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On May 23 2014 00:51 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:32 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:01 jampidampi wrote:On May 22 2014 23:57 Xatalos wrote:
It's weird that he doesn't bother to post anything while having the most votes, yeah..... And since he's been around too..... Dunno. Maybe he's just scum. I still feel like jampidampi would flip scum more likely. You do know that your case on me mostly shows your lack reading comprehension? I guess you refer to the fact that I misread your "case" on mtamburini. It's not an anyhow major part of why I think you're scum, and it carries the same point of you just following thread sentiment anyway. How is that "mostly"? You still don't get it? Others have already shown how I played early, so I'll just quote one of them: Show nested quote +On May 22 2014 19:00 Koshi wrote:On May 22 2014 18:46 ritoky wrote:
but if you post 10x in a thread and all of it is shit, that's a 100% shit rate, which makes you a shitter in my mind at least. guess it's more of a % useful material thing for me.
Since it seems like there is only 3 of us here, let's have a bit of a chat.
@Marv/geript
I am a little bit hung up on an odd interaction in the early game, that was part of the original reads I gave when I called MZ my top town. It was when he noticed Jampidampi supporting the people he would never lynch on day 1. I was actually a bit wrong on that when I went back and looked at it again. 27ninjabunnies was the one who said it, and she actually said "there is no way I would lynch meapak this game". Which meapak felt was very strange and then jampidampi hopped in to defend bunnies against that and a couple other accusations headed her way at the time.
What do you think of that interaction, because to me it seems very odd, or if you don't particularly think anything of it what do you think about those 3 people?
I am rereading that and to me it seems jampidampi started with questioning MZ about bunnies. MZ replies that bunnies made an "unguarded" comment and is likely town. jampidampi pressures MZ and is giving bunnies a scumread for being overly defensive. He is telling MZ that the way MZ clears Bunnies is wrong and that he should revisit that read. MZ doesn't do that and jampi gives MZ a light scumread for it. This is pretty towny from Jampi tbh. quotes: ↓ + Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. On May 21 2014 07:56 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:44 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:40 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 07:11 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On May 21 2014 07:08 jampidampi wrote:
Meapak earlier you were interested in 27ninjabunnies, did you gather anything from my conversation with her? If you had to bet on her alignment, what would you guess? ehhhh I understand the part about gut reads, I've had them myself and I know how frustrating it is to try and explain them. I give her (is ninja a her?) a pass for now because her posts seem very unguarded and often early game is when scum are most uptight. Unguarded? To me it seems that she is very defensive here: On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:45 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:39 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 06:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 21 2014 06:21 27ninjabunnies wrote:
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It's also obvious who are going to jump out in the front and try and lead town one way or another. We definitely have a mafia or two in the first couple of pages.
You sound confident, enough that I think you have your eye on someone already. Care to share as to who it may be? I may have my eye on a few people. From my experience, there are two type of mafia people: the lurkers, and the ones who like to come out first day and take control of town. I'm focusing on the latter because they are the ones to likely talk more, you can easily find their slips (if any), and they are also more likely to last longer than the lurker mafia. Why are you avoiding my question? I asked you to name your suspicions, but instead you give an indefinite answear and then babble on about something that could reasonably be figured out from your earlier post. If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why. But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter. But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game. If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched. So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. She has "a pretty damn good reason" to avoid my question, yet she anwears it. Earlier she said that "we definitely have a mafia or two" but now they are not necessarily scum. Brining out the newbie card, defending accusations that don't exist. I would definitely not call this post unguarded. Based on this I wouldn't clear bunnies so easily, but now you're interesting. What makes you think she was "unguarded" in this post? + Show Spoiler +For the annoyed thing, if she was slightly pissed at me, I would understand this kind of backlash. I agree that she made a terrible post there, my "unguarded" comment did not specifically relate to any one post in particular and more to her style of posting over all. My personal concern with her is actually her sudden clearing of me after I lightly defended her. It's waaaay too early in the game to say you won't lynch someone, even if you qualify it with D1. It still kinda baffles me that you could ignore such a heavy contrast to your generalization about bunnies play. Makes me think that you didn't actually put that much thought into it, which makes me think you might be scum. It's soon 2 AM here, so see you all tomorrow ______ From reading Jampi filter is goes like this: Jampi: Hey Bunnies I think you are scum. Let's interact. (interacting with scumread) Jampi: Hey MZ, do you agree with my scumread on Bunnies. (Interacts with MZ, gives MZ scumread for not seeing what he sees) This shows that jampi had a strong read on Bunnies at that time. Town mindset. Showing how I come to conclusions. Thus there are no filler questions without conclusions. If you refering to my entrance to the thread, then I wonder how you missed my conclusion that you were scum. Do I need to go on?
