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On June 13 2012 05:27 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +And you don't feel it at first, but eventually, you start getting addicted to running. I can't go a day without feeling like shit if I don't run. And you start feeling more active too. It's weird. Generally agree, but if he is running really hard all the time you won't ever enjoy that. Hard running flat out hurts and I don't think even many serious runners particularly enjoy the hard workouts, or if they do it's in the sense of the satisfaction you get from improving to new levels.
Well that's why I linked the "guide" in my post too. The guide starts really easy (1 minute of jogging/90 seconds of walking cycles) and builds from there, so that's why I said that I got addicted. Because I started out slow.
Yea, OP, you definitely shouldn't push yourself and make it hurt.
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On June 13 2012 05:40 Whole wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 05:27 L_Master wrote:And you don't feel it at first, but eventually, you start getting addicted to running. I can't go a day without feeling like shit if I don't run. And you start feeling more active too. It's weird. Generally agree, but if he is running really hard all the time you won't ever enjoy that. Hard running flat out hurts and I don't think even many serious runners particularly enjoy the hard workouts, or if they do it's in the sense of the satisfaction you get from improving to new levels. Well that's why I linked the "guide" in my post too. The guide starts really easy (1 minute of jogging/90 seconds of walking cycles) and builds from there, so that's why I said that I got addicted. Because I started out slow. Yea, OP, you definitely shouldn't push yourself and make it hurt.
Oh, I definitely agree. I just wanted to emphasize the importance of learning to run easy, even if there are breaks in there. For instance 1 minute of running with 90s walk break could be done with the running portion at mile race pace, maybe faster. Or it could be done at mile race pace + 3-4 minutes. Both are doable but only one keeps the running portion truly easy, which I guess is the point I was driving at.
No doubt that using a schedule like that is a fantastic way to ease into running though, especially if your work on keeping the running portions legitimately easy.
but if your diet is correct, there is no need for it. I've successfully achieved a bodyfat % of ~8-9% witih pure diet, no running.
Obviously?
Not sure what the point is here. Of course if you have an excellent, calorie controlled diet you don't need to run or do any major exercise to lose weight.
running is bullshit for weight loss. I absolutely hate it. it can accelerate weight loss
Sure, but no more "bullshit" than any other thing. You could as easily replace running in that sentence with weightlifting, cycling, swimming, hiking, etc. in the context of your post.
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On June 13 2012 05:46 L_Master wrote:[ Show nested quote +but if your diet is correct, there is no need for it. I've successfully achieved a bodyfat % of ~8-9% witih pure diet, no running. Obviously? Not sure what the point is here. Of course if you have an excellent, calorie controlled diet you don't need to run or do any major exercise to lose weight.
My point was to inform the OP that he could achieve his weight loss goal by other means - he clearly hates running and I believe it's burning him out. I also believe that the diet aspect of his weight loss is lacking due to his rate of weight loss so far.
On June 13 2012 05:46 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +running is bullshit for weight loss. I absolutely hate it. it can accelerate weight loss Sure, but no more "bullshit" than any other thing. You could as easily replace running in that sentence with weightlifting, cycling, swimming, hiking, etc. in the context of your post.
yes, yes you could. whats your point?
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On June 13 2012 05:59 Sinep wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 05:46 L_Master wrote:[ but if your diet is correct, there is no need for it. I've successfully achieved a bodyfat % of ~8-9% witih pure diet, no running. Obviously? Not sure what the point is here. Of course if you have an excellent, calorie controlled diet you don't need to run or do any major exercise to lose weight. My point was to inform the OP that he could achieve his weight loss goal by other means - he clearly hates running and I believe it's burning him out. I also believe that the diet aspect of his weight loss is lacking due to his rate of weight loss so far. Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 05:46 L_Master wrote:running is bullshit for weight loss. I absolutely hate it. it can accelerate weight loss Sure, but no more "bullshit" than any other thing. You could as easily replace running in that sentence with weightlifting, cycling, swimming, hiking, etc. in the context of your post. yes, yes you could. whats your point?
Gotcha. Pretty much agree with what you wrote. If you dislike running that much nothing wrong with using something you find more engaging or tolerable. There are lots of ways to be active and in shape without running.
As to the second point, it just made it seem like you were calling out running as a particularly bad method of helping weight loss, when it's really just one of a variety of viable choices.
