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ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-30 00:35:39
January 29 2009 16:55 GMT
#1
I highly recommend people read this book, the author had 2 dads, one rich and one poor, both taught him different things and had different success in life. It is about how your parents teach you and what you think about studying hard in school and that will translate into a bright future is wrong(especially true in Asian families). Instead you have to develop your financial IQ, the book goes into alot of detail in many aspects but it will be too hard to me to type and present all of them here, so I just picked whatever I thought it is important and educational.

It seems people misunderstood from few quotes I posted, this is not trying to tell you stop studying and get rich now, it is trying to give you another perspective if you want to become rich but stuck in the studying hard pathway. Hence I added more quotes to demonstrate his ideas.

I'll just present some quotes from the book:

"Today, the most dangerous advice you can give a child is `Go to school, get good grades and look for a safe secure job,' " he likes to say. "That is old advice, and it's bad advice. If you could see what is happening in Asia, Europe, South America, you would be as concerned as I am."

""If you look at the life of the average-educated, hard-working person, there is a similar path. The child is born and goes to school. The proud parents are excited because the child excels, gets fair to good grades, and is acceptedinto a college. The child graduates, maybe goes on to graduate school and then does exactly as programmed: looks for a safe, secure job or career. The child finds that job, maybe as a doctor or a lawyer, or joins the Army or works for the government. Generally, the child begins to make money, credit cards start to arrive in mass, and the shopping begins, if it already hasn't."Having money to burn, the child goes to places where other young people just like them hang out, and they meet people, they date, and sometimes they get married. Life is wonderful now, because today, both men and women work. Two incomes are bliss. They feel successful, their future is bright, and they decide to buy a house, a car, a television, take vacations and have children. The happy bundle arrives. The demand for cash is enormous. The happy couple decides that their careers are vitally important and begin to work harder, seeking promotions and raises. The raises come, and so does another child and the need for a bigger house. They work harder, become better employees, even more dedicated. They go back to school to get more specialized skills so they can earn more money. Maybe they take a second job. Their incomes go up, but so does the tax bracket they're in and the real estate taxes on their new large home, and their Social Security taxes, and all the other taxes. They get their large paycheck and wonder where all the money went. They buy some mutual funds and buy groceries with their credit card. The children reach 5 or 6 years of age, and the need to save for college increases as well as the need to save for their retirement.That happy couple, born 35 years ago, is now trapped in the Rat Race for the rest of their working days. They work for the owners of their company, for the government paying taxes, and for the bank paying off a mortgage and credit cards.Then, they advise their own children to `study hard, get good grades, and find a safe job or career.' They learn nothing about money, except from those who profit from their naïveté, and work hard all their lives. The process repeats into another hard-working generation. This is the `Rat Race'.The only way to get out of the "Rat Race" is to prove your proficiency at both accounting and investing, arguably two of the most difficult subjects to master. As a trained CPA who once worked for a Big 8 accounting firm, I was surprised that Robert had made the learning of these two subjects both fun and exciting. The process was so well disguised that while we were diligently working to get out of the "Rat Race," we quickly forgot we were learning.

"As your cash flow grows, you can buy some luxuries. An important distinction is that rich people buy luxuries last, while the poor and middle class tend to buy luxuries first. The poor and the middle class often buy luxury items such as big house, diamonds, furs, jewelry or boats because they want to look rich. They look rich, but in reality they just get deeper in debt on credit. The old-money people, the long-term rich, built their asset column first. Then, the income generated from asset column bought their luxuries. The poor and middle class buy luxuries with their own sweat, blood and children's inheritance."

"A few days ago, my car was not running well. I pulled into a garage, and the young mechanic had it fixed in just a few minutes. He knew what was wrong by simply listening to the engine. I was amazed. The sad truth is, great talent is not enough."

