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Been playing like shit the entire day, just got worse and worse, im having trouble with TvZ, im losing the majority of my games to much lower ranked players.
And since TvZ is so common on the ladder nowadays having a streak of 4-5 TvZ games isnt unusal and it just makes me angry as fuck, and thus making me play worse in my TvT and TvP which im usually pretty solid in.
I think i need to take a break again from this game because getting this worked up over losing ladder games isnt good -.-
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chill out man, it's ladder. Take a break or make sure you understand that it's ladder therefore it means fuckall
although I feel your pain, I've hit my 8th ZvZ right now, but it evens out because I kind of like the match up
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Yeah, I would recommend just taking a step back to think a little about why you play the game, what are your goals with it and what is important to you.
EDIT: Btw, if your goal is just to win games you could always ask me for a game...
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What tilts me even harder is when I feel like playing this game but got no one to play with... I don't understand, how do you find people to play with if you're not top masters ?
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Well some people gotta understand, that it's only ladder, and losses will only improve your play. If you realize that all ladder matches are just a bo1 and you probably won't meet him again on ladder you can practically do anything and they wouldn't know your playstyle, just all in every game until you get back on track!
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i hit the same streak yesterday man it's really annoying. went from an even record in master league to losing 2-14 and i've been matched up with some plat players :S
try different builds out in singleplayer or custom games and then try them on ladder. if your style is losing a lot trying a different approach to the matchup can be really fun. some games play super aggro like MKP and sometimes take a super early 3rd w/ siege or something
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Yeah if I ever feel frustrated I try my best not to play matches, because I know im on tilt; but sometimes it's hard, because I want to search immediately after in some silly effort to "redeem" myself. Not sure how universal that feeling is though also, 999 posts!!
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Go play some diablo 3. Its just the right amount of satisfying to calm me down after a few losses in a row. I loves smashing shit.
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On April 22 2012 08:52 Pulimuli wrote: Been playing like shit the entire day, just got worse and worse, im having trouble with TvZ, im losing the majority of my games to much lower ranked players.
And since TvZ is so common on the ladder nowadays having a streak of 4-5 TvZ games isnt unusal and it just makes me angry as fuck, and thus making me play worse in my TvT and TvP which im usually pretty solid in.
I think i need to take a break again from this game because getting this worked up over losing ladder games isnt good -.- You must realize that from one point on, every zerg in ladder can and will beat you if left alone. You can't ever EVER outmacro a zerg as terran. The only difference between lower ranked masters zergs and higher/gm is how they respond to pressure, missing injects, floating minerals, etc. Let's face it, the zerg can stay 15 minutes and defend your pressure, then if he did not make any major mistakes, steamroll you.
It is on you to act, pressuring, expanding and not mismicroing and mismacroing and gain an advantage before the 18 minute mark cause if you don't, you, as a rule of thumb, have lost the game. Think of TvZ as a race against the clock and another player where the other player has a huge unfair advantage and you have to take this advantage tiny part by tiny part.
Trying to do weird stuffs like 3 cc and then staying defensive is not gonna help you since even if you go 10 command centers, you can't catch up with an unpressured zerg who is just able to produce 16 workers per cycle out of two bases if he feels unthreatened.
Since your problem seems to be against much lower ranked players, in theory, they should be much worse than you. What you have to do is pressure them so they miss injects, overmake lings or drones (in which case you should kill them outright). I can tell you in lower masters there are some zergs making 16 drones blindly while having a single spine and 3 queens for defense. It is up to you to crush them like the sneaky bugs that they are. Cause if you don't do it in time, even puny little players will defeat you.
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On April 22 2012 19:25 sieksdekciw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:52 Pulimuli wrote: Been playing like shit the entire day, just got worse and worse, im having trouble with TvZ, im losing the majority of my games to much lower ranked players.
And since TvZ is so common on the ladder nowadays having a streak of 4-5 TvZ games isnt unusal and it just makes me angry as fuck, and thus making me play worse in my TvT and TvP which im usually pretty solid in.
