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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i19.tinypic.com/6f7dn2p.jpg) EVER OSL 2007 Ro8 Week 1  UpMagiC < Persona > HwasinLight < Katrina >  JaedongsAviOr < Blue Storm >  BisuStork < Fantasy II > Flash"Resurrection" ![[image loading]](http://img108.imageshack.us/img108/7914/maestroxj6.jpg) Results: + Show Spoiler + UpMagiC > Hwasin Light < Jaedong  R E S U R R E C T I O N Stork > Flash | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/ManaBlue/Rock_Jaedong_StarC1/rock.jpg) | ||
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SK.Testie
Canada11084 Posts
BISU... DON'T MAKE ME CHOOSE | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
did you mean to put Jaedong's shot? | ||
Carnac
Germany / USA16648 Posts
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Aepplet
Sweden2908 Posts
On November 23 2007 07:08 anch wrote: wtf does Rock have to do with this? did you mean to put Jaedong's shot? i was looking for the picture of savior and jaedong but couldn't find it so i settled for that one. | ||
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Musli
Poland5130 Posts
JaeDong w/e Flash I choose you ! | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
sAviOr < Blue Storm > BisuSo you felt it, but you don't know Why you can't explain at all ... Reach out today now I emplore you... to remember who you are ... Return to days when you knew you still felt alive | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13004 Posts
Up vs Hwasin is a coinflip. My coin says Hwasin. Light vs Jaedong... I'll pick Jaedong but with no confidence. Katrina doesn't seem very kind to zergs in ZvT. Savior vs Bisu. Bisu is strong vs Savior, but I think Savior has really worked on his ZvP lately. My coin says Bisu (fuck you coin). Flash vs Stork. If the game goes past 10mins Stork will win. Flash will no doubt try some babo cheese. It may work, but I hope it doesn't. I'll go with Storky. | ||
Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
Light > Jaedong (upset?!) Bisu > Savior Stork > Flash No resurrection here, rather burial of the zergs. | ||
KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i12.tinypic.com/6kpaip3.jpg) Zerg Powah! Stork! | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On November 23 2007 07:32 RowdierBob wrote: Savior vs Bisu. Bisu is strong vs Savior, but I think Savior has really worked on his ZvP lately. My coin says Bisu (fuck you coin). I hate when my money is heretic too  UpMagic > HwaSin Jaedong > Light sAviOr > Bisu (it's time for a comeback) Stork > Flash | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
Light > Jaedong , Light is hotttt Savior > Bisu , Bisu sucks in this map Stork > Flash , Storks pvt is just too good cant wait. | ||
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
On November 23 2007 08:16 KizZBG wrote: Up! Zerg Powah! Stork! There it is. Damn UpMagiC/Savior BO5  | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
DAUM Pot Player: Install guide, FAQ Yaoyuan: link SC2.org: Link, Guide GOM TV: YOU CAN'T WATCH OSL ON GOMPLAYER. Please try all three/read the guides before flooding this thread with help questions. They don't work 100% of the time, but at least one should. They all use Internet Explorer. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
Maybe i can find some cool banner to click on tomorrow or i'll have to launch some help questions | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
AKA "The Mind Haters Invitational Tournament" | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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Brutalisk
794 Posts
Bisu vs Savior is probably going to be a lot closer this time... Bisu will be less confident in his skill after his loss to Mind in the final (psychological issue) and Savior had more than enough time to refine his ZvP just for this match. | ||
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afdagfhds3gdg2
United States77 Posts
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yayacamel
Singapore16 Posts
Support the two Zerg! | ||
pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8094/2311gl4.jpg) | ||
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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beyondie
Niger112 Posts
both attract great interest to osl | ||
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himurakenshin
Canada1845 Posts
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V_DrOp)Reaver
United States64 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
UpMagic -- Lesser of two evils. I'm still bitter about the Chinese tournament debacle. Please fade away, Hwasin. Light -- I think Jaedong is going to bring it on hard and I hope to see Light bring it on hard back. I think Light needs support :o Bisu -- I'm a fan of NaDa, Bisu, and sAviOr, in that order, so I'll always cheer for those players according to that priority. Stork -- Hard for me to not cheer for a great Protoss player. I'm tired of making predictions. I'm just a cheerleader now. | ||
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On November 23 2007 10:27 Jyvblamo wrote: This Savior vs Bisu game would be so much more awesome if the MSL finals had been Savior vs Bisu as well. I don't agree, I think it's much better this way. They both want OSL a hundred times more now. And plus, this is their first official meeting since the MSL finals awhile ago so yeah, this game/series is much more intense because they haven't met yet; it's just too bad it's only a bo3. [edit] I can't wait to see the Liquibet numbers for Bisu and Savior. Bisu will probably get more but it will be interesting what the actual numbers are. | ||
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Brutalisk
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NonY
8748 Posts
On November 23 2007 14:24 boghat wrote: [edit] I can't wait to see the Liquibet numbers for Bisu and Savior. Bisu will probably get more but it will be interesting what the actual numbers are. I'd bet on Bisu getting more votes for the 2nd game than this one. But whether he gets the majority for either of them, it's hard to say. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On November 23 2007 14:33 NonY[rC] wrote: I'd bet on Bisu getting more votes for the 2nd game than this one. But whether he gets the majority for either of them, it's hard to say. Uh... the votes are based on the series? Not sure why, but that's the way it is. :0 | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
I also like someone's point before about the OSL, that the first and second/third games being split up could be a good thing in that if someone has a bad day they can redeem themselves on a different day. That does make sense to me. I still wish it was a BO5 though. | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
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IdrA
United States11541 Posts
On November 23 2007 14:32 Brutalisk wrote: Oh wait a sec... the map is Blue Storm. Tough map for ZvP. This probably goes to Bisu, slump or not. uh slump? he lost ONE series. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
one finals series loss does not a slump make if he is bounced from the OSL by Savior though... if this happens we'll have to see how Bisu does in ODT | ||
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Scorpion
United States1974 Posts
I can't figure out any of this Korean text. It was easy with the MSL because you can just see "msl" and click that but with the OSL, I can't find it XD | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
Pwnt, beotch. ![[image loading]](http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/5833/222ht6.gif) GG | ||
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spetial
United States688 Posts
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
On November 23 2007 15:53 spetial wrote: bisu is gonna face trounce savior I'll quote this when bisu looses.  | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
UpMagiC < Persona > Hwasin Light < Katrina > Jaedong sAviOr < Blue Storm > Bisu Stork < Fantasy II > Flash | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
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Blind
United States2528 Posts
Light < Jaedong Savior > Bisu Stork > Flash | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
UpMagic > Hwasin Light > Jaedong Savior > Bisu Stork > Flash | ||
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V_DrOp)Reaver
United States64 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Jaedong > light Savior > bisu Stork > flash | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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Shauni
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
>_> | ||
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rosas
Philippines66 Posts
 . GOGO BISU! | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4115 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:28 Hot_Bid wrote: I will be live reporting, hopefully TL.net won't randomly lag in between like during two nights ago's OSC. The problem with lagging comes from IExplore, use mozilla to watch the games/browsing and you wont have any troubles | ||
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V_DrOp)Reaver
United States64 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:30 M2 wrote: The problem with lagging comes from IExplore, use mozilla to watch the games/browsing and you wont have any troubles I use Daum for the stream and Firefox for TL.net. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
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RaiSad
United States325 Posts
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Hot_Bid
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iD.SquaLL
Spain250 Posts
Light > Jaedong - Katrina is such a bad map for ZvsT even for Jaedong. Light will win today but Jaedong will win the series. Savior > Bisu - My head says Bisu will win this series, but my heart is with Maestro, so even If I think Savior will never be the player he was 1 year ago, I'll root him forever d Stork > Flash - I love Stork PvsT, the guy plays so beautifull, I like Flash style too, agressive with a so nice macro, but that won't be enough against an experienced player as Stork. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Hwasin White @ 2:00 UpMagic Purple @ 6:00 | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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Kuja900
