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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:43 Naib wrote: Bisu going downfall now, just like sAvior did after that 0-3! (You heard it here first!)  Sorry but there's no way I heard it here first lol. | ||
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Zea!
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
What was key here was savior's 8 lings denied about 4 scouting probes, so Bisu had no idea whether there were 2 hatches, 3 hatches, lair, muta, hydra, speedling allin, anything... So he had to make main nexus cannons before his corsair was done, and his cannons at his nat were positioned against a ling attack, and he lost to a hydra push he had no clue was coming until the hydras moved in Bisu managed to kill 2 stacked ovies allowing his DT to rape like 10 hydras, but Savior's proxy hatch meant a slow lord was coming really fast, and thus didn't have to wait until ovie speed. | ||
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VerticalHorizon
United States415 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:43 Aesop wrote: Doesn't it really depend on your proxy hatch not being scouted? Without the overlord reinforcements DTs would have repelled the push. Savior went fast pool/speed JUST to deny scouting probes | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11233 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:44 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: did you not see how careful savior was on stopping scouts did you not realize the entire purpose of the proxy hat was to proxy slow ovies over Yes, but a definite counter would, for me at least, require to be applicable in all situations. That it worked on this map, at this time, and that Savior executed it really well, no question. But to call it a definite counter is too much. | ||
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Darkmole
United States900 Posts
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malkavian47
Croatia114 Posts
Savior won, but I feel no pity or sadness for Bisu. Savior it is. | ||
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Brutalisk
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:42 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: GENIUS use of proxy overlord THIS is the definitive counter to bisu build I think it will only work on a 2 player map though, if savior doesn't find bisu fast with this build it might fail | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36362 Posts
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~chut~
France1317 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:43 Highways wrote: hydra push is cheap I hate those kind of comments. It's always the same... "2 fact vult is cheap" "fast dt is cheap" "mass lings is cheap" Who cares? He analysed Bisu's bo and found a counter, that's strategy and that's great. | ||
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VerticalHorizon
United States415 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:46 Hot_Bid wrote: The key here really is the denial of information, Savior traded eco for no scouts from Bisu by making speedlings This also forced Bisu to send his first sair STRAIGHT to Savior's base, basically ignoring the proxy OL already stationed near his expo because he was THAT desperate for information/recon. By the time the sair got to Savior's base, the hydra push had already started. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:45 IaniAniaN wrote: Savior has to rely on a timing attack as I thought he would, but he won't pull it off on the maps with more than 2 players, he can't take the same risk and will be forced to play more standard. I dunno, i think it's ironic how you're pinning savior down as a one-trick pony vs bisu when all bisu ever does against protoss is his epononymous build EDIT: flameguard: in serious games, that is | ||
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vhallee
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DragoonPK
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SAVIOR FIGHTING | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:46 Aesop wrote: Yes, but a definite counter would, for me at least, require to be applicable in all situations. That it worked on this map, at this time, and that Savior executed it really well, no question. But to call it a definite counter is too much. i never said it was a counter build for all situations i said it was a perfect counter, which it was in that game | ||
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