You seriously read me as scum? >.> Even now? Surely it's not based on those early troll posts...?
Hm, actually there's a bit more content in your filter than I noticed earlier. You even did come to conclusions based on some of your questions. There are some meaningless questions in between, but I can see some of them being more town-aligned.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:53 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways. For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her. You didn't really answer either of my questions. I know the reason for your bunnies reads. What I want to know is... a) Why you claim that bunnies is scummy for reasons you thought that yell0w was scummy in the other game, despite yell0w being town in said game, and... b) Why there's nothing in your filter that indicates that you even read Cephiro's case. It seems as if you saw a giant post on bunnies and mindlessly sheeped it without even considering the contents.
A) I know bunnies probably the mostest out of everyone here so my read on her goes back to more games then just the last one. Yellow and bunnies are different players. Because yellow did something scummy in one game and someone else does the same thing does not imply that the new person is also town. What Im trying to say is P does not always imply Q,
having know bunnies and her playstyle and not know yellows I think bunnies is more likely scum for her reactions then yellows reactions in that game.
B) I read his post, im going to have to re read it again but Im pretty sure I quoted it and said something along the lines of Im gonna claim bird jesus and shoot you in the night.
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Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case.
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On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue?
They just claimed Blue without a specific role?
I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL.
To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role.
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On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction)
I don't think your lynch is set yet at all. Just try to read the thread and share your thoughts. It'll be good for us even if you end up being lynched.
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On May 23 2014 01:08 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:53 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways. For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her. You didn't really answer either of my questions. I know the reason for your bunnies reads. What I want to know is... a) Why you claim that bunnies is scummy for reasons you thought that yell0w was scummy in the other game, despite yell0w being town in said game, and... b) Why there's nothing in your filter that indicates that you even read Cephiro's case. It seems as if you saw a giant post on bunnies and mindlessly sheeped it without even considering the contents. A) I know bunnies probably the mostest out of everyone here so my read on her goes back to more games then just the last one. Yellow and bunnies are different players. Because yellow did something scummy in one game and someone else does the same thing does not imply that the new person is also town. What Im trying to say is P does not always imply Q, having know bunnies and her playstyle and not know yellows I think bunnies is more likely scum for her reactions then yellows reactions in that game. B) I read his post, im going to have to re read it again but Im pretty sure I quoted it and said something along the lines of Im gonna claim bird jesus and shoot you in the night.
Ok I have no idea what you mean by the bolded.
My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on.
Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts.
Regarding your Day 1 play, one thing that makes me fairly suspicious of you was your entirely different approach to Day 1 in the recently concluded newbie game. In that game, you came out extremely confident with very straightforward pressure/reads. This is in complete contrast to this game, where your approach has reflected your "vague and inconclusive" self-descriptor.
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On May 23 2014 01:12 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue? They just claimed Blue without a specific role? I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL. To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role.
Start reading the thread bro.
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On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case.
Video mafia
I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong 
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On May 23 2014 01:13 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:08 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:57 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:53 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2014 00:51 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
I'd like your explanation to this: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 12:39 mtamburini wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On May 21 2014 11:45 Cephiro wrote:First up, the thoughts behind my questioning. While initially reading the thread I noticed 27ninja is a very cooperative person. Which is why I started the whole exchange with her. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
If I'm avoiding your question, it's because I have a pretty good damn reason as to why.
But because you are being persistant, the ones I have my eye on are Steveling, WaveofShadow and Tehpoofter.
She takes part in the discussion a lot and actively, aiming to contribute (or look like contributing.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 07:30 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 07:28 jampidampi wrote:
Before I continue, were you annoyed with my guestions? No, questions are good. They get reads. Reads are good. So the questions were not annoying. I was more annoyed by the fact you said I was avoiding what you were asking. I think I had made it clear as to why. But please continue. I want to hear more. Her intention is to try and play as honestly as possible. Which again, is not a bad thing from a town perspective, but if you roll scum and try to play with the least amount of lies possible, it will be hard. The point of interest here is her admitting her annoyance to being called out on her play. She encourages others to share the reasons on hers, yet withholds her own for "reasons", are excused as: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 06:52 27ninjabunnies wrote:
But this doesn't necessarily mean they are scum. I rather read more of their play and interactions before I straight out call someone mafia. The majority of these people I haven't played with, and this is my second forum game.
