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On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:
I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time.
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I'm really limited on time right now but VE, here is something to consider for Mderg, which while rereading his filter, I found somewhat strange: When I consider the motivation/agenda behind his posts, I find it easier to fit a towny agenda since he doesn't hide his reads or information. However, when he is pressured, his logic does deteriorate, which could certainly represent mafia that cannot adequately refute claims.
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On June 19 2014 21:53 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:
I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time.
Rofl read right over that. Still meh.
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On June 19 2014 20:40 VisceraEyes wrote:Why I Believe Mderg Is Mafia
and Other Short Stories The Post In QuestionSo my contention with mderg's original post still stands. Here are my expanded reasons for thinking his first post is mafia. 1) comes in and gives a weak reasoning for his vote - like, he thinks that her focus on the scumslip is somehow suspicious, but frankly I see way more town harping on about scumslips than mafia. Further, he doesn't even really state how anything else she does is suspcious - this is his only reasoning for finding bunnies suspicious (unless you count "between BH and bunnies, BH is more townie, ergo, bunnies is mafia"....I don't). 2) though he claims it was unintended, he DID leave the post with the feeling that he probably wouldn't be back. I mean, that's obviously subjective but when someone uses the phrase "I'll hopefully post more tomorrow" that leads me to believe that there's some doubt there (hence the hopefully part). This leads me to agree with GK's analysis (at the time - not sure where GK left off with mderg at the time of writing this) that he was scum hoping to be able to lurk out the rest of the day. 3) slOosh mentioned this earlier, but Artanis never really made a case on Release, but mderg likes his case on Release. Further EvidenceI'm having a hard time following mderg's read on Snickers. Apparently earlier he thought Snickers' posting was free of mafia-mindset, which generally speaking is a town-lean or at the very least null, but now apparently Snickers is mderg's only mafia read (everyone else is null or leans town). Except for me I guess, but since this Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:44 mderg wrote:I´m not even remotely interested in talking about the life, the universe and everything with you. I don´t have any other clear scumreads but Snickers seems suspicious with how he asked these "newbie questions" but still knows his shit. he also focused on very small pieces of information and bad wording. Spoilered examples. + Show Spoiler +On June 16 2014 12:44 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 12:35 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 12:32 Snickers wrote:On June 16 2014 12:14 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 12:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:03 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 11:59 slOosh wrote:
What is this "limited information" that you guys are getting at? On June 16 2014 09:37 YouKnowZhou wrote:
I'm a vt.
I'm not really replying to 27ninjabunnies for making a bad judgement call about any of the lynches. That would be unfair since he has limited information. I will be just trying to clarify some things so you, and everyone else here, could get a better impression about me. Of course, you would have to trust me on that.
What I'm trying to say is, YKZ good, lynching YKZ bad, mmkay? What's truly amazing here is what an awesome example this is for Kenpachi Rule Extended. Even after I call it you're still doing it. Assuming you do in fact flip scum I'll have to write a post game analysis just on the first few pages of this game. Maybe I could tie it in with a general Kenpachi and Kenpachi Rule Extended / Zephirdd Rule tutorial. I'm getting more excited by the minute! BH I thought you were some amazing mafia player? Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME! And I'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game. See the statement is suspicious to me "i'll disprove your kenpachi rule by the end of the game." why the end of the game. It could easily be prove "wrong" the first night. "wrong" as in if your lynched and shown as town. Or if YKZ is lynched and showed scum. I am just trying to show where I think 27nb is thinking in a strange way. Maybe she just thinks that way normally. I do not think the kenpachi rule can be proven wrong. I think it can be proven to not be 100% right though. I think saying it is wrong is stating it has no merit at all. I already explained why i thought a scum could potentially claim VT day one to attempt for an advantage. Also sloosh thanks for posting. I think this kenpachi rule should still be discussed a little more, but I see where you think we should stop the seeming rigmarole. I'm saying by the end of the game because I'm not getting lynched today! Straight up! And if I do, I'm going down swinging. And if that's the case, I will prove it's not 100% right as