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You might have an addiction. Food addictions are real, and horrible-- it's impossible to quit food so you can't keep the temptation away from you for your entire life. After 4 years, I might look into seeking help for food addiction, and dealing with ways to overcome your cravings.
Never the less you have lost 100 pounds, and are actively making the choice to not give into your cravings every day. That takes a lot of will power and self-discipline. Good for you man, for the good choices you've been making for so long now! It is hard work, and it's work other people don't see or don't appreciate. Keep it up!
I would suggest posting in the Health & Fitness Forum regularly because people there will be more than willing to encourage you as you struggle to lose more weight. Having someone to cheer you on can go a long way.
Proud of you! <3 
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oh god im a relatively skinny person and that macaroni box + jalapeno chips + macaroni box + ketchup bbq salad dressing sounds delicious
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Hey man good on you for losing 100 pounds, that's really impressive so don't get down on yourself too hard. If you really don't like running look for another activity to do that you like. Running really really helps out with your endurance it's pretty amazing so maybe you could try to find a way to make your running more enjoyable.
For me, when I'm on the dreadmill I like to watch SC2 matches or Anime shows. It makes the run more bearable, although it seems to me that the more fit you are the more enjoyable the run will be...
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Keep Up the great work. I used to be over weight and I will say a few things.
- Cravings never actually go away. But, the fact that you went through all that pain to lose the weight, makes you think twice before you down an XL Burrito. Another big thing about weightloss is that you learn moderation and self control.Once the weight is off the occasional indulgence is okay. However get in the habit of calculating calories. May times in eyeballing portions we over estimate. Another big thing is finding substitutes. Have you tried making your own Mac and Cheese with whole grain pasta and real cheese? I took me a while to enjoy healthier food, but you get used to all the energy that comes with eating healthy. Also I love the fact that I always feel full. Eating healthy gives you alot of liberty in eating alot. Just try to reach 2k calories on veggies and lean meats.
-In regards to excersize I did learn to love running, but that came very late. It didn't come until I got in shape. If you need cardio, but dislike running I recommend Insanity. It's a series excersize videos that come with a 60 day exercise plan and a cookbook. I found it very educational and motivational. And it really worked for me.
As for weight-lifting. It became addicting once your at a bodyfat level that allows you to see results. Also IT WILL SUCK THE FIRST 2 WEEKS. This is mainly because the first week hurts, and the second week you feel like a pussy and often will feel sore just like week 1. By week three, if you have been lifting at least 4-5 days a week, you should start feeling definition and workouts won't be as killer the next day.
But Really, consider doing Insanity or finding a running partner. Running partners are great. You don't really talk because your running, but the fact that another person is with you is motivation. Personally, when I run with a girl, I instantly want to impress her, and if I run with a guy, I want to beat him.
Keep the great work up.
P.S. Learning to cook was my saving grace for eating better. Stir-Fry is a great place to start. Also water becomes addicting. I prefer room temp rather then Ice water.
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Great accomplishment, well done! I actually feel really bad for overweight people who genuinely want to change their ways because I'm one of those people who's really slim (like 5'11 and 130 lbs) without really having to do anything, I don't excercise a whole lot and I eat junk like once a week.
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On June 13 2012 04:26 Vega62a wrote:
Something I've noticed is that not everybody is capable of feeling the "runners high" that I hear about a lot. I'm one of those people - exercise does jack shit to my endorphins.
Not to be an ass, but I just don't buy this. Endorphin's aren't something that belong to just some people. Everyone has them and I think every mammal has them too. It's a physiological response to the pain of training. So if you don't experience them, I think that perhaps you are not exercising to full exertion, exercising enough, or doing the wrong exercise. To expand on that, I don't think weight training releases endorphins. I'm no expert though, and I could be wrong.
OP,
http://www.ergo-log.com/training-caffeine-makes-exercise-more-enjoyable.html
http://www.ergo-log.com/waterfun.html
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this might sound stupid, but why dont you try one of those stationairy cycle things they have at gyms (not sure what its called in english)? If you do that on a not too high tempo (but for a slightly longer time) you could distract yourself by fooling around on your ipad or something (maybe watch a movie w/e).. I see a lot of people just sitting on those things for like 1.5 hours and just watching a movie...