I think i need to take a break again from this game because getting this worked up over losing ladder games isnt good -.- You must realize that from one point on, every zerg in ladder can and will beat you if left alone. You can't ever EVER outmacro a zerg as terran. The only difference between lower ranked masters zergs and higher/gm is how they respond to pressure, missing injects, floating minerals, etc. Let's face it, the zerg can stay 15 minutes and defend your pressure, then if he did not make any major mistakes, steamroll you. It is on you to act, pressuring, expanding and not mismicroing and mismacroing and gain an advantage before the 18 minute mark cause if you don't, you, as a rule of thumb, have lost the game. Think of TvZ as a race against the clock and another player where the other player has a huge unfair advantage and you have to take this advantage tiny part by tiny part. Trying to do weird stuffs like 3 cc and then staying defensive is not gonna help you since even if you go 10 command centers, you can't catch up with an unpressured zerg who is just able to produce 16 workers per cycle out of two bases if he feels unthreatened. Since your problem seems to be against much lower ranked players, in theory, they should be much worse than you. What you have to do is pressure them so they miss injects, overmake lings or drones (in which case you should kill them outright). I can tell you in lower masters there are some zergs making 16 drones blindly while having a single spine and 3 queens for defense. It is up to you to crush them like the sneaky bugs that they are. Cause if you don't do it in time, even puny little players will defeat you.
No, just no. It is entirely possible to play a macro game against zerg without harrassing. Is it as powerful? Maybe not, but still possible.
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On April 22 2012 23:19 thehepp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 19:25 sieksdekciw wrote:On April 22 2012 08:52 Pulimuli wrote: Been playing like shit the entire day, just got worse and worse, im having trouble with TvZ, im losing the majority of my games to much lower ranked players.
And since TvZ is so common on the ladder nowadays having a streak of 4-5 TvZ games isnt unusal and it just makes me angry as fuck, and thus making me play worse in my TvT and TvP which im usually pretty solid in.
I think i need to take a break again from this game because getting this worked up over losing ladder games isnt good -.- You must realize that from one point on, every zerg in ladder can and will beat you if left alone. You can't ever EVER outmacro a zerg as terran. The only difference between lower ranked masters zergs and higher/gm is how they respond to pressure, missing injects, floating minerals, etc. Let's face it, the zerg can stay 15 minutes and defend your pressure, then if he did not make any major mistakes, steamroll you. It is on you to act, pressuring, expanding and not mismicroing and mismacroing and gain an advantage before the 18 minute mark cause if you don't, you, as a rule of thumb, have lost the game. Think of TvZ as a race against the clock and another player where the other player has a huge unfair advantage and you have to take this advantage tiny part by tiny part. Trying to do weird stuffs like 3 cc and then staying defensive is not gonna help you since even if you go 10 command centers, you can't catch up with an unpressured zerg who is just able to produce 16 workers per cycle out of two bases if he feels unthreatened. Since your problem seems to be against much lower ranked players, in theory, they should be much worse than you. What you have to do is pressure them so they miss injects, overmake lings or drones (in which case you should kill them outright). I can tell you in lower masters there are some zergs making 16 drones blindly while having a single spine and 3 queens for defense. It is up to you to crush them like the sneaky bugs that they are. Cause if you don't do it in time, even puny little players will defeat you. No, just no. It is entirely possible to play a macro game against zerg without harrassing. Is it as powerful? Maybe not, but still possible.
No. Just no. What you are saying is like : It is entirely possible to jump off a bridge without parachute. Is it as safe as jumping with a parachute? Maybe not, but still possible...
While I entirely recognize that you have the right to play stupidly, don't try to force your opinion (which is wrong) over the common opinion, which is:
Terran HAS to pressure the zerg/toss. Macro game or not, you have to pressure the zerg. You have to. That's it.
Dude. Listen up. I am not denying the fact that you can play a macro game against a zerg. However, during this macro game you have to be the one that is doing the damage, that is harrassing, etc. If you don't make the zerg spend some larvae on units but on drones, he will have huge advantage compared to you.
So. If you play passively a macro game against a zerg, even if you play greedily:
-> He will have vision on the whole map -> He will have 1.5 times your income -> He will have the possibility to insta switch tech after an engagement -> Broodlords to ultras to broodlords again, mass zerglings running everywhere.
If you play aggressively a macro game against a zerg
-> He will have less creep spread -> He will have slightly higher income than you -> He will not have a huge banked up amount of resources since you made him use larvae on units not on drones
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On April 22 2012 19:25 sieksdekciw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 08:52 Pulimuli wrote: Been playing like shit the entire day, just got worse and worse, im having trouble with TvZ, im losing the majority of my games to much lower ranked players.