United States3564 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Up placed his rax at this front large ramp, and still has no gas | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On November 23 2007 09:20 LonelyMargarita wrote: You should be able to watch on: DAUM Pot Player: Install guide, FAQ Yaoyuan: link SC2.org: Link, Guide Please try all three/read the guides before flooding this thread with help questions. They don't work 100% of the time, but at least one should. They all use Internet Explorer. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:38 Hot_Bid wrote: Hwasin sporting a cross necklace, not a big surprise since he prays before and after matches. 간지품 | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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Hot_Bid
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
more importantly, Up scouted 2 factories and a machine shop | ||
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Hot_Bid
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Up's natural is complete and he has now a 3rd factory started, one add on researching something | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
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Hot_Bid
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LonelyMargarita
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Aesop
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GTR
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Australia8434 Posts
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Shauni
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Deleted User 31060
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
he'll pull through. gods arent finished with hwasin yet. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
... Return to days when you knew you still felt alive Reveal the way you felt when you could look inside They sold you Everything you need to fix you up And you feel good now but you can't wake up They found a way to reassure you (That everything would be okay) Reach out today now I emplore you to remember who you are Return to days when you knew you still felt alive Reveal the way you felt when you could look inside So you felt it, but you don't know Why you can't explain at all Why you felt it 'cause you don't know No, you don't know ... Return to days when you knew you still felt alive Reveal the way you felt when you could look inside | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
Watching Light Vs Jaedong on tau cross and arcadia Im looking so forward to this | ||
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WingSandrockX
Korea (North)1164 Posts
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
The game went exactly how I knew it would, good shit UpMagic~ | ||
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wittgenstein
Germany13 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
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trollbone
France1905 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:49 wittgenstein wrote: Hi all, I'm new here, I'd like to contribute to this site by live reporting tonight I think Hot_Bid has it covered, thanks though | ||
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:50 Vivi57 wrote: Imagine how hwasin must have felt when up started a cc at hwasin's nat at the end just like Mind starting a CC at the expo at 5 at the end of Game 4 of MSL finals | ||
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Brutalisk
794 Posts
Now for the real deal.  | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
I remember the calendar showing bo1 the last time I looked at it. On November 23 2007 18:51 Brutalisk wrote: God bless TvTs which are over fast. Now for the real deal. tvt's are rarely over fast. I'm glad that one was pretty quick. | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:49 wittgenstein wrote: Hi all, I'm new here, I'd like to contribute to this site by live reporting tonight I think Hot_Bid is already reporting, but you can ask him... | ||
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joohyunee
Korea (South)1087 Posts
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wittgenstein
Germany13 Posts
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Hot_Bid
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wittgenstein
Germany13 Posts
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
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Jonteman
Sweden644 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:53 wittgenstein wrote: Which stream are you using may I ask? Daum player | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:51 PuertoRican wrote: So why does it show bo3 for the liquibet, when it looks like it's just 1 game for each match. I remember the calendar showing bo1 the last time I looked at it. tvt's are rarely over fast. I'm glad that one was pretty quick. Because it was bo3 to begin with? I don't know... I seem to recall it being each individual match last season but my memory may be sketchy. :S | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:51 PuertoRican wrote: So why does it show bo3 for the liquibet, when it looks like it's just 1 game for each match. I remember the calendar showing bo1 the last time I looked at it. I thought this Liquibet is for the winner of the series, so it won't be finished until next week. | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
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Brutalisk
794 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:51 PuertoRican wrote: tvt's are rarely over fast. I'm glad that one was pretty quick. Yes, me too... that's what I meant. Fast TvTs = good. Especially if that pesky TvT is right before 3 interesting games. | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
3788 Posts
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M2
Bulgaria4115 Posts
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:54 blagoonga123 wrote: And please include the current score of every game. Yes, we know it's 0-0 for all of them, but not everyone knows, so including the score will be absolutely unavoidable.Hot_Bid, can you start every post with "Hot Bid here reporting" | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:50 Vivi57 wrote: Imagine how hwasin must have felt when up started a cc at hwasin's nat at the end The same feeling when bisu used scouts vs him | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
This is Jaedong's first OSL, and his royal road starts here. Will the nerves get the best of him? | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:54 Aesop wrote: I thought this Liquibet is for the winner of the series, so it won't be finished until next week. Usually, if it's a bo3 liquibet, that means all games are played in 1 night, and you get 3 or so points for it. If it's a bo3 but only 1 match gets played tonight, then it should only be 1 point for the liquibet like usual. If some new rule went into effect, I must've missed it. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
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StylishVODs
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 18:58 PuertoRican wrote: Usually, if it's a bo3 liquibet, that means all games are played in 1 night, and you get 3 or so points for it. If it's a bo3 but only 1 match gets played tonight, then it should only be 1 point for the liquibet like usual. If some new rule went into effect, I must've missed it. The liquibet is for the entire series and the results will be updated after next week. | ||
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GTR
51419 Posts
Off-topic, but watching The Biggest Loser on TV and OSL on computer? LOL. | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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PoP
France15446 Posts
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Deleted User 31060
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Brutalisk
794 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
It's really hard for non Z armies to traverse the map, making the mobility difference even greater. By the time T or P armies can reach the far-outlay expos, Zs can respond with sunkens and defense in time. Mutas, however, are not hindered by terrain and almost every Z player opens Muta vs T on this map. Once the Z gets to Nydus without major eco damage early on, it's likely over. Light has to damage Jaedong before hive. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:01 Brutalisk wrote: Katrina isn't good for ZvT I think. Chances may be even. Katrina is great for ZvT... | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Light teal 12:00 | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:01 Sunyveil wrote: Imagine Jaedong's ZvT record if Sheis didn't exist. imagine his record if he only played vs IdrA!! no offence :/ | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
it was cool gay red hair, it always seemed to clash with his face | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
12 hatch from Jaedong at his back natural SECRET OMG + Show Spoiler + | ||
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wittgenstein
Germany13 Posts
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RaiSad
United States325 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Will we see the 4 port wraith build that Nada used? Jaedong's Ovie scouts the refinery, this likely means Light is dead rofl | ||
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malkavian47
Croatia114 Posts
Bisu and Savior - Can't decide who to cheer for T_T | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Vulture popping soon | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
The vulture will likely wait for a second one before trying to sneak in past the sunken | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Wraith building | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Jaedong makes 2 evos to block entrance from vultures | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Light starting turrets | ||
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wittgenstein
Germany13 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Wraith gets another Ovie kill on the left side of the map, a VALK pops out | ||
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Croatia114 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Jaedong lings moving out after killing his own evo block, Jaedong threatening with muta ling, Light has nothing | ||
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Canada555 Posts
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Hungary11284 Posts
