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On November 22 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:On November 22 2013 01:58 Vlanitak wrote: dear god I have never been this rich ingame without doing anything... w-what do I do with all of it? I literally item maxed at 20min in a game as Janna, Im loving this Wow that's... scary. Definitely crowds out non scaling supports like blitz who don't really scale off items...
AP Blitz 1.0 ratio on Q and R, np
Or make hook length scale with AP. let's just take this utility scaling thing as far as it goes.
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On November 22 2013 01:48 overt wrote: Kha and Zed are AD casters. Them being assassins doesn't really matter. J4/Vi/Olaf don't need the AD as much as them, they like pressuring lanes and will get a lot of use out of Conservation, and if you need a single damage item literally anything is better than Elder Lizard.
That's just my reasoning though. I'm not an expert on the jungle. I don't see anything new in S4 that changes what made nearly everyone go Ancient Golem in S3. Kha/Zed don't get played competitively but in solo queue you saw them pick up Elder Lizard. Eve is pretty much the only S3 jungler I've seen in competitive play that goes Elder Lizard still. It's not really about AD, AD is good, but the nature of S4 Lizard spirit is that you get gold for kill/assist your team, and champs like Vi/Olaf/J4 are excel at that. There's nothing to stop those champs from getting golem spirit and still go gank either, but there's just not enough benefit for that.
I'm not saying Lizard is superior on those champs. Golem spirit is still a very good choice, it's just that when I play those champs, I have a choice to choose which items I should have depending on the team comps.
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On November 22 2013 02:09 Infundibulum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:On November 22 2013 02:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:On November 22 2013 01:58 Vlanitak wrote: dear god I have never been this rich ingame without doing anything... w-what do I do with all of it? I literally item maxed at 20min in a game as Janna, Im loving this Wow that's... scary. Definitely crowds out non scaling supports like blitz who don't really scale off items... AP Blitz 1.0 ratio on Q and R, np Or make hook length scale with AP. let's just take this utility scaling thing as far as it goes.
Do that and Blitzs without AP Quints will be all
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But when you got that Rabadon it'll be all
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On November 22 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:On November 22 2013 01:58 Vlanitak wrote: dear god I have never been this rich ingame without doing anything... w-what do I do with all of it? I literally item maxed at 20min in a game as Janna, Im loving this Wow that's... scary. Definitely crowds out non scaling supports like blitz who don't really scale off items...
AP Blitz hurts.
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So Nasus's Lore changed but Renekton's ended up staying the same. So now basically Renekton's lore + quote makes no sense if you read Nasus' lore first.
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On November 22 2013 01:52 BrownBear wrote: I spent all this time getting not terrible at this game just to have everything I know thrown out the window :/ Sure you did
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Have the rune changes gone through yet? Or is that going to be a later preseason patch
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After one game in the jungle as eve I felt as though I was swimming in gold that I normally wouldn't have had. I went elder Lizard. I was able to get a kill on a gank but by the mid game I had much more gold. I was in a weird place because with the extra gold I had no clue what to build and it was only like 25 mins and I had elder Lizard, sorc boots, lliandry's and rylai's and a cowl. But my team started Rolling at some point there. I believe there is much more potential to be a carry in the new jungle. I like it so far...
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On November 22 2013 02:26 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:07 wei2coolman wrote:On November 22 2013 02:04 AsmodeusXI wrote:On November 22 2013 01:58 Vlanitak wrote: dear god I have never been this rich ingame without doing anything... w-what do I do with all of it? I literally item maxed at 20min in a game as Janna, Im loving this Wow that's... scary. Definitely crowds out non scaling supports like blitz who don't really scale off items... AP Blitz hurts. You can try and itemize 6 item blitz however you want, he definitely falls short to a lot of other champions. I guess it's fair enough that he has game changing ability, but it would definitely be something that will have to be taken into account now, if games go long.