you say. And how am I thinking ina strange way? I've blatantly and straight forwardly laid out my case for you. I think you are thinking in a strange way because of my post you are responding to. I said that YKZ could be lynched and showed as scum. That would also prove the kenpachi rule as not 100% right. You responded to that and still did not understand that you could not be lynched and the rule could be shown as not 100% right at day one, not the end of the game. Also it think it is weird how confident you were with saying "Obviously not because YOU ARE WRONG ON ME" but then you say by the end of the day. If i was being confident about proving someone wrong. I would have said, I could prove you wrong, even by day one with these one of these two lynches showing these respective outcomes, but will for sure prove you wrong by the end of the game. On June 16 2014 15:02 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 10:49 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 10:47 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 10:36 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 10:33 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 10:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt. On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ Kenpachi Rule ##vote 27ninjabunnies Kenpachi rule? So rumor has it, There is a guy, called Kenpachi, and at the game start, he says "hi, i am Kenpachi and i am a townie." The first guy casting doubt on that dude is always scum, that's the "Kenpachi rule" It's a stupid rule, and has no basis to why I am reading YKZ as scum. On June 16 2014 10:27 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 10:16 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 10:12 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 09:50 27ninjabunnies wrote:
I don't like that he wants to ignore me completely. And that he has to immediately come out and say he is vt. On June 16 2014 09:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
So ##Vote: YKZ Kenpachi Rule ##vote 27ninjabunnies Kenpachi rule? The Kenpachi rule, named after its author Kenpachi, is a TL adage reflecting the idea that without a clear and better motivation for a vote, it is almost certainly a scumtell when a player votes a player who claimed VT at the start of the game. Kenpachi's rule, in broader form, is: Without a blantant display of humor, a vote on a vt claim comes almost always from a scum player. The core of Kenpachi rule is that a vt claim by its nature is not suspicious to a town player, who isn't hunting for blues. Without a clear motivation for a vt claim, it looks odd to scum, who want to attack someone safely. A corollary of the Kenpachi rule is the reverse phenomenon: the first vt claim is almost always sincere. These definitions don't exactly match up... You can search it on TL for urself, but it's not about claiming townie, as 27ninjabunnies asserts. The rule is about claiming vanilla townie. Basicly, scum want to jump on something, and a VT claim looks basicly not intresting to a townie who isn't hunting for blues. It looks unique though to someone who is hunting for blues: scum. But knowing all of this, couldn't you say you're VT regardless of alignment, bait someone's suspicion and then claim Kenpachi rule? I'm having trouble understanding why at the very start of the game scum would be more prone to jumping on something that looks scummy. I mean if scum's job is to blend in, why be the first to vote and make a case? There's always scrutiny that comes with doing so... I understand your concern. Let me elucedate: Kenpachi's rule actually works. Your concerned bcuz you assume a townie would vote a vt claim so scum could claim vt then a townie votes and gets "baited". Your concern is wrong bcuz a townie would never do this. this is part of the kenpachi's rule. the next part is that you assume it looks scummy, which it isn't. scum would never claim vt bcuz scum wants to be able to fakeclaim blue at lylo or sumthing. scum wants to blend in but they are jumpy silly folk. kenpachi rule always works, bcuz it never fails. tyvm Also thought it should be pointed out that YKZ says the kenpachi rule "almost always" works and then says it "always works" without showing that his knowledge of the ruled changed between the posts.When we make posts we should try to stop assuming things. Thanks everybody for helping me with my posting and questions. On June 17 2014 16:07 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2014 09:11 mderg wrote:I almost forgot about this due to the world cup  The whole thing with YKZ and bunnies is really strange. It feels like they´re both wrong, bunnies more so thab YKZ, though. I don´t think bunnies case was well substantiated at all, scumslips just almost never happen in forum mafia. I also don´t think the Kenpachi rule is as foolproof as YKZ said. It has some solid reasoning behind it but claiming that it always works seems stupid. They´ve kinda been repeating themselves quite often, so there´s not that much to get from this. I think YKZ is town because of the follow up on bunnies On June 16 2014 12:30 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 12:16 slOosh wrote:
Alright, let's cut it out with the "Kenpachi Rule" and associated nomenclature. It isn't immediately clear to everyone and is muddling up the discussion.