And since TvZ is so common on the ladder nowadays having a streak of 4-5 TvZ games isnt unusal and it just makes me angry as fuck, and thus making me play worse in my TvT and TvP which im usually pretty solid in.
I think i need to take a break again from this game because getting this worked up over losing ladder games isnt good -.- You must realize that from one point on, every zerg in ladder can and will beat you if left alone. You can't ever EVER outmacro a zerg as terran. The only difference between lower ranked masters zergs and higher/gm is how they respond to pressure, missing injects, floating minerals, etc. Let's face it, the zerg can stay 15 minutes and defend your pressure, then if he did not make any major mistakes, steamroll you. It is on you to act, pressuring, expanding and not mismicroing and mismacroing and gain an advantage before the 18 minute mark cause if you don't, you, as a rule of thumb, have lost the game. Think of TvZ as a race against the clock and another player where the other player has a huge unfair advantage and you have to take this advantage tiny part by tiny part. Trying to do weird stuffs like 3 cc and then staying defensive is not gonna help you since even if you go 10 command centers, you can't catch up with an unpressured zerg who is just able to produce 16 workers per cycle out of two bases if he feels unthreatened. Since your problem seems to be against much lower ranked players, in theory, they should be much worse than you. What you have to do is pressure them so they miss injects, overmake lings or drones (in which case you should kill them outright). I can tell you in lower masters there are some zergs making 16 drones blindly while having a single spine and 3 queens for defense. It is up to you to crush them like the sneaky bugs that they are. Cause if you don't do it in time, even puny little players will defeat you.
I harass like crazy in TvZ, i play insanely aggressive.
Anyhow im taking a couple of days break to calm down. Went from rank 2 masters at 800 points to like 580 points yesterday and i felt like smashing stuff, which isnt good :b
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On April 23 2012 05:29 Pulimuli wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 19:25 sieksdekciw wrote:On April 22 2012 08:52 Pulimuli wrote: Been playing like shit the entire day, just got worse and worse, im having trouble with TvZ, im losing the majority of my games to much lower ranked players.
And since TvZ is so common on the ladder nowadays having a streak of 4-5 TvZ games isnt unusal and it just makes me angry as fuck, and thus making me play worse in my TvT and TvP which im usually pretty solid in.
I think i need to take a break again from this game because getting this worked up over losing ladder games isnt good -.- You must realize that from one point on, every zerg in ladder can and will beat you if left alone. You can't ever EVER outmacro a zerg as terran. The only difference between lower ranked masters zergs and higher/gm is how they respond to pressure, missing injects, floating minerals, etc. Let's face it, the zerg can stay 15 minutes and defend your pressure, then if he did not make any major mistakes, steamroll you. It is on you to act, pressuring, expanding and not mismicroing and mismacroing and gain an advantage before the 18 minute mark cause if you don't, you, as a rule of thumb, have lost the game. Think of TvZ as a race against the clock and another player where the other player has a huge unfair advantage and you have to take this advantage tiny part by tiny part. Trying to do weird stuffs like 3 cc and then staying defensive is not gonna help you since even if you go 10 command centers, you can't catch up with an unpressured zerg who is just able to produce 16 workers per cycle out of two bases if he feels unthreatened. Since your problem seems to be against much lower ranked players, in theory, they should be much worse than you. What you have to do is pressure them so they miss injects, overmake lings or drones (in which case you should kill them outright). I can tell you in lower masters there are some zergs making 16 drones blindly while having a single spine and 3 queens for defense. It is up to you to crush them like the sneaky bugs that they are. Cause if you don't do it in time, even puny little players will defeat you. I harass like crazy in TvZ, i play insanely aggressive. Anyhow im taking a couple of days break to calm down. Went from rank 2 masters at 800 points to like 580 points yesterday and i felt like smashing stuff, which isnt good :b Don't worry sir, your frustration comes from the fact that zergs just win if you don't do stuff to them, but they expet that you will be doing stuff to them so they make doing stuff to them extremely hard and you end up annoyed because you knew you had to do stuff to them but cou;ldn't since they expected you would be doing stuff to them. I get this feeling a lot. It's called 'a suspicion that zerg has to do far less stuff vs me in order to win'. I get that feeling against toss as well.
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On April 23 2012 01:04 sieksdekciw wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2012 23:19 thehepp wrote:On April 22 2012 19:25 sieksdekciw wrote:On April 22 2012 08:52 Pulimuli wrote: Been playing like shit the entire day, just got worse and worse, im having trouble with TvZ, im losing the majority of my games to much lower ranked players.