"Job is an acronym for just over broke"

"There are so many "intelligent" people who argue or defend when a new idea clashes with the way they think. in this case, their so-called "intelligence" combined with "arrogance" equals "ignorance"

"A truly intelligent person welcomes new ideas, for new ideas can add to the synergy of other accumulated ideas. Listening is more important than talking. If that was not true, God would not have given us two ears and only one mouth. Too many people think with their mouth instead of listening to absorb new ideas and possibilities. They argue instead of asking questions."

"My two dads had opposing attitudes in thought. One dad thought that the rich should pay more in taxes to take care of those less fortunate. The other said, "Taxes punish those who produce and reward those who don't produce." One dad recommended, "Study hard so you can find a good company to work for." The other recommended, "Study hard so you can find a good company to buy."

"He explained that the idea of taxes was made popular, and accepted by the majority, by telling the poor and the middle class that taxes were created only to punish the rich. This is how the masses voted for the law, and it became constitutionally legal. Although it was intended to punish the rich, in reality it wound up punishing the very people who voted for it, the poor and middle class."

New quotes below:

"Rich dad went on to explain that a human's life is a struggle between ignorance and illumination.
He explained that once a person stops searching for information and knowledge of one's self, ignorance sets in. That struggle is a moment-to-moment decision-to learn to open or close one's mind. "Look, school is very, very important. You go to school to learn a skill or profession so as to be a contributing member of society. Every culture needs teachers, doctors, mechanics, artists, cooks, business people, police officers, firefighters, soldiers. Schools train them so our culture can thrive and flourish," said rich dad. "Unfortunately, for many people, school is the end, not the beginning."

"Never forget, because your two emotions, fear and desire, can lead you into life's biggest trap, if you're not aware of them controlling your thinking. To spend your life living in fear, never exploring your dreams, is cruel. To work hard for money, thinking that money will buy you things that will make you happy is also cruel. To wake up in the middle of the night terrified about paying bills is a horrible way to live. To live a life dictated by the size of a paycheck is not really a life. Thinking that a job will make you feel secure is lying to yourself. That's cruel, and that's the trap I want you to avoid, if possible. I've seen how money runs people's lives. Don't let that happen to you. Please don't let money run your life."

"Most people fail to realize that in life, it's not how much money you make, it's how much money you keep. We have all heard stories of lottery winners who are poor, then suddenly rich, then poor again. They win millions and are soon back to where they started. Or stories of professional athletes, who, at the age of 24, are earning millions of dollars a year, and are sleeping under a bridge by age 34. In the paper this morning, as I write this, there is a story of a young basketball player who a year ago had millions. Today, he claims his friends, attorney and accountant took his money, and now he works at a car wash for minimum wage."

So as I said earlier, my rich dad simply told two young boys that "assets put money in your pocket." Nice, simple and usable.
"This is Cash Flow pattern of a liability."
+------------------------+
|Income |
|-------------------------
| Expense |
+-----|\-------------------+
| \------------------------------>
---------------------------|--------+
| Assets | Liabilities |
| | |
|_________|____________|
Now that assets and liabilities have been defined through pictures, it may be easier to understand my definitions in words. An asset is something that puts money in my pocket. A liability is something that takes money out of my pocket. This is really all you need to know. If you want to be rich, simply spend your life buying assets. If you want to be poor or middle class, spend your life buying liabilities. It's not knowing the difference that causes most of the financial struggle in the real world."

"Because students leave school without financial skills, millions of educated people pursue their profession successfully, but later find themselves struggling financially. They work harder, but don't get ahead. What is missing from their education is not how to make money, but how to spend money-what to do after you make it. It's called financial aptitude-what you do with the money once you make it, how to keep people from taking it from you, how long you keep it, and how hard that money works for you."

