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Higgs Particle Announcement Incoming!!! - Page 23
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r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
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Sanctimonius
United Kingdom861 Posts
Grats to the scientists and grats to Mr Higgs, it's a grand thing to live to see your theory being proven. Now what does this discovery mean for the world at large, I wonder? And for the LHC? | ||
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Leporello
United States2845 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:37 IronManSC wrote: But if the big bang came from a massive explosion, essentially from nothing... and here we discover what comes from mass... I mean, i'm not a scientist or anything, and science and math were my worst subjects in high school, so... I don't know, I just somehow found that they correllated someway. Well, it confirms current theory as to how atoms were first formed, which happened sometime after the big bang. The big bang isn't a theory, it obviously happened, and the evidence is everywhere from cosmic radiation to simply our observing how the Universe is expanding. What's theoretical is what triggered it to ever happen at all - and the Higgs Boson does nothing to answer that rather ultimate and unanswerable question. We know the big bang happened, and given what we know about particle physics, we can make a lot of safe theories about how the early universe initially formed from pure energy into atoms. Finding tangible evidence of Higgs Boson just allows science to be more assured with itself. We knew electrons and protons denoted an atom's mass, but without the Higgs Boson, there's no real reason why. My understanding of the Higgs Boson is that it's basically the common regulator that exists in all matter, which makes atomic mass something entirely universal. It's called the "God Particle" because it's purpose seems completely fundamental to matter existing as we know it. edit: actually, I guess Dark Matter theoretically does not contain the Higgs-Boson, so it's not entirely universal. | ||
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r.Evo
Germany14079 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:57 Sanctimonius wrote: It must be nice to work in a quantifiable field. All these scientists working together with their results and verifiable data, being nice to each other. Pah. In history you put three historians in a room and you'll get four different opinions and two dead historians. Grats to the scientists and grats to Mr Higgs, it's a grand thing to live to see your theory being proven. Now what does this discovery mean for the world at large, I wonder? And for the LHC? Considering his first paper on this was rejected back in the 60s I doubt they're all nice to each other all the time. =P | ||
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Azera
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insaneMicro
Germany761 Posts
This is quite the discovery, a Nobel or two will come out of this I guess. | ||
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Crappy
France224 Posts
I am serious, everyone seems to be like "this is so cool" but what exactly are we talking about ? Someone care to explain in simple words  ? | ||
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Nihilnovi
Sweden696 Posts
On July 04 2012 18:02 Crappy wrote: Excuse me, but what exactly IS the discovery here ? I am serious, everyone seems to be like "this is so cool" but what exactly are we talking about ? Someone care to explain in simple words ?Kinda feeling the same thing here, is there anyone knowledgeable enough to explain all this in everyday language? | ||
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deceptionx
United States152 Posts
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iXphobos
Germany1464 Posts
On July 04 2012 18:05 deceptionx wrote: Watch the video in the op. This! | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
On July 04 2012 17:59 insaneMicro wrote: I used to live next to CERN´s boss when I was a kid, helped him in the garden etc.(This was before he moved there.) So weird to see him on the big stage like this. This is quite the discovery, a Nobel or two will come out of this I guess. Yep and you can see those who are going to get it speaking now :p | ||
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bara
Germany150 Posts
On July 04 2012 18:04 Nihilnovi wrote: Kinda feeling the same thing here, is there anyone knowledgeable enough to explain all this in everyday language? It is the experimental verification of theories used to explain the behavior of particles. | ||
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HomeWorld
Romania903 Posts
On July 04 2012 18:04 Nihilnovi wrote: Kinda feeling the same thing here, is there anyone knowledgeable enough to explain all this in everyday language? Basically this discovery is a step further in proving that the Standard Model is a valid theory (tho this theory fails to describe dark matter or gravitation for example). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
On July 04 2012 18:04 Nihilnovi wrote: Kinda feeling the same thing here, is there anyone knowledgeable enough to explain all this in everyday language? All elementary particles and their interactions are described by a theory called the Standard Model (SM). When the SM was first conceived, not all particles predicted by it had been observed yet. Over the years, most particles in the SM have been found and the predictions of the SM were tested very thoroughly. Until recently, a single particle had not been observed in experiments. This particle, the Higgs boson, was part of a mechanism (the Higgs mechanism) that is responsible for the differences in mass between all the other particles. The SM predicts many of its properties, except for its mass. In the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), protons have been collided at extremely high energies. Due to the equivalence of energy and mass (the famous e=mc^2 equation), high energies can give rise to the production of massive particles. With millions of collisions per second, the detectors at LHC gathered enormous amounts of data. The presentations today showed that a new particle was found with the properties that were predicted for the Higgs boson. Hints that the Higgs boson existed already came out last year, but the statistical uncertainties were still too large to claim a discovery (~3% chance that the signal was due to random luck). With additional data-taking and more efficient analysis, the researches can now conclusively say that they have found a new particle and that its properties, so far, line up with what was expected of the Higgs boson. The Higgs boson is the last of the predicted particles of the SM to be discovered, so in a sense, the theory is now complete. It's not the end of the search though, because for all its successes, the SM doesn't answer all questions. There has to be additional physics to explain some observations, possibly through new particles. One of the main open questions is the Dark Matter problem: The amount of observed mass in the universe is not nearly enough to explain the motion of galaxies. The largest part of the matter in the universe is expected to consist of particles that we don't know yet. | ||
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
It looks like there's going to be a Press Conference now with a Q&A period! | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
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Eishi_Ki
Korea (South)1667 Posts
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Talho
Belgium592 Posts
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TearsOfTheSun
Canada995 Posts
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kingjames01
Canada1603 Posts
It has properties that match. We will continue to work to see Guardian: LHC is scheduled to have a short shutdown period starting at the end of the year. How far do you expect to get before then? Don't know. We're going to do our best but we won't call it the Higgs at this time. To Peter Higgs: Please comment. Today is for an experimental achievement and it isn't appropriate for me to comment. Why are the masses different? Is that important? The measurements are fully consistent with each other. | ||
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