And since TvZ is so common on the ladder nowadays having a streak of 4-5 TvZ games isnt unusal and it just makes me angry as fuck, and thus making me play worse in my TvT and TvP which im usually pretty solid in.
I think i need to take a break again from this game because getting this worked up over losing ladder games isnt good -.- You must realize that from one point on, every zerg in ladder can and will beat you if left alone. You can't ever EVER outmacro a zerg as terran. The only difference between lower ranked masters zergs and higher/gm is how they respond to pressure, missing injects, floating minerals, etc. Let's face it, the zerg can stay 15 minutes and defend your pressure, then if he did not make any major mistakes, steamroll you. It is on you to act, pressuring, expanding and not mismicroing and mismacroing and gain an advantage before the 18 minute mark cause if you don't, you, as a rule of thumb, have lost the game. Think of TvZ as a race against the clock and another player where the other player has a huge unfair advantage and you have to take this advantage tiny part by tiny part. Trying to do weird stuffs like 3 cc and then staying defensive is not gonna help you since even if you go 10 command centers, you can't catch up with an unpressured zerg who is just able to produce 16 workers per cycle out of two bases if he feels unthreatened. Since your problem seems to be against much lower ranked players, in theory, they should be much worse than you. What you have to do is pressure them so they miss injects, overmake lings or drones (in which case you should kill them outright). I can tell you in lower masters there are some zergs making 16 drones blindly while having a single spine and 3 queens for defense. It is up to you to crush them like the sneaky bugs that they are. Cause if you don't do it in time, even puny little players will defeat you. No, just no. It is entirely possible to play a macro game against zerg without harrassing. Is it as powerful? Maybe not, but still possible. No. Just no. What you are saying is like : It is entirely possible to jump off a bridge without parachute. Is it as safe as jumping with a parachute? Maybe not, but still possible... While I entirely recognize that you have the right to play stupidly, don't try to force your opinion (which is wrong) over the common opinion, which is: Terran HAS to pressure the zerg/toss. Macro game or not, you have to pressure the zerg. You have to. That's it. Dude. Listen up. I am not denying the fact that you can play a macro game against a zerg. However, during this macro game you have to be the one that is doing the damage, that is harrassing, etc. If you don't make the zerg spend some larvae on units but on drones, he will have huge advantage compared to you. So. If you play passively a macro game against a zerg, even if you play greedily: -> He will have vision on the whole map -> He will have 1.5 times your income -> He will have the possibility to insta switch tech after an engagement -> Broodlords to ultras to broodlords again, mass zerglings running everywhere. If you play aggressively a macro game against a zerg -> He will have less creep spread -> He will have slightly higher income than you -> He will not have a huge banked up amount of resources since you made him use larvae on units not on drones If your definition of aggression is reactored hellions then yes I agree with you. After reactored hellions a fast third is viable and is done and no pressure besides hellions needs to be applied until you push after +2 +1.
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I feel your pain, basically been on an extended tilting streak this entire season and most of my games are rage laddering past midnight so I'm pretty awful rank- and skill-wise now. Also bm'd a lot of poor opponents :-(. Worst part is I've been basically tilt-free my entire sc2 career up until now.
Yesterday I decided to play like a true protoss and cannon rush. Won a few, lost more of them in hilarious ways, but for some reason it really cleared my mind. After I stopped doing stupid builds I played a lot better, kinda like how I was playing last season. Usually when I'm tilting and try to allin it just fails miserably and I tilt even harder, but I think this time it helped cause cannon rush is basically a 10 apm cheese you don't have to micro well or hit a very precise timing. Maybe try some tvz equivalents (dunno really, but proxy 11/11 and 1 base marauder/hellion?).
then there's standard advice about taking a break after losing streak, proper mindset, watching streams instead of playing, etc, but of course you know all of that...
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For me the best way to handle this is playing some games versus the pc and making sure your macro is not at fault. Go take a walk outside first though and get some fresh air. Get something nice to drink and eat and watch something (related or not to starcraft) funny to clear your mind some more. After you feel better, get some games vs the pc going and start playing again.
And even though some situations in game may seem bad, you don't know the entire situation. So your hellion harrass didn't kill many drones, but he made 50 zerglings ? That's a lot of larvae which could have been drones. What I'm saying is, sometimes you think a situation is worse than it actually is. hope this helps.
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