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Australia8434 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Everyone should've seen this coming though, Light lost to Kwanro and Jaedong's way better at ZvT. | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
I was expecting Light to play good tvz, at least making 1 goliath with his factory that was just sitting there. He also had barely any offensive buildings. 1 starport, 1 fact, 1 barracks, and had his exp up for a decent amount of time. | ||
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United States20903 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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Puosu
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wittgenstein
Germany13 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
For Savior, this is a chance to finally show some progress since GomTV1. If he can beat Bisu, maybe he can ride that momentum to a second OSL win? He needs it, and so do his fans. He will likely use his Muta-only build on Blue Storm, abusing Muta mobility and getting +1 air armor while taking several gas bases and defending with lots of sunkens. Bisu, coming off his loss to Mind in the GomTV3 Finals, will try to show that nothing is wrong and that there's not even a possibility of a slump. Bisu will almost definitely FE, and the key for him will be whether he can not lose his early Sairs. If he loses a few of them early on to scourges or muta, Savior will win. | ||
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Deleted User 31060
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
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wittgenstein
Germany13 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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000.Zulu
Germany83 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
Go SAVIOR FIGHTING | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:17 000.Zulu wrote: How long is the current vs. T winning streak of Jaedong atm? 1 win. He lost his previous game against Sheis. If you count MBC Survivor Qualifiers he is back up to 3-0. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:17 wittgenstein wrote: Thank you for the spot-on analysis Hot_Bid Zulunation cut it out, it's not funny. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:17 skindzer wrote: If savior doesnt win this one, he wont take the series. He needs to regain momentum My thoughts excatly i dont see savior taking 2 games in a row vs bisu | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:17 000.Zulu wrote: How long is the current vs. T winning streak of Jaedong atm? 1 He just lost to Sheis who broke a 12 win streak of his | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
the only PvZ i remember watching on this map was ra's cannonrush rape of orion, but TLPD says it's been relatively even bisu doesn't like this map for sure though | ||
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GTR
51419 Posts
roffle | ||
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Shauni
4077 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:14 Puosu wrote: Bisu is (in my opinion) the only one right now who can stop JaeDong from winning this OSL, he is just godly. You forgot Stork... | ||
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wittgenstein
Germany13 Posts
thanks for that | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:19 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: Blue storm... the only PvZ i remember watching on this map was ra's cannonrush rape of orion, but TLPD says it's been relatively even bisu doesn't like this map for sure though The map itself is good for PvZ. Bisu has had coinflip success on it PvT, doesn't mean he doesn't like it PvZ. | ||
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Hot_Bid
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You are welcome, please stop posting with this account. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:21 skindzer wrote: BTW why didnt savior play xellos? MSL has no 3rd place match They get assinged 3-4th place rank | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:21 skindzer wrote: BTW why didnt savior play xellos? Edit: oh, i see you mean MSL 3rd place Because MSL seeds top 8, 3/4 match is pointless, OSL 3/4 match is important because 3rd place gets a seed into the next OSL. | ||
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Brutalisk
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
i predict FE from bisu and more aggressive expanding by savior cause i dont see how savior can break bisu outright on this map, other than maybe scourging some corsairs like hotbid said | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
Edit edited out the "Xellos not in OSL", too bad | ||
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China26351 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:23 Brutalisk wrote: Blue Storm has few resources. If Savior tries a macro war against Bisu he will probably lose. I hope he'll go low-eco aggressive July style. Which is the most entertaining style anyway. lawl complete opposite but yeah, you're right on the fact that savior can easily lose a long-term macro war... air distances are way too short and he simply cant let bisu gain air superiority. also the fact that a group of zeals can rape shit pretty quickly | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
The muta build that he does sometimes opens with pool-gas to deny scouting probe though, we'll see. | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:25 oneofthem wrote: that was a weird game. lighto's build should have been tested against stuff like 'exposed starport!' in practice. He covered it with turret but Jaedong killed it. The mutas came earlier than Light expected, because Jaedong got a bit lucky with positions and ovie scouting, saw rax/refinery, and went gas before 3rd hatch so earlier lair and spire. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:25 Hot_Bid wrote: He has a brand new build, the pure-muta-sunk --> guardian one. He will use it tonight I believe. I do not think Savior will try a ling allin or a fast strat. The muta build that he does sometimes opens with pool-gas to deny scouting probe though, we'll see. the one he used vs free on zodiac? or some other space terrain map.. | ||
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Deleted User 31060
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Puosu
6984 Posts
*Endgame boss appears* | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
JAAEEEEEEEEEEEE YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON (fighting) | ||
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:27 Hot_Bid wrote: yea, about 2 turrets. probably got them too late, although the placement of the starport was mainly to avoid scouting. it is timing after all. He covered it with turret but Jaedong killed it. | ||
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zulu_nation8
China26351 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:25 Hot_Bid wrote: He has a brand new build, the pure-muta-sunk --> guardian one. He will use it tonight I believe. I do not think Savior will try a ling allin or a fast strat. The muta build that he does sometimes opens with pool-gas to deny scouting probe though, we'll see. 4th gas is really hard to take on blue storm, i'd be surprised if he used that build | ||
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Deleted User 31060
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On November 23 2007 19:25 Hot_Bid wrote: He has a brand new build, the pure-muta-sunk --> guardian one. He will use it tonight I believe. I do not think Savior will try a ling allin or a fast strat. The muta build that he does sometimes opens with pool-gas to deny scouting probe though, we'll see. I think part of that strat relied on the fact that zodiac is a 4-player map and the expos are farther away from each other, so free had to overextend himself | ||
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LonelyMargarita
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On November 23 2007 19:27 Sunyveil wrote: lmao it sounds like people are dying in the crowd when savior appeared Seriously, how would anyone know if there was an earthquake or fire in the studio? It would just sound the same. | ||
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GTR
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
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VerticalHorizon
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
resurrection time | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
i think savior gonn have to donkey punch a protoss bitch | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:28 zulu_nation8 wrote: 4th gas is really hard to take on blue storm, i'd be surprised if he used that build He used it in proleague on Blue Storm, don't see why he wouldn't use it here. | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:30 Hot_Bid wrote: He used it in proleague on Blue Storm, don't see why he wouldn't use it here. beesuit build will > it. especially in the hands of Bisu. | ||
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RaiSad
United States325 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:30 .dragoon wrote: Damn I fell asleep, woke up right in time for Savior Bisu. resurrection time so, have you updated the results yet? | ||
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skindzer
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Aillusion
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Hot_Bid
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Hot_Bid
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Savior Yellow 1:00 | ||
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VerticalHorizon
United States415 Posts
savior yellow zerg @ 1 | ||
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rushz0rz
Canada5300 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:32 Hot_Bid wrote: Beesuit is actually a build that the Muta build counters.... the early DTs kill the archon/templar count. But Bisu gets more corsairs, especially if he sees a muta build. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:29 LonelyMargarita wrote: Seriously, how would anyone know if there was an earthquake or fire in the studio? It would just sound the same. it sounds like a boy band concert in korea | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On November 23 2007 19:33 RaiSad wrote: savior needs to win this game, ha cannot win 2 games in a row vs Bisu, I think that makes noooo sense but sure | ||
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Hot_Bid
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RaiSad
United States325 Posts