"The No. 1 expense for most people is taxes. Many people think it's income tax, but for most Americans their highest tax is Social Security. As an employee, it appears as if the Social Security tax combined with the Medicare tax rate is roughly 7.5 percent, but it's really 15 percent since the employer must match the Social Security amount. In essence, it is money the employer cannot pay you. On top of that, you still have to pay income tax on the amount deducted from your wages for Social Security tax, income you never receive because it went directly to Social Security through withholding. Then, their liabilities go up.
This is best demonstrated by going back to the young couple. As a result of their incomes going up, they decide to go out and buy the house of their dreams. Once in their house, they have a new tax, called property tax. Then, they buy a new car, new furniture and new appliances to match [heir new house. Ail of a sudden, they wake up and their liabilities column is full of mortgage debt and credit-card debt.
They're now trapped in the rat race. A child comes along. They work harder. The process repeats itself. More money and higher taxes, also called bracket creep, A credit card comes in the mail. They use it. It maxes out. A loan company calls and says their greatest "asset," their home, has appreciated in value. The company offers a "bill consolidation" loan, because their credit is so good, and tells them the intelligent thing to do is clear off the high-interest consumer debt by paying off their credit card. And besides, interest on their home is a tax deduction. They go for it, and pay off those high-interest credit cards. They breathe a sigh of relief. Their credit cards are paid off.They've now folded their consumer debt into their home mortgage. Their payments go down because they extend their debt over 30 years. It is the smart thing to do."

Discuss.......


Hikou Shinketsushuu
BuGzlToOnl
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5918 Posts
January 29 2009 16:57 GMT
#2
Underlying the quotes makes them harder to read IMO.
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Rotodyne
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United States2263 Posts
January 29 2009 17:00 GMT
#3
i can't read this until the underline is taken off
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ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
January 29 2009 17:01 GMT
#4
fixed!
Hikou Shinketsushuu
Spenguin
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Australia3316 Posts
January 29 2009 17:07 GMT
#5
Which reminds me I must read that book.
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KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
January 29 2009 17:08 GMT
#6
I fail to se why the so called "rat race" is such a bad thing.
As a society we have accomplished remarkable things, we live for 3-4 times longer than what our bodies originally evolved to handle, we do not need to fear predators or even (in the west) hunger, we have been on the highest mountains, in the deepest seas and even done what no living thing before us could do, been on the moon.
No person could have done this by herself, it's all made possible by and only by millions and millions of people running said rat race.
It's not a bad thing, and in the end it's the only way for our species to live on.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
ilovehnk
Profile Joined October 2008
475 Posts
January 29 2009 17:10 GMT
#7
I also added couple more quotes at bottom about rich dad and poor dad conversation, and taxes...
Hikou Shinketsushuu
HamerD
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1922 Posts
January 29 2009 17:16 GMT
#8
Cool, pretty valid and interesting points. Klackon has of course pointed out the important counter argument. If everyone wants to own business, who will work? Everyone lives with a bit of pressure on them, don't they? If they don't, they are probably spoiled or very lucky. The points about buying luxuries first is very interesting though. I'll probably buy this boo----oh wait...maybe I should buy its printing press
"Oh no, we've drawn Judge Schneider" "Is that bad?" "Well, he's had it in for me ever since I kinda ran over his dog" "You did?" "Yeah...if you replace the word *kinda* with *repeatedly*...and the word *dog* with son"
Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-29 17:18:17
January 29 2009 17:16 GMT
#9
LOL @ the underline...I guess I came in right on time.

This seems like a interesting read. I am in the middle of reading Howard Hughes autobiography and it sorta relates to this in financial terms.

On January 30 2009 01:55 ilovehnk wrote:
"There are so many "intelligent" people who argue or defend when a new idea clashes with the way they think. in this case, their so-called "intelligence" combined with "arrogance" equals "ignorance"

"A truly intelligent person welcomes new ideas, for new ideas can add to the synergy of other accumulated ideas. Listening is more important than talking. If that was not true, God would not have given us two ears and only one mouth. Too many people think with their mouth instead of listening to absorb new ideas and possibilities. They argue instead of asking questions.

A fool takes no pleasure in understanding but only in expressing his opinion.

