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On January 30 2009 01:55 ilovehnk wrote:
"A truly intelligent person welcomes new ideas, for new ideas can add to the synergy of other accumulated ideas. Listening is more important than talking. If that was not true, God would not have given us two ears and only one mouth. Too many people think with their mouth instead of listening to absorb new ideas and possibilities. They argue instead of asking questions."
Haha...he stole that line from Everybody Loves Raymond. Or was it eyes in the front and ears on the side...I dun remember...-_-
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On January 30 2009 03:15 zizou21 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 01:55 ilovehnk wrote:
"A truly intelligent person welcomes new ideas, for new ideas can add to the synergy of other accumulated ideas. Listening is more important than talking. If that was not true, God would not have given us two ears and only one mouth. Too many people think with their mouth instead of listening to absorb new ideas and possibilities. They argue instead of asking questions."
stopped reading. in all seriousness, this book sounds like pure drivel
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Oh and he barely mentions god all for all of you 'christian = dumbass' bandwagonners. I wouldnt even remember about it if it wasnt for that quote.
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I think he is trying to teach those "who want to be rich and got stuck in this work hard and find good job later" people. Some people are quite fine with their life even though they are not rich, it is just his view on how you should be rich when you want to be rich, not necessarily trying to advocate "everyone stop going to school and studying your ass off so you can have 50k/year salary" that kind of mentality.
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On January 30 2009 03:47 Cloud wrote:
Oh and he barely mentions god all for all of you 'christian = dumbass' bandwagonners. I wouldnt even remember about it if it wasnt for that quote.
Hey, no need to get so worked up as it was a strategy forum discussion where you simply didn't understand what the other person said, okay?
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great book.. havent read it because i dont have the book but i think its a great book by reading what the topic starter posted on the first thread.
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You know Cloud, the problem with this book is not that what you quoted - that's good motivational stuff, that you could find anywhere else or just think logically and find out yourself.
The problem with this book is that it spouts lies and factual errors, deceiving it's readers while posing as the almighty know-it-all and hiding behind encouraging phrases.
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On January 30 2009 02:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
this guy seems to have a wierd set of priorities and a twisted view of the average man's life
it's not a new viewpoint either, people have understood that work sucks (even a career you really enjoy sucks every so often) since organized employment was concieved
he also comes off as a total asshole and doesn't seem to realize that lots of people are perfectly content in their chosen career and the 'big 8 firm' wouldn't exist if the companies he dealt with didn't have those employees
every quote you've posted gives off this gross, overblown machismo vibe. i can only assume that since all of these quotes fit this bill, the rest of the book does as well. that tells me this guy thinks he's better than people who have less money than he does. especially that part about 'rich people buy luxuries last, poor people buy luxuries first because they want people to think they're rich'
all i can do is shake my head when people praise bullshit like this
got the same grip from the quotes - thanks for typing it out
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I have not read this book, so I'll try to keep an open mind about it and not bash it directly. I have however seen people use it to promote horrible business and financial practices such as pyramid schemes and multi-level marketing.
Job is an acronym for just over broke.
I HATE this line/catch phrase, whatever you want to call it and I would be extremely wary of anyone who uses it. I'll be general here again because I don't know specifically what is in RDPD. People who use this phrase use it because they know there is a large potential audience of unhappy people working at jobs who will gravitate towards the idea that this is not how things are supposed to be. They want to believe that something like creating a "cash flow" is a universaly viable alternative to having to work for your money. The dirty secret most of these people have is that they did not become rich by applying the principles they're selling, they got rich by targetting this unhappy demographic and getting a bunch of them to buy the book/video series/tapes/course that they're selling. You have to use your own judgement obviously because otherwise you'd just assume any book with a price tag is a scam. However whenever I see someone willing to sell "secrets" to success, the real secret is probably nothing more than to come up with a "secret" that will sell.
This reminds me of a Foxtrot comic. I couldn't find it but I think the jist was something like:
Jason: Hey Dad, watcha reading?
Dad: This book explains how to become a millionaire! The first step is to write a book that retails for $40, then sell it to 25,000 people.
Jason: How much was that book again?
The whole top paragrah about the family with the two incomes and the ratrace is a total bait and switch. He talks about people living beyond their means, taking out loans, buying too much with credit cards and at the end, the problem is supposed to be that they had jobs? The problem isn't that they didn't have enough money, it's that they lived above their means! I'm the oldest of 8 kids in a single income family (since graduated college and moved out) and I've never lacked anything my whole life. If you have a home with two incomes from college educated people and it isn't working out for you, it's because you've made poor spending choices. Don't buy what you can't afford. It's pretty simple.