Savior please win this T___T | ||
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VerticalHorizon
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Hydra den!!! different build than muta | ||
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Aesop
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SpiritoftheTunA
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i distinctly remember savior trying to 3hat hydra bisu's FE on geometry in superfight 5 didn't end well but maybe it was cause it was geometry? | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Beesuit build progressing normally, savior still denying scouting hydras moving in, Bisu forced to make cannons at main nex, corsair out | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
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malkavian47
Croatia114 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:33 Hot_Bid wrote: Savior 11 pool gas, this is 100% the Muta build coming well, not really | ||
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KimHyung
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On November 23 2007 19:37 Aesop wrote: So savior trying to overrun the build with 3 hatch hydra? Or what is the plan? Ask him after the game | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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On November 23 2007 19:38 HonestTea wrote: Plan is to limit Bisu's mobility thorugh offensive sunkens? yeah, maybe getting a tight contain so DTs cant get out without shuttles in the first place or something </crappytheorycraft> | ||
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VerticalHorizon
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Hot_Bid
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SpiritoftheTunA
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*points to previous post regarding geometry* | ||
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VerticalHorizon
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Hot_Bid
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Bisu's 2 DTs at Savior's nat do nothing, Savior has this | ||
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Mango
Belgium522 Posts
Did he pull trough??? | ||
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Aesop
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Hot_Bid
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Proxy hatch was brilliant, allowed for slowlord ovie reinforcement | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
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THIS is the definitive counter to bisu build | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:42 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: THIS is the definitive counter to bisu build Doesn't it really depend on your proxy hatch not being scouted? Without the overlord reinforcements DTs would have repelled the push. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
OMG THE FUCKING FANS ARE GOING CRAZY THEY SOUND LIKE THEYRE DYING ROFL GGGGGGG SAVIOR!! GOGOGOG SAVIORR | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
Savior 19-3 PvZ in official games since his MSL final loss \o/ | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
HERE WE GO YO SO WHATS THE WHATS THE WHATS THE SCENARIO | ||
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
fuking beautiful is what it is | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:43 Aesop wrote: Doesn't it really depend on your proxy hatch not being scouted? Without the overlord reinforcements DTs would have repelled the push. did you not see how careful savior was on stopping scouts did you not realize the entire purpose of the proxy hat was to proxy slow ovies over | ||
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Vietnam281 Posts
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Sigrun
United States1654 Posts
I'm sure Bisu will be sure to scout for any possibility of proxy hatches next game, so this probably won't work next time. | ||
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blagoonga123
United States2068 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:43 Naib wrote: Bisu going downfall now, just like sAvior did after that 0-3! (You heard it here first!) Sorry but there's no way I heard it here first lol. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
What was key here was savior's 8 lings denied about 4 scouting probes, so Bisu had no idea whether there were 2 hatches, 3 hatches, lair, muta, hydra, speedling allin, anything... So he had to make main nexus cannons before his corsair was done, and his cannons at his nat were positioned against a ling attack, and he lost to a hydra push he had no clue was coming until the hydras moved in Bisu managed to kill 2 stacked ovies allowing his DT to rape like 10 hydras, but Savior's proxy hatch meant a slow lord was coming really fast, and thus didn't have to wait until ovie speed. | ||
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VerticalHorizon
United States415 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:43 Aesop wrote: Doesn't it really depend on your proxy hatch not being scouted? Without the overlord reinforcements DTs would have repelled the push. Savior went fast pool/speed JUST to deny scouting probes | ||
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PuertoRican
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Hot_Bid
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:44 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: did you not see how careful savior was on stopping scouts did you not realize the entire purpose of the proxy hat was to proxy slow ovies over Yes, but a definite counter would, for me at least, require to be applicable in all situations. That it worked on this map, at this time, and that Savior executed it really well, no question. But to call it a definite counter is too much. | ||
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United States900 Posts
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malkavian47
Croatia114 Posts
Savior won, but I feel no pity or sadness for Bisu. Savior it is. | ||
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Brutalisk
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Deleted User 31060
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On November 23 2007 19:42 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: GENIUS use of proxy overlord THIS is the definitive counter to bisu build I think it will only work on a 2 player map though, if savior doesn't find bisu fast with this build it might fail | ||
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China26351 Posts
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Hot_Bid
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~chut~
France1317 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:43 Highways wrote: hydra push is cheap I hate those kind of comments. It's always the same... "2 fact vult is cheap" "fast dt is cheap" "mass lings is cheap" Who cares? He analysed Bisu's bo and found a counter, that's strategy and that's great. | ||
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VerticalHorizon
United States415 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:46 Hot_Bid wrote: The key here really is the denial of information, Savior traded eco for no scouts from Bisu by making speedlings This also forced Bisu to send his first sair STRAIGHT to Savior's base, basically ignoring the proxy OL already stationed near his expo because he was THAT desperate for information/recon. By the time the sair got to Savior's base, the hydra push had already started. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:45 IaniAniaN wrote: Savior has to rely on a timing attack as I thought he would, but he won't pull it off on the maps with more than 2 players, he can't take the same risk and will be forced to play more standard. I dunno, i think it's ironic how you're pinning savior down as a one-trick pony vs bisu when all bisu ever does against protoss is his epononymous build EDIT: flameguard: in serious games, that is | ||
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DragoonPK
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SAVIOR FIGHTING | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:46 Aesop wrote: Yes, but a definite counter would, for me at least, require to be applicable in all situations. That it worked on this map, at this time, and that Savior executed it really well, no question. But to call it a definite counter is too much. i never said it was a counter build for all situations i said it was a perfect counter, which it was in that game | ||
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
I'm sorry for yelling, but my soul has just been healed. | ||
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skindzer
Chile5114 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:41 Ace wrote: lol the maestro returns! He never leaved. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:49 TheTyranid wrote: WHAT NOW BISUCKS?? MA JAE YOON FIGHTIIIIING I'm sorry for yelling, but my soul has just been healed. LOL | ||
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abcb
United States136 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Savior's build, scout denial into range hydra with slowlord proxy was the perfect counter to beesuit, the timing was 100% practiced against Beesuit | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
He definitely left, and I'm not so sure he's back. He's definitely still there ZvP, but his ZvT is really suspect still. | ||
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:45 IaniAniaN wrote: Savior has to rely on a timing attack as I thought he would, but he won't pull it off on the maps with more than 2 players, he can't take the same risk and will be forced to play more standard. Yeah cuz Savior is definitely not known for his endgame.. | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:47 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: I dunno, i think it's ironic how you're pinning savior down as a one-trick pony vs bisu when all bisu ever does against protoss is his epononymous build EDIT: flameguard: in serious games, that is I'm just sayin' that this build wouldn't be much on Zodiac for example, because of the large potential failure rate. Savior played in no way with thoughts going ahead into the mid-late game, that proxy would be a huge lyability and get him raped later on like against Stork on this same map. Besides, I'll be convinced when I see this happen on Fantasy or Katrina, for now I still doubt Savior's ability to take Bisu straight up standard. EDIT: I;m not ripping Savior's brilliance and timing, but you can hardly count bisu out on the maps coming up. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:51 teamsolid wrote: Didn't Savior attempt this exact build against Stork? If I remember correctly, that was the map that Stork won out of their BO3 series. no he was like offensive sunken pushing or some shit lol was an epic fail | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:50 Hot_Bid wrote: Aesop, there's rarely a counter in "all situations" I know, that is why I was unhappy with "definitive counter" in the post I quoted. | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:47 ~chut~ wrote: I hate those kind of comments. It's always the same... "2 fact vult is cheap" "fast dt is cheap" "mass lings is cheap" Who cares? He analysed Bisu's bo and found a counter, that's strategy and that's great. Whatever beats your favorite player is "cheap." | ||