Read that somewhere and too lazy to google it atm.
ya had ya shot kid!
inReacH
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Sweden1612 Posts
January 29 2009 17:34 GMT
#10
Torrenting the book now, looks good.
Phrujbaz
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Netherlands512 Posts
January 29 2009 17:38 GMT
#11
I advise against this book.

http://johntreed.com/Kiyosaki.html

Instead I recommend the millionare next door
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FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-29 17:42:07
January 29 2009 17:40 GMT
#12
this guy seems to have a wierd set of priorities and a twisted view of the average man's life

it's not a new viewpoint either, people have understood that work sucks (even a career you really enjoy sucks every so often) since organized employment was concieved

he also comes off as a total asshole and doesn't seem to realize that lots of people are perfectly content in their chosen career and the 'big 8 firm' wouldn't exist if the companies he dealt with didn't have those employees

every quote you've posted gives off this gross, overblown machismo vibe. i can only assume that since all of these quotes fit this bill, the rest of the book does as well. that tells me this guy thinks he's better than people who have less money than he does. especially that part about 'rich people buy luxuries last, poor people buy luxuries first because they want people to think they're rich'

all i can do is shake my head when people praise bullshit like this
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32056 Posts
January 29 2009 17:42 GMT
#13
On January 30 2009 02:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
this guy seems to have a wierd set of priorities and a twisted view of the average man's life

it's not a new viewpoint either, people have understood that work sucks (even a career you really enjoy sucks every so often) since organized employment was concieved

he also comes off as a total asshole and doesn't seem to realize that lots of people are perfectly content in their chosen career and the 'big 8 firm' wouldn't exist if the companies he dealt with didn't have those employees

every quote you've posted gives off this gross, overblown machismo vibe. i can only assume that since all of these quotes fit this bill, the rest of the book does as well. that tells me this guy thinks he's better than people who have less money than he does. especially that part about 'rich people buy luxuries last, poor people buy luxuries first because they want people to think they're rich'

all i can do is shake my head when people praise bullshit like this


Seconding this. Guy sounds like a tool. I guess taxes don't go towards roadways, sewers, etc??
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EpiK
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5757 Posts
January 29 2009 17:43 GMT
#14
Thanks for reminding me to read this book..

you forgot to mention the author's name in the OP. It's Robert Kiyosaki
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
January 29 2009 17:44 GMT
#15
and really, who's gonna make a ton of money because they can tell what's wrong with a car with ease? that skill allows you to be a fucking great mechanic, but its ludicrous to use that as an example of why great talent isn't enough
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Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
January 29 2009 17:52 GMT
#16
WSJ is an anti

anti enough for me.
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MasterZilla
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Sweden234 Posts
January 29 2009 17:55 GMT
#17
Kiyosaki wrote a book together with Donald Trump called "Why we want you to be rich" which is an interesting read. It doesn't deal with how to make money, but rather why it is important for people to understand the fundamentals of how money is made.

I haven't read "Rich dad, poor dad", but it's been on my "to read" list for a while.
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Naib
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Hungary4843 Posts
January 29 2009 17:56 GMT
#18
Eh, you shouldn't fall for random motivational books that pull stuff out of their ass. I read a praising review about this in my uni's weekly paper, and I couldn't feel anything but sadness that even supposedly educated people fall for this crap...
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zizou21
Profile Joined September 2006
United States3683 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-01-29 18:18:19
January 29 2009 18:15 GMT
#19
On January 30 2009 01:55 ilovehnk wrote:


"A truly intelligent person welcomes new ideas, for new ideas can add to the synergy of other accumulated ideas. Listening is more important than talking. If that was not true, God would not have given us two ears and only one mouth. Too many people think with their mouth instead of listening to absorb new ideas and possibilities. They argue instead of asking questions."




stopped reading. in all seriousness, this book sounds like pure drivel
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Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
January 29 2009 18:24 GMT
#20
Great books imo, i know thats enough to be branded as an ignorant uneducated moron by TL.nets 'elite' but you can suck my balls. As with anything else, you shouldnt place this on a pedestal and base your life on it, but it does have some good advice. Particularly the "dont work for money" motto and the "get a job to learn more than to earn money".
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