Also, lifting weights benefits your digestion. In my case, I started craving healthy food more and more because it started to feel like it was really the only thing that could properly nurture my body (which is actually the case I suppose). Anyways man your a baller for doing this and if you reach your goal you will mentally suck your own dick (by which I mean you will be uber happy with yourself) for the rest of your life because you did something really awesome.
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On June 13 2012 08:08 B.I.G. wrote:
this might sound stupid, but why dont you try one of those stationairy cycle things they have at gyms (not sure what its called in english)? If you do that on a not too high tempo (but for a slightly longer time) you could distract yourself by fooling around on your ipad or something (maybe watch a movie w/e).. I see a lot of people just sitting on those things for like 1.5 hours and just watching a movie...
Those people are at the gym to feel better about themselves, because "Hey look at me guys, I exercise all the time!" - they're not there to get in shape, or to actually be healthy. If you actually go cycling for 1.5 hours at a good pace, you're going to be exhausted for the rest of the day - and FORGET being able to focus on a movie while you're doing it.
On June 13 2012 08:08 B.I.G. wrote:
Also, lifting weights benefits your digestion. In my case, I started craving healthy food more and more because it started to feel like it was really the only thing that could properly nurture my body (which is actually the case I suppose). Anyways man your a baller for doing this and if you reach your goal you will mentally suck your own dick (by which I mean you will be uber happy with yourself) for the rest of your life because you did something really awesome.
Lifting weights is awesome, but it leading you to prefer one type of food is probably all just in your head. Sure, if you're already a skinny guy and you start lifting, it'll make you want to eat "more" but to eat "healthy".... it's gotta be placebo.
@OP - join the TL health & fitness subforum. Always helps to have "partners" or to just be able to talk to other people who are trying to live a healthy life style. Sure, it too often devolves into "I lifted x, z, and r big weight in a, g, and m lifts today guys, I'm awesome!" but... that IS awesome. I can't relate to your journey so far myself - I'm 6'4 as well, but I really just don't like to eat. When I was 19, I decided that I wanted to be bigger, so now I count my calories and fix my diet to gain weight. I'm ~190 lbs right now, and probably the low teens in bodyfat %. I lift weights 4 times a week, work three physical jobs, play rugby, and swim, run sprints or do other cardio in my free time.
I don't enjoy the actual activities either though - I don't like to step into a rack and do a squat. I get scared of the weight, I get angry at the weight, I get tired of being there. I get a tight feeling in my chest when I run my sprints, my knees ache, I think of all the things I could be doing otherwise. But I love the feeling of progressing, and I love to be able to say "I am capable of X." where X is some feat that seems so far out of reach for my friends that it might as well be among the clouds. So I make myself go back on schedule, each time, and I have yet to regret it afterwards.
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Weight lifting is about getting into a routine I find and I suppose running is to. Do I necessarily want to do it all the time I go? No, but when you get started and start moving your first weights around then you get in the zone. Though the thing with weight lifting is that its a lot less boring than running (on a treadmill or something) because your doing the same thing for 30-40 min where as with lifting your doing different exercises every 10min or so and its pretty intense.
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Wow! I just got home from work, didn't really expect all this. Thanks to everyone who took the time to either encourage me or give me some helpful tips. I'm definitely going to try this running easy thing. Currently I am doing the P90X ab ripper routine every second day. I know you can't target weight loss by working specific areas but it seems to help. As of last week I have started a diet of chicken, broccoli, brown rice, yams, and salsa. It's all I've been eating. I know sooner or later I'm going to come to hate this food, but so far it's been pretty good. Cheap too. And yes, I know of the health and fitness sub forum, and I enjoy reading the posts in there. However, I wrote this blog mainly as a reminder to myself. So if I ever start slipping, I can come back here and look and see that I personally said that I hated being overweight. Just in case I later try to rationalize my weight as being not that big a deal. Once again, thx to everyone who posted. In a month or two I'll be giving an update. No photos though, I don't want any of my RL friends knowing what my sig is.
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Wow very nicely done, I definitely don't have that discipline for eating healthy (lucky for me i'm underweight instead of over and can't seem to gain it xD).
I do have to question if you weigh 205 and you are 6 4" and you think you still look fat? That's interesting because my dad is 6 1", about 215-220 and he doesn't look fat, not super skinny but definitely doesn't look fat.