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samachking
Bahrain4949 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:52 Sunyveil wrote: remember, savior's victory in the Ro8 means that Jaedong doesn't have to play any Toss player in the OSL (in other words, uncontested victory) Heh GO JAEDONG FIGHTING Take this OSL But whats this feeling i have, I feel that upmagic will make an upset and take this OSL like GGplay and Sync and Casy did before him | ||
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Aillusion
United States103 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:49 TheTyranid wrote: WHAT NOW BISUCKS?? MA JAE YOON FIGHTIIIIING I'm sorry for yelling, but my soul has just been healed. couldnt agree more, i can die without regret now knowin savior raped bisu | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:52 IaniAniaN wrote: I'm just sayin' that this build wouldn't be much on Zodiac for example, because of the large potential failure rate. Savior played in no way with thoughts going ahead into the mid-late game, that proxy would be a huge lyability and get him raped later on like against Stork on this same map. Besides, I'll be convinced when I see this happen on Fantasy or Katrina, for now I still doubt Savior's ability to take Bisu straight up standard. i dunno, he's already shown his ability to innovate new standard builds (4gas muta) which happens to be even more suited for the 4player maps. i dont think you can be too certain in predicting that bisu>savior straightup already.. | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
couldnt agree more, i can die without regret now knowin savior raped bisu it's still one game and savior wont steal more than that | ||
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Shauni
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On November 23 2007 19:52 Sunyveil wrote: remember, savior's victory in the Ro8 means that Jaedong doesn't have to play any Toss player in the OSL (in other words, uncontested victory) wtf?! Savior just won the first game?!?! AND WHY DO YOU FORGET STORK | ||
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IaniAniaN
Canada555 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:55 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: i dunno, he's already shown his ability to innovate new standard builds (4gas muta) which happens to be even more suited for the 4player maps. i dont think you can be too certain in predicting that bisu>savior straightup already.. But free didn't even get a second stargate. T.T | ||
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:53 Aillusion wrote: couldnt agree more, i can die without regret now knowin savior raped bisu k | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:55 amorpheus wrote: it's still one game and savior wont steal more than that Hard to tell - he has one week to prepare a similar counter on one of the other maps, that is all he has to achieve now, while Bisu is stuck with analysing how to deal with the timing hydras. | ||
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Germany83 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:53 Aesop wrote: I know, that is why I was unhappy with "definitive counter" in the post I quoted. k, here's some implied prepositional phrases that i just happened to forget to add, you can pick and choose for that game on that map in that situation | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:51 teamsolid wrote: Didn't Savior attempt this exact build against Stork? If I remember correctly, that was the map that Stork won out of their BO3 series. Same builds different use for it In his game vs stork he kept on making drones offensive sunkening In this game he used the proxy hatch to send slow overlords faster This was pretty much the same thing ggplay did to stork except stork didnt go dt. And bisu's reaction was pretty slow. He started reacting after savior killed his first cannon | ||
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~chut~
France1317 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:55 Shauni wrote: wtf?! Savior just won the first game?!?! AND WHY DO YOU FORGET STORK Stork has very little chance against Savior. He's also the underdog against Bisu, but that's still better. It's gonna be hard for him to get to the final either way. | ||
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amorpheus
Bulgaria2144 Posts
Hard to tell - he has one week to prepare a similar counter on one of the other maps, that is all he has to achieve now, while Bisu is stuck with analysing how to deal with the timing hydras. I'm not saying its the easiest thing on Earth just making predictions | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:58 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: k, here's some implied prepositional phrases that i just happened to forget to add, you can pick and choose Nevermind, I understood your implications after your first clarification, but then it looked like I was suggesting there was a definitive counter. So lets not discuss further. | ||
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United States136 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Flash white 7:00 RoV | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:56 IaniAniaN wrote: But free didn't even get a second stargate. T.T he did have ht + archons + cannons, which he obviously thought were enough to handle it... though you're right, if bisu can get his critical mass sairs rolling, 4gas muta might not be as pretty | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:59 ~chut~ wrote: Stork has very little chance against Savior. He's also the underdog against Bisu, but that's still better. It's gonna be hard for him to get to the final either way. He meant stork and bisu to knock out jaedong. | ||
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Brutalisk
794 Posts
Bisu didn't scout it in time and had to face the consequences. It was a good build against Bisu's standard build. But it probably wouldn't work a second time. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:50 zulu_nation8 wrote: genius build, finally something creative and new in starcraft Was that ironic? In the case it wasn't, rofl @ you. | ||
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malkavian47
Croatia114 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:00 abcb wrote: the op post is too awesome LOL ROFL | ||
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Hot_Bid
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stork sees the rush coming with probes | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
alternatively, he could 2fact and contain stork. man, i hate that nostalgia choke. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
marine makes it into the bunker with 10 health rofl | ||
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2 tanks at Flash's ramp stops 3 goons from encroaching | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:03 Shauni wrote: Yes. Credit to Savior, but Bisu played retarded. He should't have made that stupid dt-sair build on that map. I thought he knew what was coming but obviously not... An early speedzeal build would have raped Savior there. At least he could have put a cannonline up when he was denied scouting. He did but he didnt know what savior was doing so he had to add cannons in his main and he made his cannons to block a ling all in cause he saw speed. But savior went hydra | ||
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United Kingdom8173 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Flash's floating rax coming to Stork's base, will it see the stargate??? | ||
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LonelyMargarita
1845 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:03 teamsolid wrote: Hmm.. just wondering what exactly would be the counter to Savior's build on Blue Storm? If the scouting probes are denied, how can you possibly prepare cannons in time? I wouldn't make a stargate without scouting...I think fast templar tech is best suited to deal with mutas (archon) or hydras (storm) if you don't know what's coming. All the mins and gas on the fast cors really screws you if he didn't go mutas. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:07 Ilikestarcraft wrote: He did but he didnt know what savior was doing so he had to add cannons in his main and he made his cannons to block a ling all in cause he saw speed. But savior went hydra ya savior was obviously counting on bisu not to rule out 2hatch muta, cause 2hatch muta rapes you up the ass if you dont cannon your main, even if you have corsairs coming | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:03 Shauni wrote: Yes. Credit to Savior, but Bisu played retarded. He should't have made that stupid dt-sair build on that map. I thought he knew what was coming but obviously not... An early speedzeal build would have raped Savior there. At least he could have put a cannonline up when he was denied scouting. Remember Bisu vs GGPlay on Python? He put up cannon line vs hydra timing push but it never came, and GGPlay got 4 bases up and dominated. | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Stork kills 2 tanks losing 1 zealot and reaver health Flash up to 4 facs now, stork has a control group of goons, obs, 2 stargates and carriers coming | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
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Hot_Bid