Let's get this straight.
Bunnies, you think YKZ is scum because of the phrase "limited information"? His post paraphrased as "I'm not listening to you because you are town"?
YKZ, you think bunnies is scum for her initial call out of your post "I'm vt"?
Please try to be a bit more clear with your posts please. Look at all the scummy stuff I've posted since my original post. Any real townie would be all over me for things like "I'm allowed to lie" and my blanatant lying etc but all YKZ is on is my OG post because he is scum. Any real townie would be all up on dis, think about it I don´t think scum would so blatantly say that he acted scummy and someone should have pointed it out. This feels like a trap made by town. He´s also claimed vt early on which I find weird but unlikely to be scum play. So I think out of bunnies and YKZ only bunnies can really be scum. It certainly is possible. Especially the heavy focus on YKZ´s "scumslip" seems suspicious. Not calling out YKZ´s scummy posts is not really alignment indicative. Not immediately noticing things that might look scummy to some can happen as both alignments. I also dislike how she agrees with Artanis that Release is scummy but doesn´t think he´s scum because she wants to be right about YKZ and her association read. On June 17 2014 01:45 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 22:45 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 22:11 VisceraEyes wrote:On June 16 2014 17:25 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I find this discussion about YKZ/27nb and its origins really boring and I can't believe we've written so much about such bullshit. Biggest perpetrator of it is Release. He's just rehashed everything that's already said but made it more wordy.
##Vote Release I kinda like this vote. And I kinda like Artanis' face. Release sounds a lot like he's trying to justify feeling the way he does rather than explaining honestly WHY he feels the way he does. Does anyone else think so? I agree Release is looking scummy, but I wouldn't use that exact wording. He seems heavily invested in his case, but is only leaning towards ninja's side of this debate. These two statements especially didn't sit right with me from Release's post on 21:10 15 June 2014: "As the situation between 27bunnies and YKZ currently stands, I am leaning on the side of 27bunnies." And yet he ends this same post: "I think 27bunnie has the right idea, but has not manifested clearly (or in enough detail) what needs to be said to properly incriminate YKZ." Release doesn't seem that interested in what may develop from YKZ. He already has the verdict in mind... This is a HUGE inconsistency from how he starts his post. You have a point here I really like. Which makes me wonder if scum defending a town here. He's not even considering in what YKZ could or could not do. But then if that's the case, and Release is scum, then YKZ is town, and I don't like that. I really really want to be right that YKZ is scum. It also feels like townreading Artanis is some kind of "You´re scumreading me, so I´ll townread you". I think Snickers has been posting strangely. As if he wanted to play the newbie card without stating that he´s new. His general thought process doesn´t show a scum mindset, though. I didn´t really like where he talked about associations between bunnies and VKZ. IMO pre-flip associations are bad most of the time. Release had a not so perfect entrance to this thread. At first glance his case on YKZ seemed good but it basically comes down to the few points bunnies has made on YKZ and that he stuck to the Kenpachi rule for so long. That´s not very much considering the length of his posts. What kinda speaks in his favor is how suddenly several people jumped on him after Artanis made his case on him. Still kinda neutral on him, maybe a bit scummy. I´m having a townread on sloosh right now. Mainly because his posting feels different from Detention where we were scum together. He´s asking questions and seems to be trying to get behind the reasons from the others. I think Artanis´case on Release made sense but slooshs case on him also made sense even though it´s not that strong. The fact that he almost completely ignored the back and forth between YKZ and bunnies is slightly suspicious. But it´s true that the back and forth was repetitive and I don´t think there was anything that´s really scummy in it. I agree with his reason for scumreading bunnies, it´s something I´m also sumreading her for. Slight townread on him. Not much on the others, yet. I´ll hopefully post more tomorrow. ##vote 27ninjabunnies gk what is your read on mderg? I think its weird how he has only posted one thing. He sorta offers an excuse for that. The thing i find most weird is "I'll hopefully post more tomorrow". ..... I do not think somebody that is town would say hopefully i will post more after posting one post. Other than that I only have null and townreads. comes AFTER this Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 04:14 mderg wrote:On June 19 2014 03:31 Koshi wrote:I am going to sleep early. No Spain . Yesterday Belgium and I went to party and I cant sleep with alcohol in my blood. Then there was mafia and more soccer so it was 2 am before bed. Second time this week with sunday. Not enough passion! VE seems really scummy. At the start it seemed like he didn´t really care about this game with the BH vote. Then he points out something about Release which kinda suggests a scumread but then never mentions him again. He then calls sloosh scum and makes a case but kinda drops it instantly and instead votes me for imo weak reasons. He then stays on me without giving any additional reasons. This is very strange play, he´s kinda focusing on sloosh but doesn´t want to commit whereas he wrote like 2 lines about me but is heavily convinced that I´m scum. It´s like he just wanted to be on the safer and easier target. I have to assume that something changed between them and that I'm now either null or town. Speaking Of That VE Read...I'll speak to this post now though. Everyone is entitled to just a little troll at the beginning if they want to partake. I thought BH was trolling into our game, so I trolled him back a bit for shits. He is ACTUALLY in the game though, so it was really just a bad joke made even worse by facts I wasn't aware of. Be that as it may, that doesn't mean I don't care about the game. I gave my thoughts on what was happening briefly and yes I AFK'd for a while. Deal wid it. I do that as town more than I do that as mafia these days. I mentioned something about Release because Artanis had made, by my estimation, a decent point on him. However, as I've explained (that he says I never mention him again is either a lie or evidence that mderg is not reading before he types, take your pick), I started townreading Release based on his response to Artanis and the content he provided AFTER Artanis' original point. He's also misrepresenting my stance on slOosh - it's true that I thought slOosh was mafia early on based on how he was questioning people. However I made it abundantly clear that I didn't "immediately" drop it, in fact I never /REALLY/ put it in the thread to begin with - I spoiled it because it was, in my opinion, a bad case without the points I felt made it the strongest, his read on Artanis. Ready To Read BH Yet?Meeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh........................I think he might be mafia. He hasn't had any direct interactions with me due to timing and our respective AFK periods, but frankly the bunnies push felt contrived to begin with, and that he stuck with it only to see her flip green raises red flags to me. He makes a special point to say how GODLY he is at Mafia too, insinuating how BAD he is at town right? Sounds like preknowledge of his main target's flip to me. It's a weak read, but he's my worst read. I put it off because I was scurd, but now I might get lynched and it doesn't matter if I scurd anymore. I think he's mafia based on what's in the thread. How About Dems Other Players?Fuck it, they're all town because I think probably 2 mafia. Suck it noobs. No really, I'll answer questions I guess about other players, but after reading Artanis I'm willing to give him at least today to prove he's townie if others are willing to go with me on PREFERABLY mderg, but possibly BH as well.
1) I don´t think the reasoning behind my bunnies read was that weak. I don´t think town should ever focus on a scumslip (unless it´s some really strange mistake) since scumslips almost never happen in forum mafia. It was also not the only reason I gave, not thinking Release is scum because she wants to be right on BH and the Artanis townread. That´s enough for me to scumread someone.
2) I can´t really say much about this. I´m not the guy who would purposefully lurk like that as scum because that´s like the easiest was to get lynched or vig shot.
3) I guess it´s not really a proper case, just a point I agree with. Does using the word case for that make me scum?
The further evidence is just absolutely awful. At least read the 2 posts in between before you write complete bullshit.
On June 19 2014 21:12 VisceraEyes wrote:
That's not even the point. My point was about his Snickers read and how I'm not sure how he gets from point A to point B. You're right though, I guess the "other" could mean that he's more suspicious of me and Snickers is the addition, I missed that I guess. But I still think he mafia regardless.