A truly intelligent person welcomes new ideas, for new ideas can add to the synergy of other accumulated ideas. Listening is more important than talking. If that was not true, God would not have given us two ears and only one mouth. Too many people think with their mouth instead of listening to absorb new ideas and possibilities. They argue instead of asking questions.
When talking with people who are dead set on getting rid of their j.o.b. and are reading books like RDPD, I have tried to ask questions. They're more than happy to regurgitate what they've read in these $40 books or heard at the $250 seminars, but ask them how much money they've made in their new and radical business ventures and the answers get a lot more vague. You hear things like:
"Well, most businesses take 5 years to make money and I've already made some, so I'm ahead of the curve." (no mention at all of how much, any at all is seen as success)
"It doesn't matter how much I've made. It just matters that I'm on the right path now."
"It doesn't matter how much I've made, I'm setting up a flow that will just keep working once it's off the ground."
"Ask me again in a year and I'll be happy to tell you" (That was 3 years ago)
In the end, it always boils down to "I can see you're not willing to consider these new and different ideas so what's the point of talking to you? I'd just be exposing myself to negativity" They'd rather pay for the privilege to be exposed to some overly positive drivel.
I could go on, since this is a subject I can get pretty fired up about, but I'd better cut myself short and just post what I have so far.
In short, jobs are good. Find what you're good at and what you like doing and get paid for it. I like programming computers and I get money for doing it! How great is that?
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On January 30 2009 03:54 Naib wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 03:47 Cloud wrote:
Oh and he barely mentions god all for all of you 'christian = dumbass' bandwagonners. I wouldnt even remember about it if it wasnt for that quote. Hey, no need to get so worked up as it was a strategy forum discussion where you simply didn't understand what the other person said, okay?
Hey low hit dude, i have feelings you know!
+ Show Spoiler +Try reading that thread again, before you make any other idiot comments please
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What I don't like about this book is that it tries to differentiate itself from the advice we normally get by establishing this concept of the 'Rat Race' which he does a good job of supporting - but his plan for getting rich is no different from any other motivational book (always be aware of your surroundings, take opportunities when they arise, don't be afraid to try new things)
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good discussions 
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On January 30 2009 02:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
this guy seems to have a wierd set of priorities and a twisted view of the average man's life
it's not a new viewpoint either, people have understood that work sucks (even a career you really enjoy sucks every so often) since organized employment was concieved
he also comes off as a total asshole and doesn't seem to realize that lots of people are perfectly content in their chosen career and the 'big 8 firm' wouldn't exist if the companies he dealt with didn't have those employees
every quote you've posted gives off this gross, overblown machismo vibe. i can only assume that since all of these quotes fit this bill, the rest of the book does as well. that tells me this guy thinks he's better than people who have less money than he does. especially that part about 'rich people buy luxuries last, poor people buy luxuries first because they want people to think they're rich'
all i can do is shake my head when people praise bullshit like this
The point that he is trying to make is that you have to THINK like this to be successful, as defined by the amount of money you make.
I mean, who doesn't want to make millions or billions of dollars? The problem is some people don't know how to get there. Some people think it happens through osmosis, in that if you just keep doing certain "right" things the "right" way, you can get there. I believe this is what he is describing when he talks about the "Rat race." By living in that way, you can never truly be "rich." Because all of your money is being eaten by a symbolic enslavement to the luxuries you "need to have."
I personally think like this as well. I don't think there's anything wrong with finding a job that "you can be happy with and not make a ton of money." But for some, that's just not enough. To each man his own right?
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On January 30 2009 02:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
and really, who's gonna make a ton of money because they can tell what's wrong with a car with ease? that skill allows you to be a fucking great mechanic, but its ludicrous to use that as an example of why great talent isn't enough
isn't that exactly what he's saying???
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is he advocating owning stuff? Because thats what it sounds like. Thats fucking common sense lol. You dont get to be a millionaire or multimillionaire without owning things. Unless you work as an executive or neurosurgeon or something. Im going into engineering and unless you are in management you wont be making over 100k if you dont own something or are high up in your firm.