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:09 teamsolid wrote: Remember Bisu vs GGPlay on Python? He put up cannon line vs hydra timing push but it never came, and GGPlay got 4 bases up and dominated. yeah honestly, i think hotbid hit the nail on the head when he said the real counter was denial of information, most of the more aggressive counters to protoss FE count on protoss not knowing exactly how you're trying to counter their FE | ||
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
Flash moving out with 6 tanks and vultures, gets one sniped by goons Flash makes a rine in Stork's base with landed rax, Flash pushing out | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
OR SO STORK THINKS | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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Naib
Hungary4843 Posts
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404.Nintu
Canada1723 Posts
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TheTyranid
Russian Federation4333 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
Lucky for Stork, Carriers PvT is a much safer card than Fast Hive ZvT. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:09 teamsolid wrote: Remember Bisu vs GGPlay on Python? He put up cannon line vs hydra timing push but it never came, and GGPlay got 4 bases up and dominated. gorush | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
All pretty short games tonight, but very entertaining | ||
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Elsi
United Kingdom8173 Posts
brutal rape ;( | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:12 HonestTea wrote: Carriers are becoming a crutch to Stork, much like how Fast Hive is a crutch for Savior. Lucky for Stork, Carriers PvT is a much safer card than Fast Hive ZvT. stork is becoming a KTF protoss XD | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:12 HonestTea wrote: Carriers are becoming a crutch to Stork, much like how Fast Hive is a crutch for Savior. Lucky for Stork, Carriers PvT is a much safer card than Fast Hive ZvT. To be fair, Carriers can be built if you're way ahead, and Stork knew from early game that he was way, way ahead. | ||
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chicken`
Germany3478 Posts
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GTR
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boghat
United States2109 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
he lost 2 critical marines to 1 zeal without even trying to move them, 2 intital marines that should've been in the bunker unforgivable | ||
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~chut~
France1317 Posts
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Puosu
6984 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:16 GTR-2-Go wrote: Flash is such a Casy He did have a quite impressive TvP streak in the beginning of his career, but it seems he really has lost it now t~t | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
losing to carriers again -.- he must really really really really hate them by now | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
yeh i knew up would win. | ||
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No_eL
Chile1438 Posts
4-4 in liquibet today!! =) | ||
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PuertoRican
United States5709 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:16 ~chut~ wrote: 3/4 "half points" today | ||
FakeSteve[TPR]
Valhalla18444 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
upmagic > hwasin i totally expected for some reason.. maybe recollections of upmagic raping another terran on persona jaedong > light light was a moron, his build had no accomodations for ground attack. prolly because he was expecting muta only (until he could safely get goli?), but he didnt handle that well enough either. savior > bisu yeahhhh savior stork > flash marine/scv rushing was dubious on monghwan in first place, fucking rush distance, but the execution was just ew. | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:14 Hot_Bid wrote: To be fair, Carriers can be built if you're way ahead, and Stork knew from early game that he was way, way ahead. True... I just worry about Stork falling into a pattern. This game was a good situation as any other to try to SPIRIT or something, play with his eco advantage. Stork chose to go Carriers, which was not a bad choice (any choice he made at that point would have worked), but it did put a strain on his money, kept him low eco, and had me slightly nervous | ||
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kjk
Malaysia100 Posts
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:19 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote: god flash's control is fucking abysmal yeah, maybe he's too used to winning with marine/scv vs protoss, didn't realize he didnt need any micro for his other cheeses though | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
so cute :3 | ||
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abcb
United States136 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:20 HonestTea wrote: True... I just worry about Stork falling into a pattern. This game was a good situation as any other to try to SPIRIT or something, play with his eco advantage. Stork chose to go Carriers, which was not a bad choice (any choice he made at that point would have worked), but it did put a strain on his money, kept him low eco, and had me slightly nervous I was also worried because stork had to send his first 2 carrier to attack without all the intecepters built. If Flash got gol earlier, flash might've able mount some kinda of defense. | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:16 GTR-2-Go wrote: So is OSL in Busan next week? No Buchon | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
Stork didn't win that game, flash lost it with his crappy bunker rush. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
If you mass cannon up the front before main vs anything other than hydra timing, you're at a huge disadvantage vs 3 hatch standard build and auto-loss vs 2 hatch muta or 4 hatch expansions. If you cannon your main first, then you lose vs hydra timing like what happened here. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:23 Vivi57 wrote: Flash had that game, you could see it on stork's face when he saw the line of scvs coming out. Stork didn't win that game, flash lost it with his crappy bunker rush. Bunker rushing that late (after factory complete) is 50/50 against 14nex anyway, no way you can say anyone "had" the game before the first micro fight | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:25 teamsolid wrote: Seriously... how do you counter Savior's denial of info/hydra timing push build? It's sort of like a guessing game. It could be one of four different openings from the zerg: 2 hatch muta, hydra timing push, 4 hatch greedy expo build, or just normal 3 hatch. If you mass cannon up the front before main vs anything other than hydra timing, you're at a huge disadvantage vs 3 hatch standard build and auto-loss vs 2 hatch muta or 4 hatch expansions. If you cannon your main first, then you lose vs hydra timing like what happened here. send like 5 probes out at a time to scout lolz | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:25 teamsolid wrote: Seriously... how do you counter Savior's denial of info/hydra timing push build? It's sort of like a guessing game. It could be one of four different openings from the zerg: 2 hatch muta, hydra timing push, 4 hatch greedy expo build, or just normal 3 hatch. If you mass cannon up the front before main vs anything other than hydra timing, you're at a huge disadvantage vs 3 hatch standard build and auto-loss vs 2 hatch muta or 4 hatch expansions. If you cannon your main first, then you lose vs hydra timing like what happened here. this is exactly right, you either a) make a lot of anti-hydra cannons --> possibly die to 3 hatch ling and normal 3 hatch eco b) make a few anti-ling cannons --> die to hydras and for both you have to guess whether savior is early muta, and make cannons at your main | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:25 teamsolid wrote: Seriously... how do you counter Savior's denial of info/hydra timing push build? It's sort of like a guessing game. It could be one of four different openings from the zerg: 2 hatch muta, hydra timing push, 4 hatch greedy expo build, or just normal 3 hatch. If you mass cannon up the front before main vs anything other than hydra timing, you're at a huge disadvantage vs 3 hatch standard build and auto-loss vs 2 hatch muta or 4 hatch expansions. If you cannon your main first, then you lose vs hydra timing like what happened here. you have to either guess right or successfully scout, neither of which bisu did no matter what kind of FE you do, this is the predicament protoss faces, i remember trying to FE when i played protoss, always got fucked over due to porr scouting. there's no safe-counter-all for protoss after they FE against aggressive builds. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4115 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:25 teamsolid wrote: Seriously... how do you counter Savior's denial of info/hydra timing push build? It's sort of like a guessing game. It could be one of four different openings from the zerg: 2 hatch muta, hydra timing push, 4 hatch greedy expo build, or just normal 3 hatch. If you mass cannon up the front before main vs anything other than hydra timing, you're at a huge disadvantage vs 3 hatch standard build and auto-loss vs 2 hatch muta or 4 hatch expansions. If you cannon your main first, then you lose vs hydra timing like what happened here. But the risk for zerg is almost the same coz if the toss guess right, zerg is dead | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:26 Hot_Bid wrote: Bunker rushing that late (after factory complete) is 50/50 against 14nex anyway, no way you can say anyone "had" the game before the first micro fight Seriously, that is why I'll always see Flash as such a joke. Any other Terran worth their salt would have tried to regain the advantage through all the Terran tricks: Seizing positional advantage, Later timing push, vulture raids, slow mech crawl, turtle till 200, maybe even a tank drop. Only Flash, with his fear of the late game, would make such a drastic move like that (and a move he is ill-equipped for... he ended up making many big micro mistakes) | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13004 Posts
Jaedong was very impressive. Savior showed his true greatness with his build. Up is an underrated player who could be a bit of a darkhorse. | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:30 M2 wrote: But the risk for zerg is almost the same coz if the toss guess right, zerg is dead Zerg isn't dead at all. Remember Geometry? Savior got right back into the game after his failed hydra push and still put up a great fight. And guessing right is like 1/4 chance, that's pretty bad odds for the P =/ | ||