How about I read his filter and it seemed off. That might be a possibility of how I got from A to B.
What else could the "other" mean in that situation? Your first interpretation would probably be a reason to townread me since no sane scum would change a scumread to a null or townread in 30 minutes without the guy in question posting anything.
I think not realizing that BH was in the game hints at not caring about this game since reading the posts should have made that fact obvious.
You mentioned Release one time after that, townreading him basically for making big regarding everything. I admit that it counts as mentioning him but it´s almost nothing and also a strange reason for townreading someone. You´re also a hypocrite because you´ve proven more than once that you´re either lying or not reading before posting.
You kinda dropped the sloosh case. Saying you´re not convinced anymore and looking elsewhere seems like dropping the case to me.
I can´t see any way in which VE is town here. I guess him scumreading me, sloosh and BH also plays a part in this since I townread both sloosh and BH.
##vote VisceraEyes
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On June 16 2014 11:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 11:34 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 11:27 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 11:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now. You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip. This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia: On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip" Did something change? Yeah in the YKZ quote nobody thought I was blazinghand, so I thought I could get away with the fallacious "scumslip" argument, since you guys clearly aren't willing to accept the reasonable Kenpachi Rule argument. The fact of the matter is, 27nb IS scum because of Kenpachi Rule. I'm allowed to lie, cheat, steal, etc (well not cheat but you get the idea) to get you sheep to follow me and lynch him. The ends justify the means. also, 27nb's retconned case on me that's about me saying s/he doesn't have good info is based on, you guessed it, another scumslip. Let me get it through everyone's heads: I, Blazinghand, am by far the best scum player on TL Mafia. I may not be an amazing town player, I admit, but I am a GOD of scum, I only ever scumslip as town. You can look at my past games; every time someone calls me out for a scumslip, I'm town. You know why? As town, I don't have to bother worrying about scumslips cause I know I am innocent. As scum, I play a much cleaner game in terms of slips because I have to. So, 27nb's slip-based case on me actually proves how townie I am, and his/her hilarious backtracking on calling me potentially blue only shows how scummy 27nb is. You are soooooo wrong on me. It's super bad. And tbh, idc what you think of yourself, but you haven't impressed me ass the "best" in TL Mafia. I caught your mafia self d1. Get rekt! And as I said, Kenpachi rule is useless and stupid, and it will be highly disproved this game. I have no need to backtrack, and I had not backtracked anywhere. I'm going forward with this lynch and into the abyss you go!
She dismisses it when it has merit. It is weird how you are saying something exactly like Release said. Sure she may have commented it on it. But think about it this way. (Not pointing to you just the first example that i thought of) If you come into this thread and just talk about the meta of a different game to prove someone meta, you are not really commenting on the game. 27nb never understand how the kenpachi rule had some merit or she did not care about it (dismiss). It is easy to understand the merit of it so i was led to think that she dismissed it.
I am still in favor of being wrong leads me to think you are scum. This just makes me think you are more scum.
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Is anyone else wondering why Goodkarma got shot over slOosh? I think slOosh is townread by more people and had a more active role.
Also, Snickers, are you calling 27nb scum?