But keep it up man and I don't think I could ever give up junk food and I wonder what will happen when I hit 30 or so when my metabolism slows down and tells me it's time to become fat! 
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I would recommend you P90X! Do your research! Sweat it out and stick to it, the results are breathtaking!
Good luck and start NOW!
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On June 13 2012 05:27 L_Master wrote:Show nested quote +if you really hate running, but want the benefits of running and don't mind absolutely murdering yourself every time you go out, consider high intensity interval training as a substitute. If only it worked this way. Sadly it doesn't. HIIT is a good way to "compress" workouts into a shorter time and arguably provides an even bigger calorie deficit due to increased metabolic process following the training, however, it does not provide the same benefits as running. Running training basically incorporates HIIT from time to time during the season but usually only for 2-3 months at a time. The reason is simple, intervals provide some MAJOR benefits to running fast, and it's not uncommon to drop a respectable amount of time coming out of "base" training and getting into the serious training. However, these benefits are totally different that the ones achieved from easy/steady state/tempo running and after 6-10 weeks are usually pretty much maxed out. Only way to get faster/better shape after that is to return and continue to build that aerobic foundation. Show nested quote +I think some of it might be attitude - some people are better able to look at how good of a workout it is and enjoy themselves - but I don't know that that's something that's easy to develop (although it seems that L_Master did, and I'd love to know whether that took a lot of effort or not much.) I've always had this ability to take things I dislike and either spin them into a positive or at the worst, accept them for what they are and tolerate them. It's just my belief that things like boredom, misery, etc. are a choice. If I am in a class and notice I find it "boring" I start making a point to reframe it as something valuable and then start looking for relevant connections that make the material more interesting or relevant.
In terms of benefits, I mean increased aerobic capacity, increased muscular endurance, and a calorie deficit. Both HIIT and running provide these things. I'd be curious to know what running provides that HIIT doesn't.
As for your ability to spin to a positive outlook, that's extremely fortunate, and I think it's a skill everyone can develop, but it ain't easy. I hope the OP can do it. Hell, I hope I can do it.
On June 13 2012 07:15 guN-viCe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 13 2012 04:26 Vega62a wrote:
Something I've noticed is that not everybody is capable of feeling the "runners high" that I hear about a lot. I'm one of those people - exercise does jack shit to my endorphins. Not to be an ass, but I just don't buy this. Endorphin's aren't something that belong to just some people. Everyone has them and I think every mammal has them too. It's a physiological response to the pain of training. So if you don't experience them, I think that perhaps you are not exercising to full exertion, exercising enough, or doing the wrong exercise. To expand on that, I don't think weight training releases endorphins. I'm no expert though, and I could be wrong.
Dunno what to tell you. All I can say is that I personally know two people (myself and my ex) who don't get a drop of happy off of running, and every time I run, I run until I can't.
Everybody's brain releases and controls its chemicals differently. What works for you and most people might not work for somebody else. That's why we have psychiatric disorders like depression.
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Keep it up man. I lost 50kg last year and I share most of your feelings (I actually enjoy the treadmill after a hard day at work). I still crave all the bad stuff too, but I've learnt to control it. I think the fear of going back to my prev. weight does that. In my head, I always have the quote "The end of craving is the end of suffering." floating around. It's true. I get a high from controlling my cravings and beating them.
I'm 71kg now and I eat fried chicken and pizza from time to time, but I always go for a big workout first. Kills the shame kkkk
Just think man, when you've lost that last bit of weight, if you go for a big run beforehand, you can eat whatever you like afterwards, and you still look great the next day.
Not long to go :D
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Keep it up!
I do have a suggestion though. Try doing a work out video like Insanity and I'll explain why. I used to play soccer competitively for about 15 years so I would run a lot. The only real reason I ran was because of my love for the sport. About a year ago I wanted to get back in shape and lose a little weight so I started running. Man, was it difficult to get the drive to run; I absolutely hate running. Now fast forward to today...
I've been doing Insanity for over a year now and I love it. It's a lot of cardio and plyometrics but no running. I've been doing it with my older brother who started at 250 pounds. He now weighs 170 pounds. He tried running in the past and it was extremely hard to get the motivation to go for a run. So he tried Insanity and he loves it. It's extremely difficult but very satisfying. You should try it out. Just my thoughts.
Congratulations though! Keep it up!
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