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boudiou
France190 Posts
Flash is a greedy little boy who tries to get as many games as he can when he should try to improve even during the tournament games imo. But I may be wrong I am not behind is back when he is training. | ||
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:34 teamsolid wrote: Zerg isn't dead at all. Remember Geometry? Savior got right back into the game after his hydra push and still put up a great fight. And guessing right is like 1/4 chance, that's pretty bad odds for the P =/ are you remembering the same game as me, cause i remember savior couldnt gain any ground and was pushed into his base and raped, even with his cute drop attempts savior tried the only thing that could get him back into the game, and it failed in fact, if zerg fails an aggressive counter to protoss FE, protoss can sit back, play defensive and macro hard, cause theres a huge window where zerg simply can't keep up in econ, and has to resort to tricks like dropping hydras | ||
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:36 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: are you remembering the same game as me, cause i remember savior couldnt gain any ground and was pushed into his base and raped, even with his cute drop attempts savior tried the only thing that could get him back into the game, and it failed Yea, I remember. That game was like 20+ min long I think. He wouldn't have lasted that long if he was already dead. | ||
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DrainX
Sweden3187 Posts
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SpiritoftheTunA
United States20903 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:38 teamsolid wrote: Yea, I remember. That game was like 20+ min long I think. He wouldn't have lasted that long if he was already dead. sorry, read my edit only reason game was that long was that protoss played defensive just in case of drops or extra hydra waves (all his cannons were down). didn't help that it was cross pos on geometry either | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:38 teamsolid wrote: Yea, I remember. That game was like 20+ min long I think. He wouldn't have lasted that long if he was already dead. No, there are plenty of times a player lasts long but is dead the entire game. Pros play to secure a win, so often they will push their eco advantage, waiting to make absolutely sure when they move out that they will win. How many times have you seen a player who is ahead feint attack, force sunkens/cannons or whatever defense, then take another base, macro hard, and finish with a ridiculously overkill attack at minute 25? Happens a lot. | ||
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M2
Bulgaria4115 Posts
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HaXxorIzed
Australia8434 Posts
Aside from that, only Up vs Hwasin went in a possibly unexpected direction. Looks like all of the games were won or lost on good build orders (Upmagic's, Jaedong scouting the fast refinery, Savior denying Bisu scouting and the proxy hatch, etc). Now I have a whole week of waiting and hoping Bisu can stay in the OSL :/ | ||
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On November 23 2007 19:55 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: i dunno, he's already shown his ability to innovate new standard builds (4gas muta) which happens to be even more suited for the 4player maps. i dont think you can be too certain in predicting that bisu>savior straightup already.. I wouldn't say 4 gas muta is too innovative. It was innovative when Savior used it vs Nal_Ra on Longinus II about a year ago, but went relatively unknown. That build is power, and I've even won with it a couple of times. | ||
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ambit!ous1
United States3662 Posts
its ok Bisu, you cant beat Savior all the time. 8:2 now... make it 10:2 next week. gogo Bisu!! | ||
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Jim
Sweden1965 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:26 Hot_Bid wrote: Bunker rushing that late (after factory complete) is 50/50 against 14nex anyway, no way you can say anyone "had" the game before the first micro fight I think its a lot bigger chance than 50/50. No way boxer would f that up. | ||
yakii
Korea (South)1448 Posts
EVER OSL 2007 Ro8 Week 1 2007-11-23 (Friday), 18:30 Group A UpMagiC < Persona > Hwasin+ Show Spoiler + Group B Light < Katrina > Jaedong+ Show Spoiler + Group C sAviOr < Blue Storm > Bisu+ Show Spoiler + Group D Stork < Fantasy II > Flash+ Show Spoiler + * All Youtube VODs by Jon747 | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
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Thegreatbeyond
United States287 Posts
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mousey.rr
United States103 Posts
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Thegreatbeyond
United States287 Posts
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Caller
Poland8075 Posts
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
What a great present. Seriously some people on this site were talking like it was impossible for savior to beat him again. I like bisu too but of course Savior was going to get him again at some point. He probably has spent half his time practicing with bisu in mind! So good to see Jaedong win as well, that kid has got some class. Its going to be really interesting next week. | ||
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bellsprout
Australia219 Posts
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NonY
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Pistasj
Norway272 Posts
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NonY
8748 Posts
On November 24 2007 00:59 Pistasj wrote: There's a big fucking picture of Savior with the words "ressurection" over it. Yes, so is that the new way to report results? Post a picture of each player with a word attached and then write the winning words in a spoiler tag? Sounds pointless to me. On November 24 2007 00:59 Pistasj wrote: And considering saviors trouble with bisu, who do you think won the game? Considering that, you'd think Bisu would won the game. I don't see how this is relevant. | ||
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Aesop
Hungary11284 Posts
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Gokey
United States2722 Posts
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BluzMan
Russian Federation4235 Posts
On November 24 2007 01:27 Gokey wrote: i love jaedong and savior, but i think a ZvZ final would be zzz.. I'm kinda torn on who I want to reach the finals... ZvZ is not exactly a MU that produces unique games, but it is hardly boring. -) | ||
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foeffa
Belgium2115 Posts
OP, I hear ya! ^^; | ||
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clazziquai
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IntoTheWow
is awesome32274 Posts
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CraZyIvan
Malaysia4 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
bisu got served right | ||
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asel
Germany1599 Posts
On November 24 2007 02:19 IntoTheWow wrote: Up and sAviOr my words | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
/cry | ||
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Thegreatbeyond
United States287 Posts
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Tonkerchen
680 Posts
On November 23 2007 22:16 yakii wrote: VODs! EVER OSL 2007 Ro8 Week 1 2007-11-23 (Friday), 18:30 Group A UpMagiC < Persona > Hwasin+ Show Spoiler + Group B Light < Katrina > Jaedong+ Show Spoiler + Group C sAviOr < Blue Storm > Bisu+ Show Spoiler + Group D Stork < Fantasy II > Flash+ Show Spoiler + * All Youtube VODs by Jon747 Yakii I <3 you. Gogo sAviOr, erase 'em all! | ||
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Nessue
Finland7 Posts
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Byyk
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
GOO SAVIOR!! | ||
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
Oh if only you knew the joy of Savior | ||
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AaO)Ace
United States50 Posts
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Last Romantic
United States20661 Posts
yay sAviOr~ that was quite a cute build. | ||
semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On November 24 2007 05:43 Last Romantic wrote: .dragoon you can use [ center ] tags next time yay sAviOr~ that was quite a cute build. I found that odd too, because he did use center tags for other parts of the post, but for the match listings he used a bunch of indents. On November 24 2007 05:40 AaO)Ace wrote: Yayyy...not only did I get to see the most exciting game, Bisu vs Savior, but I got it spoiled by the picture before I even watched it. I was favoring slightly that Bisu would win but now with Savior 1-0 I'd have to say savior should have this pretty easy. 65% on Savior. That picture was actually there before any of the matches were played. Also the date on the image is from nearly six months ago. | ||
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 24 2007 05:40 AaO)Ace wrote: Yayyy...not only did I get to see the most exciting game, Bisu vs Savior, but I got it spoiled by the picture before I even watched it. I was favoring slightly that Bisu would win but now with Savior 1-0 I'd have to say savior should have this pretty easy. 65% on Savior. If you want to be sure not to be spoiled, don't click on the live report thread until you've watched the VODs. | ||
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s4life
Peru1519 Posts
On November 24 2007 01:22 NonY[rC] wrote: Yes, so is that the new way to report results? Post a picture of each player with a word attached and then write the winning words in a spoiler tag? Sounds pointless to me. Considering that, you'd think Bisu would won the game. I don't see how this is relevant. I guess The OP thinks most of the readers in this forum have reading comprehension skills beyond kindergarden. | ||
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Jyvblamo
Canada13788 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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iloveHieu
United States1919 Posts