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On June 20 2014 01:34 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2014 11:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On June 16 2014 11:34 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 11:27 goodkarma wrote:On June 16 2014 11:13 YouKnowZhou wrote:On June 16 2014 11:09 27ninjabunnies wrote:
i wouldnt speculate whether or not he is blue right now. You wouldnt speculate bcuz you think i am scum. Unless of cours u kno i am not scum. So I caught u in scum slip. This reminds me of something you once said in Les Mafia: On May 22 2013 15:51 Blazinghand wrote:
DP, you're not bad, you're just wrong about scumslips. When I flip town, promise me this: for the next full game played, any time you mention scumslips you will say "I was wrong, BH was right, there is no such thing as a scumslip" Did something change? Yeah in the YKZ quote nobody thought I was blazinghand, so I thought I could get away with the fallacious "scumslip" argument, since you guys clearly aren't willing to accept the reasonable Kenpachi Rule argument. The fact of the matter is, 27nb IS scum because of Kenpachi Rule. I'm allowed to lie, cheat, steal, etc (well not cheat but you get the idea) to get you sheep to follow me and lynch him. The ends justify the means. also, 27nb's retconned case on me that's about me saying s/he doesn't have good info is based on, you guessed it, another scumslip. Let me get it through everyone's heads: I, Blazinghand, am by far the best scum player on TL Mafia. I may not be an amazing town player, I admit, but I am a GOD of scum, I only ever scumslip as town. You can look at my past games; every time someone calls me out for a scumslip, I'm town. You know why? As town, I don't have to bother worrying about scumslips cause I know I am innocent. As scum, I play a much cleaner game in terms of slips because I have to. So, 27nb's slip-based case on me actually proves how townie I am, and his/her hilarious backtracking on calling me potentially blue only shows how scummy 27nb is. You are soooooo wrong on me. It's super bad. And tbh, idc what you think of yourself, but you haven't impressed me ass the "best" in TL Mafia. I caught your mafia self d1. Get rekt! And as I said, Kenpachi rule is useless and stupid, and it will be highly disproved this game. I have no need to backtrack, and I had not backtracked anywhere. I'm going forward with this lynch and into the abyss you go! She dismisses it when it has merit. It is weird how you are saying something exactly like Release said. Sure she may have commented it on it. But think about it this way. (Not pointing to you just the first example that i thought of) If you come into this thread and just talk about the meta of a different game to prove someone meta, you are not really commenting on the game. 27nb never understand how the kenpachi rule had some merit or she did not care about it (dismiss). It is easy to understand the merit of it so i was led to think that she dismissed it. I am still in favor of being wrong leads me to think you are scum. This just makes me think you are more scum.
Ahhhh. Now I understand. Yeah, you are right on that.
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On June 20 2014 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is anyone else wondering why Goodkarma got shot over slOosh? I think slOosh is townread by more people and had a more active role.
Also, Snickers, are you calling 27nb scum?
Why would i call someone scum when they were shown as VT. No I am not I am responding to koshi. I think Goodkarma got shot because he was a smart player. I thought Sloosh was town and never said it until now. I have not read all of his posts in super detail but until page 13 he is consistent and did not do anything scummy.
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On June 20 2014 01:53 Snickers wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is anyone else wondering why Goodkarma got shot over slOosh? I think slOosh is townread by more people and had a more active role.
Also, Snickers, are you calling 27nb scum? Why would i call someone scum when they were shown as VT. No I am not I am responding to koshi. I think Goodkarma got shot because he was a smart player. I thought Sloosh was town and never said it until now. I have not read all of his posts in super detail but until page 13 he is consistent and did not do anything scummy.
I know, I just thought you were just reading very poorly, but I was the one that was doing that instead!
I wasn't attempting to implicate slOosh. I'm saying I think either Goodkarma was on the right trace, or slOosh is on the wrong one.
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C'mon Artanis, wifoming night actions isn't a good idea.
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I don't think scum ever shoots for wifom. It hasn't happened in my experience.
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You know what I mean. Trying to extrapolate information about the night kill is not a particularly reasonable endeavour.
Current thoughts on VE?
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On June 20 2014 01:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Is anyone else wondering why Goodkarma got shot over slOosh? I think slOosh is townread by more people and had a more active role.
Also, Snickers, are you calling 27nb scum?
Yesterday, I was thinking that if they didn't kill slOosh tonight, he might be mafia. He was one of the only one playing Day 1.
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On June 20 2014 02:05 slOosh wrote:
You know what I mean. Trying to extrapolate information about the night kill is not a particularly reasonable endeavour.
Current thoughts on VE?
I think it gives extra reason to check out karma's filter though. I skimmed through his filter and saw he was after BH (until he decided to give him a day) and VE.