If I don't have logic behind my reads, where does that put me? As a freaking town more likely to get mislynched.
So hold your horses, let me get my reads, and then we'll talk. While I definitely agree with the logic behind it, her reasoning doesn't seem sincere. It's as if she wants to put content into the thread, but avoid (for now), making any decisions that may come to haunt her play later. Specifically: She doesn't want to be read as scum. Obviously, no town player does, but her play is (even self-admittingly) aimed at not being read as scum. Even if you are read as scum as a townie, it doesn't mean you can't manage to prove your town-ness. Surely, it's an uphill battle, but for someone putting as much effort as her in the game seems unlikely to be _that_ scared of being a misread as a town. Rather, I feel the fear comes from other players correctly reading her as scum. Analysis break: My questions, the reasons behind it, and my conclusions of her replies. Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:28 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:27 Cephiro wrote:
Confirming one thing, are you asking for my reasons as for:
1) Why I'm reading you as mafia?
2) Why I'm voting on you? Well I assume you are voting me because you are reading me as mafia. So, why are you reading me as mafia? The first exchange. My question here aims at finding the natural level of her thought process. It may not be the best comparison, but think about chess. What I'm aiming to find here is whether she thinks about: 1) The current move 2) The reasons behind the current move 3) The follow-up to the current move Or a multitude of the above. As you can see, she instantly jumps into an assumption that I vote her because I read her as mafia. She doesn't take her thought process further (into different possibilities), into questions such as: "Would he vote for me for a reason other than suspecting me as mafia?" Instead, she takes it for granted that I suspect her to be mafia. It fits well with her wanting to play as honestly as possible, trying not to doubt the claims of others. This I feel is a trait belonging to the person. So here I establish the fact that she doesn't think things ahead. Her thought process is not zero though, but considering the current step with the information given to her comes more naturally. (There are people who naturally start thinking multiple steps ahead.) Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 10:46 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:39 Cephiro wrote:
I will have to respond to your question with another to stay true to my motives.
If I didn't consider you as mafia, why would I be voting for you?
Even if my replies seem very off to you, please do respond. You're under evaluation. If you don't consider me as mafia, you shouldn't be voting me. The only reason outside of you considering me as mafia for why you would vote for me is this: you want to get a read on me via my reactions to your voting on me to see if I react poorly or more town favored. This is only used if you don't have a read on me from what I've previously posted. This can also lead to reads from other people if they begin questioning you or agreeing with you. So again, why are you reading me as mafia? Here is my followup. My question is intentionally aimed to hint at a possibility of thinking outside the box. As I came into the conclusion that she doesn't naturally by instinct start thinking things too many steps ahead, I wanted to see the reaction that would come after hinted towards doing such. Her response is quite interesting. She does correctly analyze on scenario, that is, if I didn't have a proper read and wanted to gain more information on her. There are many others she does not think about however. What I'm most interested in, is this crucial miss: She does not at all consider a possibility where I am scum. Ding ding, alarm bells anyone? Note how she points out that if I don't really consider her as mafia, I shouldn't be voting for her. Yet at the end of her post, she asks why I'm reading her as mafia. This means that she thinks (knows?) of me being a town player suspecting her, rather than any other possibility. Why could I not be a scum player trying to start a wagon on her? She doesn't even go through this option at all, even after being hinted to think outside the box. It's as if she knows I'm town. That's not possible unless she's scum. On to my third question: Show nested quote +On May 21 2014 11:08 27ninjabunnies wrote:On May 21 2014 10:54 Cephiro wrote:
One last question before I will answer your question.
