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Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
November 23 2007 10:55 GMT
#341
On November 23 2007 19:52 Sunyveil wrote:
remember, savior's victory in the Ro8 means that Jaedong doesn't have to play any Toss player in the OSL (in other words, uncontested victory)


wtf?!

Savior just won the first game?!?! AND WHY DO YOU FORGET STORK
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IaniAniaN
Profile Joined September 2007
Canada555 Posts
November 23 2007 10:56 GMT
#342
On November 23 2007 19:55 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2007 19:52 IaniAniaN wrote:
On November 23 2007 19:47 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
On November 23 2007 19:45 IaniAniaN wrote:
Savior has to rely on a timing attack as I thought he would, but he won't pull it off on the maps with more than 2 players, he can't take the same risk and will be forced to play more standard.


I dunno, i think it's ironic how you're pinning savior down as a one-trick pony vs bisu when all bisu ever does against protoss is his epononymous build

EDIT: flameguard: in serious games, that is


I'm just sayin' that this build wouldn't be much on Zodiac for example, because of the large potential failure rate. Savior played in no way with thoughts going ahead into the mid-late game, that proxy would be a huge lyability and get him raped later on like against Stork on this same map. Besides, I'll be convinced when I see this happen on Fantasy or Katrina, for now I still doubt Savior's ability to take Bisu straight up standard.


i dunno, he's already shown his ability to innovate new standard builds (4gas muta) which happens to be even more suited for the 4player maps. i dont think you can be too certain in predicting that bisu>savior straightup already..


But free didn't even get a second stargate. T.T
404.Nintu
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1723 Posts
November 23 2007 10:56 GMT
#343
On November 23 2007 19:53 Aillusion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2007 19:49 TheTyranid wrote:
WHAT NOW BISUCKS?? MA JAE YOON FIGHTIIIIING

I'm sorry for yelling, but my soul has just been healed.

[image loading]
owned.



couldnt agree more, i can die without regret now knowin savior raped bisu

k
"So, then did the American yum-yum clown monkey also represent the FCC?"
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
November 23 2007 10:56 GMT
#344
On November 23 2007 19:55 amorpheus wrote:
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couldnt agree more, i can die without regret now knowin savior raped bisu


it's still one game and savior wont steal more than that

Hard to tell - he has one week to prepare a similar counter on one of the other maps, that is all he has to achieve now, while Bisu is stuck with analysing how to deal with the timing hydras.
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000.Zulu
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany83 Posts
November 23 2007 10:57 GMT
#345
It is still a best of 3 and nothings over yet... ^^
Omnes rera cum vis cogitationis et finirit si quam unus cogitatio conservatio virium manet.
SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
November 23 2007 10:58 GMT
#346
On November 23 2007 19:53 Aesop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2007 19:50 Hot_Bid wrote:
Aesop, there's rarely a counter in "all situations"

I know, that is why I was unhappy with "definitive counter" in the post I quoted.

k, here's some implied prepositional phrases that i just happened to forget to add, you can pick and choose

for that game

on that map

in that situation
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-23 11:02:15
November 23 2007 10:58 GMT
#347
On November 23 2007 19:51 teamsolid wrote:
Didn't Savior attempt this exact build against Stork? If I remember correctly, that was the map that Stork won out of their BO3 series.

Same builds different use for it
In his game vs stork he kept on making drones offensive sunkening
In this game he used the proxy hatch to send slow overlords faster

This was pretty much the same thing ggplay did to stork except stork didnt go dt. And bisu's reaction was pretty slow. He started reacting after savior killed his first cannon
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
~chut~
Profile Joined September 2003
France1317 Posts
November 23 2007 10:59 GMT
#348
On November 23 2007 19:55 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2007 19:52 Sunyveil wrote:
remember, savior's victory in the Ro8 means that Jaedong doesn't have to play any Toss player in the OSL (in other words, uncontested victory)


wtf?!

Savior just won the first game?!?! AND WHY DO YOU FORGET STORK


Stork has very little chance against Savior. He's also the underdog against Bisu, but that's still better. It's gonna be hard for him to get to the final either way.
amorpheus
Profile Joined May 2007
Bulgaria2144 Posts
November 23 2007 10:59 GMT
#349
Hard to tell - he has one week to prepare a similar counter on one of the other maps, that is all he has to achieve now, while Bisu is stuck with analysing how to deal with the timing hydras.