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On November 22 2013 02:50 xarchaosx wrote: After one game in the jungle as eve I felt as though I was swimming in gold that I normally wouldn't have had. I went elder Lizard. I was able to get a kill on a gank but by the mid game I had much more gold. I was in a weird place because with the extra gold I had no clue what to build and it was only like 25 mins and I had elder Lizard, sorc boots, lliandry's and rylai's and a cowl. But my team started Rolling at some point there. I believe there is much more potential to be a carry in the new jungle. I like it so far... I thought the lizard true damage proc only activate with physical damage? Eve deals magic damage most of the time, right? except her autoattack of course.
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On November 22 2013 02:54 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:50 xarchaosx wrote: After one game in the jungle as eve I felt as though I was swimming in gold that I normally wouldn't have had. I went elder Lizard. I was able to get a kill on a gank but by the mid game I had much more gold. I was in a weird place because with the extra gold I had no clue what to build and it was only like 25 mins and I had elder Lizard, sorc boots, lliandry's and rylai's and a cowl. But my team started Rolling at some point there. I believe there is much more potential to be a carry in the new jungle. I like it so far... I thought the lizard true damage proc only activate with physical damage? Eve deals magic damage most of the time, right? except her autoattack of course. It procs on any ability that's not a DoT
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According to the patch notes, they've changed lizard elder to proc only on physical damage (I haven't been able to get on lol myself to check though)
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On November 22 2013 02:57 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:54 canikizu wrote:On November 22 2013 02:50 xarchaosx wrote: After one game in the jungle as eve I felt as though I was swimming in gold that I normally wouldn't have had. I went elder Lizard. I was able to get a kill on a gank but by the mid game I had much more gold. I was in a weird place because with the extra gold I had no clue what to build and it was only like 25 mins and I had elder Lizard, sorc boots, lliandry's and rylai's and a cowl. But my team started Rolling at some point there. I believe there is much more potential to be a carry in the new jungle. I like it so far... I thought the lizard true damage proc only activate with physical damage? Eve deals magic damage most of the time, right? except her autoattack of course. It procs on any ability that's not a DoT Yeah but that's the old one. The new s4 is supposed to be "Incinerate passive now procs on physical damage, damage increased to 16-50 (from 7-40) "
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Holy crap I wonder if mid lulu will become a thing again, soooo much mobility on W and you make up for nerf to shield damage with as many guaranteed AAs as you want.
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On November 22 2013 02:54 canikizu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:50 xarchaosx wrote: After one game in the jungle as eve I felt as though I was swimming in gold that I normally wouldn't have had. I went elder Lizard. I was able to get a kill on a gank but by the mid game I had much more gold. I was in a weird place because with the extra gold I had no clue what to build and it was only like 25 mins and I had elder Lizard, sorc boots, lliandry's and rylai's and a cowl. But my team started Rolling at some point there. I believe there is much more potential to be a carry in the new jungle. I like it so far... I thought the lizard true damage proc only activate with physical damage? Eve deals magic damage most of the time, right? except her autoattack of course.
Eve relies a lot on her autos early game as her E gives her increased attack speed. Spirit of the Elder Lizard before the patch was already a core item for her as it gave her faster clear speeds, CDR and a boat load of damage.
Most Eve's built AP after the spirit of elder lizard as her AP scaling into the late game was pretty strong.
I feel she is so ridiculously strong after this patch, even OP - now with increased gold coming from the Spirit of the Elder Lizard (watched a few D1/Challenger Jungle streams and they were swimming in gold), combined with kills/assists/ganking snowballing the gold power curve. Not only this but any champs who use both do AP/AD damage (hybrid damage) got a buff as they combined the 6% Armor and Magic Penetration mastery into one.
Champs that have AP scaling with their kit and an AA steroid (Tristana, Shyv, Eve, etc.) are gonna be soooooooo strong this patch as it is going to make it extremely difficult to itemize against them throughout the game.