I already know you read me as town. If you had a strong scumread on me however, would you go all-out to make me the lynch of the day right away? I like how confident you are in yourself. As for reading you as town, that's yet to be determined. If I had a strong scumread on you, yes, I would probably push on you to get you lynched. As for right away, it depends. If I think I can have support, I'll push right away. If I don't think I'll have any support, I'd need t find evidence that can prove or atleast put into speculation that you are mafia. So, your answer? This question was mainly to confirm. I was fairly certain that she does not intentionally downplay her ability to mislead her opponent. Combined with the logical deduction of her naturally not thinking ahead, and with her honest tendency to answer questions, I have no reason to believe she'd be lying about this one either. It would be possible to downplay or not reveal your scumread to try and trap a person into a situation which essentially confirms them as scum to other players, or many shenanigans of the kind. Her response however is strictly related to her own confidence about her read. If she's sure about her read, she'll go for it (no downplaying). If she's unsure, she'll work to be able to trust her read enough to convince others. (Upping her own play.) With this I come into the conclusion that she is not downplaying her abilities when responding to others, or in any questions that she replied to me. This is exactly why I consider the 2nd question where she does NOT EVEN CONSIDER ME AS POSSIBLE SCUM extremely alarming. Also take in consideration how interested in she is in the reasons why I suspect her to be mafia. She doesn't just ignore and wait for me to actually provide something, but she actively asks for it again and again. If not combined with the above, I would see this as a townie trait, but I feel she is trying to get to know her mistakes/flaws in early play so she doesn't make the same mistakes later on. TLDR: 1) Is afraid of being seen as scum 2) Extremely co-operative due to not wanting to be looked upon badly, refer to point 1. 3) Ignores the possibility of the player questioning her being scum. 4) When suspected, wants to know the flaws in her play to not repeat the mistake later Like literally, for one moment she doesn't think I could be scum trying to push her for mislynch. 27ninjabunnies is mafia, and needs to be lynched. My vote stays where it is. Opinions? Goddamn bunnies back to scummy now, I need you to pretend your formaled and defend yourself. He brings up all the points I wanted to kill yellow in other game. Do I need to claim Bird Jesus again and say im going to shoot you and see if I get roleblocked? Regarding the bolded, Yell0w flipped town in the game in question - how does it make sense for you to want to kill bunnies for those reasons? Also, your post here gives absolutely no indication that you actually read or thought about Cephrio's case, which just rubs me all sorts of wrong ways. For me it felt like bunnies was contradicting herself from the way she was putting pressure on yellow on that game. Her play style from that game to this game looks different to me and the way she conducted herself early on this game made me want to question and put pressure on her. You didn't really answer either of my questions. I know the reason for your bunnies reads. What I want to know is... a) Why you claim that bunnies is scummy for reasons you thought that yell0w was scummy in the other game, despite yell0w being town in said game, and... b) Why there's nothing in your filter that indicates that you even read Cephiro's case. It seems as if you saw a giant post on bunnies and mindlessly sheeped it without even considering the contents. A) I know bunnies probably the mostest out of everyone here so my read on her goes back to more games then just the last one. Yellow and bunnies are different players. Because yellow did something scummy in one game and someone else does the same thing does not imply that the new person is also town. What Im trying to say is P does not always imply Q, having know bunnies and her playstyle and not know yellows I think bunnies is more likely scum for her reactions then yellows reactions in that game. B) I read his post, im going to have to re read it again but Im pretty sure I quoted it and said something along the lines of Im gonna claim bird jesus and shoot you in the night. Ok I have no idea what you mean by the bolded. Show nested quote +My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on.
Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. Regarding your Day 1 play, one thing that makes me fairly suspicious of you was your entirely different approach to Day 1 in the recently concluded newbie game. In that game, you came out extremely confident with very straightforward pressure/reads. This is in complete contrast to this game, where your approach has reflected your "vague and inconclusive" self-descriptor.
With triple the amount of people and a lot more experienced players I have to change my play. With this being a closed set up and not a open one nothing can ever be confirmed so its going to be a lot harder then the noobie games ive played.
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On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong
So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes?
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On May 23 2014 01:13 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:12 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue? They just claimed Blue without a specific role? I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL. To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role. Start reading the thread bro.
I wont finish 70 pages of thread in 4 hours
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On May 23 2014 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey hapa- I know you talk to tamburini right now but what do you think of BH? My read on him is sorta weird. Normally I'd read these antics by BH (Claiming Issac, Obsessed with RNG lynch, Stubborn Uselessness, etc) as townie. It's a sign he doesn't care much for his reputation, he's not pushing any visible objectives (which he does as mafia), and I've seem him do similar things in many of his town games (and none of his mafia games). While I'd read him as town in a more traditional setup, this really isn't one. I can see BH's behavior as being part of one of various factions, and I wouldn't mind seeing him dispatched with a bullet tonight.
Hazard a guess at my role? I happen to have strong reason to think BH is town, Hapa.
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On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes?
I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died.