I'm not saying its the easiest thing on Earth just making predictions
Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
November 23 2007 10:59 GMT
#350
On November 23 2007 19:58 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
k, here's some implied prepositional phrases that i just happened to forget to add, you can pick and choose

Nevermind, I understood your implications after your first clarification, but then it looked like I was suggesting there was a definitive counter. So lets not discuss further.
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abcb
Profile Joined November 2007
United States136 Posts
November 23 2007 11:00 GMT
#351
the op post is too awesome LOL
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 23 2007 11:00 GMT
#352
Stork red 1:00 Nostalgia
Flash white 7:00 RoV
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SpiritoftheTunA
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
United States20903 Posts
November 23 2007 11:01 GMT
#353
On November 23 2007 19:56 IaniAniaN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2007 19:55 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
On November 23 2007 19:52 IaniAniaN wrote:
On November 23 2007 19:47 SpiritoftheTuna wrote:
On November 23 2007 19:45 IaniAniaN wrote:
Savior has to rely on a timing attack as I thought he would, but he won't pull it off on the maps with more than 2 players, he can't take the same risk and will be forced to play more standard.


I dunno, i think it's ironic how you're pinning savior down as a one-trick pony vs bisu when all bisu ever does against protoss is his epononymous build

EDIT: flameguard: in serious games, that is


I'm just sayin' that this build wouldn't be much on Zodiac for example, because of the large potential failure rate. Savior played in no way with thoughts going ahead into the mid-late game, that proxy would be a huge lyability and get him raped later on like against Stork on this same map. Besides, I'll be convinced when I see this happen on Fantasy or Katrina, for now I still doubt Savior's ability to take Bisu straight up standard.


i dunno, he's already shown his ability to innovate new standard builds (4gas muta) which happens to be even more suited for the 4player maps. i dont think you can be too certain in predicting that bisu>savior straightup already..


But free didn't even get a second stargate. T.T


he did have ht + archons + cannons, which he obviously thought were enough to handle it...

though you're right, if bisu can get his critical mass sairs rolling, 4gas muta might not be as pretty
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17743 Posts
November 23 2007 11:01 GMT
#354
On November 23 2007 19:59 ~chut~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 23 2007 19:55 Shauni wrote:
On November 23 2007 19:52 Sunyveil wrote:
remember, savior's victory in the Ro8 means that Jaedong doesn't have to play any Toss player in the OSL (in other words, uncontested victory)


wtf?!

Savior just won the first game?!?! AND WHY DO YOU FORGET STORK


Stork has very little chance against Savior. He's also the underdog against Bisu, but that's still better. It's gonna be hard for him to get to the final either way.

He meant stork and bisu to knock out jaedong.
ils
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
Brutalisk
Profile Joined February 2007
794 Posts
November 23 2007 11:01 GMT
#355
The build was obviously designed for Blue Storm. It's also not the first time he tried proxy hatch. He did that against some other P and failed, IIRC. Wasn't it against Stork?
Bisu didn't scout it in time and had to face the consequences. It was a good build against Bisu's standard build. But it probably wouldn't work a second time.
Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4952 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-11-23 11:03:03
November 23 2007 11:01 GMT
#356
On November 23 2007 19:50 zulu_nation8 wrote:
genius build, finally something creative and new in starcraft


Was that ironic? In the case it wasn't, rofl @ you.
Complete the cycle!
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 23 2007 11:02 GMT
#357
Stork, continuing with his risky early builds, goes 14nex
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
November 23 2007 11:02 GMT
#358
The 14 nex will work too, Flash is scouting the wrong way
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malkavian47
Profile Joined June 2007
Croatia114 Posts
November 23 2007 11:02 GMT
#359
On November 23 2007 20:00 abcb wrote:
the op post is too awesome LOL


ROFL
die FireBatUrkel
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
November 23 2007 11:03 GMT
#360
Yes. Credit to Savior, but Bisu played retarded. He should't have made that stupid dt-sair build on that map. I thought he knew what was coming but obviously not... An early speedzeal build would have raped Savior there. At least he could have put a cannonline up when he was denied scouting.
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