this.

Can we kill ritoky so far hes attacked doctor and missed the sarcasm and now this.


sicklucker can you explain what the issue is with ritoky attacking doctor?

you have a huge town read on doctor at that point?


I just thought it was useless like everyone else. Also ritoky did it for very bad reasons when there was actually some ok reasons


You think that is a good reason to lynch him then?
Zerg for Life
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
December 31 2014 18:39 GMT
#638
I gotta read that ritoky game and see if there's anything to that. I'm not gonna fight a losing battle, if I can't get traction on TheChyz obvs there's no point and I have to see if a vig does the right thing. I'll still try again on Day 2 if I have to.

He was apparently fine with me 8 hours ago when he was calling me scum, voting for me and saying I'm spewing garbage though I wonder if that's significant at all
RIP Aaliyah
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
December 31 2014 18:40 GMT
#639
Doctor what do you think about the people who were supporting your case?
Zerg for Life
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 31 2014 18:40 GMT
#640
Actually thats not true he did really have one but he was begging in scum qt to fake one so he was still pretty agro. Still did dumb things like to claim it knowing there was a rber that a town would never do.
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