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On May 23 2014 01:16 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:13 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:12 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue? They just claimed Blue without a specific role? I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL. To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role. Start reading the thread bro. I wont finish 70 pages of thread in 4 hours
Exactly, I recommend he stay here and defend. If he is town he should be able to prove it
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On May 23 2014 01:17 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:03 Hapahauli wrote:On May 23 2014 00:58 Alakaslam wrote:
Hey hapa- I know you talk to tamburini right now but what do you think of BH? My read on him is sorta weird. Normally I'd read these antics by BH (Claiming Issac, Obsessed with RNG lynch, Stubborn Uselessness, etc) as townie. It's a sign he doesn't care much for his reputation, he's not pushing any visible objectives (which he does as mafia), and I've seem him do similar things in many of his town games (and none of his mafia games). While I'd read him as town in a more traditional setup, this really isn't one. I can see BH's behavior as being part of one of various factions, and I wouldn't mind seeing him dispatched with a bullet tonight. Hazard a guess at my role? I happen to have strong reason to think BH is town, Hapa.
Cool - go ahead and tell me that reason.
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On May 23 2014 01:16 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:13 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:12 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue? They just claimed Blue without a specific role? I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL. To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role. Start reading the thread bro. I wont finish 70 pages of thread in 4 hours
The lady doth protest too much.
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On May 23 2014 01:17 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:16 bkqyrldp wrote:On May 23 2014 01:13 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 01:09 bkqyrldp wrote:
Where do you play if you get mislynched a lot on day 1? Seems weird that you are surprised being the lynch leader if that's the case. Video mafia I was surprised because I thought from when I was left online that I was super town in all my posts but apparently I was wrong So on video mafia you get mislynched a lot because you like posting long posts with lots of quotes and small notes? I get ML day 1 because I dont find many connections D1 between people, its only after a couple votes and lynches do I get more information and start deducing nad making educated guesses and connections based on read of my own and people that have died.
That's not what you said though.
I'm not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts.
Also based on your newbie game here it seems you make plenty of smaller posts and not that many long ones.
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On May 23 2014 01:12 mtamburini wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2014 01:05 Koshi wrote:On May 23 2014 01:04 mtamburini wrote:On May 23 2014 00:49 Xatalos wrote:On May 23 2014 00:45 mtamburini wrote:
Fuck me i gotta read 50 pages since I was last online how the fuck did I get put up for a lynch!
Now share your thoughts as much as you can (focusing on scumreads preferably). Mostly the case on you is about being AFK + having too vague/inconclusive reads. Me being AFK imo is not a good reason to cast a vote on someone currently working 2 jobs and I do not get an internet connection at either of them anymore, however i agree on the latter part. My reads are vauge and inconclusive, with day 1 starts I do not have any information to go on so I have to try and figure shit out on my own until Power Roles come out with useful information and then I can apply my reads to them and look back at peoples filters as days go on. Im not a strong day1 player which is my downfall and gets me mislynched a lot because I like posting long as posts with lots of quotes and small notes on them because I find that much more efficient then posting 100 smaller posts. There were a couple players who commented on my long post saying TLDR; which i find suspicious. I feel like mafia would probably be more likely to skip over it if there name was not mentioned in that post. At the same time the people that said my long post was bs (Alakazam was one of the first few) are looking for an easy target to ML day 1. I specifically bring up alakazam because he was questioned by someone about something ( I believe I made a post already calling him out for what I am about to say) and the first thing he responded back was sheeping a read that that person had just finished saying about me doing that long ass post. Not sure if enough people are going to be around closer to deadline so I might be the lynch today so I will leave some parting words if this is the case. With a game with 5 factions (town + 4 others) Mafia also have to scum hunt as well. Looking further down the road you will have to look for connections between people to link them to one faction (doesnt mean they are scum but if one flips scum someone who is defending them may most likely be in same faction) mtamburiniWhat did you think about Alakaslam and BH claiming blue? They just claimed Blue without a specific role? I would be more inclined to think BH would be more likely a role candidate and alakaslam trying to save his ass from ebing shot by geript LOL. To comment on BH behaviour early game being all aggro and yelling and shit wiht the RNG. He sees himself in a godlike light which shows a lot of confidence in his abilities to scumhunt and win games as either allignemnt. His play reminds me of a mafia game I played on another site where I went super aggro and did the exact same thing he did (except I did not use RNG I used some other bs technique to get conversation started and start building connections) and I also was a Blue role.
BH claimed Issac, and I am Issac's best friend.
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I'm starting to think I missed on tambo. Going to re-read and re-evaluate.
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