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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:04 Nightcat99 wrote: slam , which quote the one you are answering my question? I am pretty sure we all read it. I'm far from sure! | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:05 DeusXmachina wrote: I mean I could be way over-thinking this but the only way you could get a scum read off of Umasi's vote switch is with this reasoning: Umasi is scum, but he changes his vote last minute to appear pro town with the intention of switching back if needed to secure a reps lynch. With no intention of switching back whatsoever! | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:06 Alakaslam wrote: With no intention of switching back whatsoever! Explain yourself please | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
Aggressively hates no lynch Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam" Night HolyFlare implicates him and dies First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM! His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State732 Posts
On August 03 2013 09:59 DeusXmachina wrote: ? You are talking hypothetically if reps flipped red. Can we forget that. There is not hypothetical here. Reps flipped town. He was town and scum knew it. If Umasi was scum why would he switch his vote? Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely). Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
Gotard, since he's wrong about infii (at least, I think so), is someone I'll go reread. not right now, watching lcs. I'll talk about him after this game though. I obviously didn't intend to switch back alakaslam, I was fucking afk, and would have welcomed a no-lynch as I've stated really frequently. Just because you thought infii was townier does not mean he was actually townier, don't shove your opinions as the law, disagreeing with you is not scummy -.- (directed at slam) | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State732 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:05 Alakaslam wrote: You are distracting! This had better be settled. How do you not think a found scum is 100% most important thing? I tell you, Umasi's actions do not fit with his defenses! I think he is scum right now, for sure. But he should at least be trying to formulate countertheories. If they are shittier than mine we know for sure he is scum, if they aren't bad we may have gained something, even if he is scum. Not trying to totally shift the attention from him, but it doesn't seem like a good way to spend the day if we keep circle-jerking over Umasi's guilt either | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
He really doesn't have to, in this situation. Especially since it looks even scummier- you are not thinking about scum perspective. Scum does not want to look scummy, they really don't have to lead or aid mislynches, especially at the cost of towncred. They have nk. They would like to see mislynches, but them dying drags their win out significantly further than not quite mislynch ing. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
Do you NOT want to pressure the lurker? Is that just not something you want to have happen? Why is pressuring scam to get him to post a bad idea? | ||
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:09 Alakaslam wrote: Umasi: Aggressively hates no lynch Switches off reps, but doesn't really push for counter wagon: rather, he goes for no lynch or get Indio as "he is scummier than scam" Night HolyFlare implicates him and dies First thin Umasi does? Vote Indio? NO!! VOTES SCAM! His defenses are NOT making sense. Indio's "pro town post" came after that vote Slam. I have already expressed my suspicion of Umasi many times. Like I said his vote switch in my opinion is a townie move. Could you please address only that. Unless you already did and I missed it. You are hard to follow man. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:12 Umasi wrote: Alakaslam, I think you need to read a little bit more carefully, and post more rationally, we're having a hard time following what you're trying to say. I still want to pressure scam because he hasn't voted, I think he's a smart person to pressure. Gotard, since he's wrong about infii (at least, I think so), is someone I'll go reread. not right now, watching lcs. I'll talk about him after this game though. I obviously didn't intend to switch back alakaslam, I was fucking afk, and would have welcomed a no-lynch as I've stated really frequently. Just because you thought infii was townier does not mean he was actually townier, don't shove your opinions as the law, disagreeing with you is not scummy -.- (directed at slam) Fail defense, do as you preach Doesn't get any more console than: if I was wrong and he was scummy, why not vote him start of today? I am bombastic, yes! Once I am so convinced of scum I will be a jerk and more about it. This is indefensible! It really is! That is why you call me confusing | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
and yeah~zyrre not posting is fucking confusing, he's equally important to pressure, but he's sure as shit done more than scam. ~i'm hardly even watching atm and I want to watch :< | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State732 Posts
##Vote Umasi I think you're scum. Give me reason to think otherwise | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
You are actually hard to comprehend sometimes and that is bad, so this is just a person request, make it easy for everyone :< going against my own policy isn't even scummy, it's just weird. And people think that getting off of reps would give towncred, it honestly shouldn't. It's me acting by my personal views of the situation. | ||
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RDaneelOlivaw
Vatican City State732 Posts
bolding it | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:14 Umasi wrote: Slam, infii at least has POSTED. Do you NOT want to pressure the lurker? Is that just not something you want to have happen? Why is pressuring scam to get him to post a bad idea? It isn't Why didnt you see before then? That was my opinion at the time! Oh but Indio was scummier. VERY WELL. WHY NOT VOTE HIM FIRST TODAY THEN? YOU DID NOT THINK HE WAS TOWN ALREADY. DON'T BOTHER SAYING THAT. Deus ex such distraction is looking scummy. You act like there is such thing as a SCUMSLIP. There isn't! You have to take motives over a period to truly catch scum! This period is long! It is not just his vote switching, it is the details of that PAIRED WITH HIS VOTING BEHAVIOR AT THE START OF DAY 2. | ||
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Umasi
United States1399 Posts
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DeusXmachina
United States333 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:09 RDaneelOlivaw wrote: Saving a townie does offer him some towncred points in a way At any rate, the hypothetical is important in this situation. I'm trying to explore his decision. And if he is town, he made that decision without any foreknowledge, so he would have to consider what happens in both scenarios. A) reps is red and he dies B) reps is green, some towncred, though obviously the suspicion C) reps is saved(unlikely). Given the risk of A happening if he is a unknowing townie, I find it an odd choice to make. Of course, if he is mafia, it's also not the best play for the attention. It still feels scummy to me A bunch of scenarios where Umasi is town? We are talking about if Umasi is scum. He already expressed that he vote switched because he believed reps was a bad town. So situation A, reps flips red, that wouldn't implicate him as scum unless you don't believe that he was being genuine when he said that he thinks reps is town (which is what reps turned out to be). | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17322 Posts
On August 03 2013 10:17 Umasi wrote: The promise of future activity is good. infii was scummier, but I had more of an expectation he would post things. Therefore, voting scam makes sense, to make him post. and yeah~zyrre not posting is fucking confusing, he's equally important to pressure, but he's sure as shit done more than scam. ~i'm hardly even watching atm and I want to watch :< The problem with scam is he isn't even going to post anymore except to survive if that. that was discussed at night. | ||
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