Haven't read VE in depth. Saw the case on mderg but I skipped it for the time being as I haven't had much time so far. I'm not sure why his read on me developed the way it did. He seems to have gone from townreading me to (sort of?) scumreading me whereas you and Lazer have gone through he opposite evolution. He seems very detached. I'm hesitant to throw him under the train tracks too quickly though, he's been a frequent mislynch.
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On June 19 2014 21:33 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2014 05:07 slOosh wrote:On June 18 2014 23:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
slOosh can you maybe give me your read on mderg? He was a counterwagon yesterday and all this VE talk is pretty fucking annoying considering you never really even considered lynching mderg. On June 18 2014 04:25 slOosh wrote:
I don't think mderg is a good lynch.
His posts are consistent, and his notice of how people are reacting to Release is something that I felt too. If you have specific things in his filter that you want to talk about, great, let's do that, but you will need to clarify what exactly you have problems with. I understand if you want to play a more laid back style of play, but if you want me to back off, give me something to work with, otherwise there's no reason for me to stop. I think that based on how D1 went down, scum weren't in much danger of getting lynched, as I think mderg is town. In this position, scum tend to be lazy / laid back. In some sense lurkers who drop by to keep up appearances, but not really care about where the lynch lands. VE your profile fits this. Again, if you want me to back off, give me something to work with. slOosh I think that in general your description would accurately illustrate a likely strategy mafia could/would employ based on the information we have now. I think that your observation is fair that I fit this category on reflection, and regret my harsh words to the contrary. I also realize that my scumread of BH does NOT fall in line with this line of thinking, so I ask how you're reading BH right now. Is it simply that you've constructed this likely scenario and that BH does not fit into it? If so I ask that you consider that BH is a crazy mofo and fucks up whatever plan you think you have about what mafia /could/ or /would/ do. If not I'd like to know your full reasoning for townreading/not suspecting BH.
Well this scenario is hinged on mderg's alignment, which I am currently reviewing right now.
BH is crazy. I haven't trusted him all game for the stunt he pulled off. The one time he comments outside of it is when people are considering an mderg lynch, at which point he counter offers an Oats lurker lynch. Even his first post of today seems like a potential bait - repeat. So in some sense I've been waiting to see what he would do now that his stunt is over, and also why I asked last night what he thought of mderg.
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On June 20 2014 02:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2014 02:05 slOosh wrote:
You know what I mean. Trying to extrapolate information about the night kill is not a particularly reasonable endeavour.
Current thoughts on VE? I think it gives extra reason to check out karma's filter though. I skimmed through his filter and saw he was after BH (until he decided to give him a day) and VE. Haven't read VE in depth. Saw the case on mderg but I skipped it for the time being as I haven't had much time so far. I'm not sure why his read on me developed the way it did. He seems to have gone from townreading me to (sort of?) scumreading me whereas you and Lazer have gone through he opposite evolution. He seems very detached. I'm hesitant to throw him under the train tracks too quickly though, he's been a frequent mislynch.
I think several things that he has said may have some validity to them. I invite you to reread mderg as well. He seems like a pivotal point here.
Either that or BH.
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Aight. I can see where VE would have issues with mderg's first post. It's reasonable.
However, I think there is a general consistency in his filter that still makes me lean town. I.e. his reads over time are congruent and whatnot. I don't know how much stock you put in meta, but reading Detention Mafia and Cell Mini II Mafia shows it is possible that his town style is kinda "wishy washy".
I'd totally lynch BH over him.
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Primary points of contention being his read on Release, which arguably should be "real townie", and the mention of an Oats lynch.
Secondary point being he pulled off a really stupid stunt and hasn't done anything else all game.
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BH should do stuff indeed.
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Been tied up with dinner. K 'll bedone with dinner in about twelve hours.
You have forgotten a situation besides sloosh scum for gk kill. That situation is that scum is super amazingly astoundingly bad and incompetent. In fact I think we can confidently say that the scumteam this game is super low tier in terms of intelligence, knowledge, and competence. They are laughable and honestly I'm ashamed of even posting in the same thread as these chuckleheads. Honestly they are just idiots. They didn't even rb me. It's sad, or at least it would be, if it were not so funny.
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