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On November 22 2013 03:11 Inflexion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 02:54 canikizu wrote:On November 22 2013 02:50 xarchaosx wrote: After one game in the jungle as eve I felt as though I was swimming in gold that I normally wouldn't have had. I went elder Lizard. I was able to get a kill on a gank but by the mid game I had much more gold. I was in a weird place because with the extra gold I had no clue what to build and it was only like 25 mins and I had elder Lizard, sorc boots, lliandry's and rylai's and a cowl. But my team started Rolling at some point there. I believe there is much more potential to be a carry in the new jungle. I like it so far... I thought the lizard true damage proc only activate with physical damage? Eve deals magic damage most of the time, right? except her autoattack of course. Eve relies a lot on her autos early game as her E gives her increased attack speed. Spirit of the Elder Lizard before the patch was already a core item for her as it gave her faster clear speeds, CDR and a boat load of damage. Most Eve's built AP after the spirit of elder lizard as her AP scaling into the late game was pretty strong. I feel she is so ridiculously strong after this patch, even OP - now with increased gold coming from the Spirit of the Elder Lizard (watched a few D1/Challenger Jungle streams and they were swimming in gold), combined with kills/assists/ganking snowballing the gold power curve. Not only this but any champs who use both do AP/AD damage (hybrid damage) got a buff as they combined the 6% Armor and Magic Penetration mastery into one. Champs that have AP scaling with their kit and an AA steroid (Tristana, Shyv, Eve, etc.) are gonna be soooooooo strong this patch as it is going to make it extremely difficult to itemize against them throughout the game. Yeah, but the 6% duel penetration costs 3 points instead of 1, so it's far less efficient than before. Not to mention it's pretty deep on the tree to boot.
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just watching streams of new patch, god some of the new item icons are ugly.
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Support Leblanc is op on this patch. Calling it now
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On November 22 2013 03:19 thenexusp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 03:11 Inflexion wrote:On November 22 2013 02:54 canikizu wrote:On November 22 2013 02:50 xarchaosx wrote: After one game in the jungle as eve I felt as though I was swimming in gold that I normally wouldn't have had. I went elder Lizard. I was able to get a kill on a gank but by the mid game I had much more gold. I was in a weird place because with the extra gold I had no clue what to build and it was only like 25 mins and I had elder Lizard, sorc boots, lliandry's and rylai's and a cowl. But my team started Rolling at some point there. I believe there is much more potential to be a carry in the new jungle. I like it so far... I thought the lizard true damage proc only activate with physical damage? Eve deals magic damage most of the time, right? except her autoattack of course. Eve relies a lot on her autos early game as her E gives her increased attack speed. Spirit of the Elder Lizard before the patch was already a core item for her as it gave her faster clear speeds, CDR and a boat load of damage. Most Eve's built AP after the spirit of elder lizard as her AP scaling into the late game was pretty strong. I feel she is so ridiculously strong after this patch, even OP - now with increased gold coming from the Spirit of the Elder Lizard (watched a few D1/Challenger Jungle streams and they were swimming in gold), combined with kills/assists/ganking snowballing the gold power curve. Not only this but any champs who use both do AP/AD damage (hybrid damage) got a buff as they combined the 6% Armor and Magic Penetration mastery into one. Champs that have AP scaling with their kit and an AA steroid (Tristana, Shyv, Eve, etc.) are gonna be soooooooo strong this patch as it is going to make it extremely difficult to itemize against them throughout the game. Yeah, but the 6% duel penetration costs 3 points instead of 1, so it's far less efficient than before. Not to mention it's pretty deep on the tree to boot.
That's true. We will see how it works out.
Back to Eve. I feel almost no reason to spec anything other than 30/0/0 as Eve. I don't even main jungle but when I do and play Eve, she was already pretty snowbally going 21/9/0. The Spell Weaving and Blade Weaving masteries compliment her kit so well. I feel, now, after 1 successful gank as Eve, she will be so far ahead and will be able to come to ANY lane, shit on any 2v2s and outduel ANYONE in the jungle as her damage output is just so ridiculous. In addition, she has no real mana issues as her passive grants so much mana regen while rotating in between lanes.
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Elder Lizard definitely procced on her q while I was playing her
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