On November 23 2007 23:50 mousey.rr wrote: Is it really necessary to put "RESURECTION" or other random nicknames instead of who actually won in the results? Sorry maybe its not a big deal for most ppl but I don't follow sc enough to know what that means and had to search through the pages to find the winner all i wanna see is the results word. | ||
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pachi
Melbourne5338 Posts
On November 24 2007 05:59 s4life wrote: I guess The OP thinks most of the readers in this forum have reading comprehension skills beyond kindergarden. It isn't 100% though. If I want to just quickly check the report thread for results and I see a word there it doesn't tell me a definite yes/no answer. Who cares if there's a cute picture of the players involved with awesome words describing them. (Both Bisu and Savior lost in the MSL to mind and both had room to 'rise again', the picture could easily be a cute name for the game between these two fallen messiahs of the progaming world and thus could refer to either and thus not 100% concrete like a simple Savior > Bisu would be.) IMHO Live Report OPs should keep bias and information separate, post your cheerful / predictions / hopes / dreams there, but make sure the information is quick and clear. Results for a sporting event printed in a newspaper will not only include an article and any photographs, but the results in an easy to read and noticeable box. Why bother having it at all, if you're going to make me have to work for the result anyway? | ||
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SonuvBob
Aiur21549 Posts
On November 24 2007 05:40 AaO)Ace wrote: Yayyy...not only did I get to see the most exciting game, Bisu vs Savior, but I got it spoiled by the picture before I even watched it. I was favoring slightly that Bisu would win but now with Savior 1-0 I'd have to say savior should have this pretty easy. 65% on Savior. The picture was there before the games even started. | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
It now reads: | ||
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noobienoob
United States1173 Posts
Go Jaedong! edit: lol above post | ||
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StylishVODs
Sweden5331 Posts
if u need results fast, type Savior @ TLPD and look for yourself | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On November 24 2007 07:27 SonuvBob wrote: The picture was there before the games even started. Yeah, no kidding, if you spoiler babies had looked in the thread before the games you would have seen it. That being said <3 <3 <3 RESSSURRECTIOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN <3 <3 <3 | ||
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demonic_phate
United States442 Posts
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darktreb
United States3016 Posts
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OneOther
United States10774 Posts
Man, Light got manhandled by Jaedong. Please just do your standard one rax FE play | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
CUBAN GANGSTER! CUBAN GANGSTER! CUBAN GANGSTER! CUBAN GANGSTER! one powerful counter to Beesuit = deny early game scouting through ling speed, thats righttttttttt On November 23 2007 20:25 teamsolid wrote: Seriously... how do you counter Savior's denial of info/hydra timing push build? It's sort of like a guessing game. It could be one of four different openings from the zerg: 2 hatch muta, hydra timing push, 4 hatch greedy expo build, or just normal 3 hatch. If you mass cannon up the front before main vs anything other than hydra timing, you're at a huge disadvantage vs 3 hatch standard build and auto-loss vs 2 hatch muta or 4 hatch expansions. If you cannon your main first, then you lose vs hydra timing like what happened here. Don't play goddamn Beesuit? :p But seriously, Bisu is normally a monster scouter, he needs to be more savvy about it. Send 2 probes, hide one, the other gets denied, sneak the hidden one through to look @ shit. You can afford to drain a few extra probes as toss unlike zerg's drones especially given how vital that early scout is. At the very least, Bisu should have scouted that proxy hatch, wtf was that, ballsy move by Savior though. I mean DTs come semi-timed to deal with hydra wave, and the sairs can take ovies, also the DTs allow you to cut cannons so you don't get your econ totally fucked if the Zerg simply decides to whore expos instead. Or he can try going back to more standard FE-> temp archives, you give up the sair but you gain insurance against the zerg through storm (hydra)/archon (muta). Although the loss of the sairs super scouting would be huge. Credit to Savior for a return to his trademark psychological mastery. Trading quite a bit of eco for intelligence denial... showing off ling speed to Bisu... just toying with the best scouter in the world and keeping him in the dark... the motherfucker is back, ZvP. | ||
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:39 DrainX wrote: If savior wins another game he will propebly meet stork in a semifinal. Savior vs Stork is 5-1 so far this year and Storks PvZ hasnt showed signs of improving imo. I would give Savior atleast a 50% chance to reach the final. I hope Jaedong doesnt make it there =( Upmagic vs Savior bo5 would be awesome. Jaedong vs Savior would suck badly. I'd say its pretty much guaranteed the Jae will take out the pansy Light, but Up vs Hwasin is not nearly so. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
Poor tosses are just a bit sore that their god, contrary to common belief, can fail to scout. Needless to say, I love the OP, and find it perfectly clear. To add to the discussion: Not only had Bisu resort to guessing, but as all he saw was 8 speedlings, he certainly was not lead to guess hydrapush. I mean, a 3 hatch speedling rush where he hides the lings would be an abvious guess. Also 2/3 hatch mutas doesn't suffer very much from getting 8 speedlings early. Hydra push however does suffer from a ling speed upgrade... You want all your gas (and minerals..) to go into range/speed uppgrade. That ling upgrade probably slowed down the hydra push quite a lot. So while Bisu had to guess, I do not think 3 hatch hydra with proxy was among the builds he was guessing from. Savior controlled Bisus mind from the start. I should also say this about bisus form: 1 LOST GAME AGAINST TOP PLAYER = SLUMP!!! | ||
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freelander
Hungary4707 Posts
On November 23 2007 20:30 M2 wrote: But the risk for zerg is almost the same coz if the toss guess right, zerg is dead lol... protoss has 25% chance to guess right in this case... and you say it is the same risk for the zerg.. omg. 25 + 25 =/= 100 | ||
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ray1234
Canada679 Posts
I love starcraft!!! for every strategy there is a counter! | ||
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lastshadow
United States1372 Posts
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Brutalisk
794 Posts
It was nice, Bisu was really guessing wrong. It was a total build order win (thanks to denied scouting). We have yet to see how the "new" Savior deals with Bisu in a straight-up match where no one gets an early game advantage. | ||
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SeBASTa
China1147 Posts
On November 25 2007 11:13 Brutalisk wrote: Bisu probably expected muta/ling because he built 2 cannons in his main, just shortly before the hydras showed up and started attacking. It was nice, Bisu was really guessing wrong. It was a total build order win (thanks to denied scouting). We have yet to see how the "new" Savior deals with Bisu in a straight-up match where no one gets an early game advantage. I don't agree the point Zerg is naturally good at scouting and denying of scouting from protoss in PvZ until corsair shows up. Each race has its own strength and weakness. You can not call a waive of some natural advantage over others "straight-up". What I expect is the two best players in the world explore the full potential of their representing races and show us one(hopefully two) greatest PvZ in this matchup's history next week | ||
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abcb
United States136 Posts
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
On November 25 2007 16:55 abcb wrote: is anyone updating liquidbet points on these? my still hasn't showed up yet They'll show up when the series are completed next week. | ||
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abcb
United States136 Posts
On November 25 2007 17:22 Hot_Bid wrote: They'll show up when the series are completed next week. Ah so the format is changed to reflect the series rather than the individual games Excellent! | ||
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Hot_Bid
Braavos36374 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/staff/Hot_Bid/lol_no_scouts.jpg) | ||
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HonestTea
5007 Posts
"Can I use a 50/50?" | ||
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GTR
51419 Posts
Kim Taek-yong please. | ||
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.dragoon
United States749 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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Aurious
Canada1772 Posts
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triangle
United States3803 Posts
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FieryBalrog
United States1381 Posts
On November 27 2007 10:54 Hot_Bid wrote: rofl On November 25 2007 11:13 Brutalisk wrote: Bisu probably expected muta/ling because he built 2 cannons in his main, just shortly before the hydras showed up and started attacking. It was nice, Bisu was really guessing wrong. It was a total build order win (thanks to denied scouting). We have yet to see how the "new" Savior deals with Bisu in a straight-up match where no one gets an early game advantage. Not so simple. Bisus build is not set up so it rolls over and dies to any particular zerg BO. It does depend on scouting to adapt. By denying scouting and misleading with the speedlings, and also setting up that genius proxy hatch, Savior was able to cripple Bisu's build in this game. It was a BO win because Savior made it so. | ||
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KizZBG
u gotta skate8152 Posts
On November 27 2007 10:54 Hot_Bid wrote: Genius. | ||
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alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
On November 27 2007 10:54 Hot_Bid wrote: LOL LOL LOLFUCKING AMAZING :bow: hotbid | ||
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