Maybe ive missed what hes said I dunno. Sounds like hes saying dont slave away at your job even if it makes you decent money because you will end up being there forever or something. I guess the book would be ok for incredibly nieve people who might need a wakeup call. Although I dont feel long term optimism is a problem like this guy does
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On January 30 2009 04:07 Cloud wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 03:54 Naib wrote:On January 30 2009 03:47 Cloud wrote:
Oh and he barely mentions god all for all of you 'christian = dumbass' bandwagonners. I wouldnt even remember about it if it wasnt for that quote. Hey, no need to get so worked up as it was a strategy forum discussion where you simply didn't understand what the other person said, okay? Hey low hit dude, i have feelings you know! + Show Spoiler +Try reading that thread again, before you make any other idiot comments please
Or, you could perhaps try to understand what others are trying to say 
P.s. I didn't even call you an idiot, even though you'd deserve it for how you're behaving - off with the horns, please. You set your mind on something and bash people for disagreement all the time, I would re-evaluate if I were you. At least I'm not calling names here.
On topic again, reiterating: this book just tells people what they want to hear, so they want to buy it. That's how you make money with a load of bull (which, I guess, could be seen as success, if you can shut your conscience up )
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On January 30 2009 02:56 Naib wrote:
Eh, you shouldn't fall for random motivational books that pull stuff out of their ass. I read a praising review about this in my uni's weekly paper, and I couldn't feel anything but sadness that even supposedly educated people fall for this crap...
Right, youre not being an idiot here, nor an asshole. How about re-reading your own posts.
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The book is normally paired togeather with a motivational conference that is held in major cities. Essentially, they try to get you to pay into becoming real estate agents or to buy forclosed properties and turn them for a profit.
I feel that after speaking with people who are wealthy, there is no pattern between these folks. We are in love with the concept that we can create massive amounts of wealth (Millions/Billions, not upper middle class) through a formula (business strategies) or by following a path (college). Its always good to be in a competitve position (education, training) but theres more to it. Whether it is getting an executive job or opening your own business, luck has a strong factor in the equation.
I feel that rich people (or very successful businesses) are outliers or at the very top of a bell curve. Its a natural occurence. Yet, we look to them as examples (formula steps) of how to get rich, while in fact they are just lucky that events worked out in their favor. Most of their decisions are solid logical decisions, while other key decisions just happen to work out in their favor given their situations. Thats my opinion of the matter.
My motto is to do what you are good at, (that does not mean you will get rich, even if you are the best), but if you do get lucky, you will take home the big one. That said, book appeals to the psuedo-intellectual side of people. The concepts are over generalized and are too simple to be accurate.
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On January 30 2009 03:59 gm.tOSS wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 02:40 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
this guy seems to have a wierd set of priorities and a twisted view of the average man's life
it's not a new viewpoint either, people have understood that work sucks (even a career you really enjoy sucks every so often) since organized employment was concieved
he also comes off as a total asshole and doesn't seem to realize that lots of people are perfectly content in their chosen career and the 'big 8 firm' wouldn't exist if the companies he dealt with didn't have those employees
every quote you've posted gives off this gross, overblown machismo vibe. i can only assume that since all of these quotes fit this bill, the rest of the book does as well. that tells me this guy thinks he's better than people who have less money than he does. especially that part about 'rich people buy luxuries last, poor people buy luxuries first because they want people to think they're rich'
all i can do is shake my head when people praise bullshit like this got the same grip from the quotes - thanks for typing it out
I'd have to agree. He seems to make a lot of very wide prejudice statements about "lower-class" people in order to tell them all that what they're doing and what they're teaching their kids is wrong.
I know a lot of "lower-class" families, especially since I came from one, and I've never seen a single one buy something expensive just to make it look like they could afford it.
IMO "lower-class" people don't even feel the need to appear "rich" to others.
As someone said earlier it really looks like a total bait and switch.
The tidbit about God is horribly irritating, also. If you're trying to sell an idea that makes logical sense and want people to believe it, the mentioning of God shouldn't be anywhere. The only reason it is there, is to try to bait religious people as well. Plus, when you mention God, there is no counter-argument, you can't argue against something that doesn't exist, yet is so widely believed in.
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On January 30 2009 04:28 Day[9] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2009 02:44 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
and really, who's gonna make a ton of money because they can tell what's wrong with a car with ease? that skill allows you to be a fucking great mechanic, but its ludicrous to use that as an example of why great talent isn't enough isn't that exactly what he's saying???
No, FakeSteve means that the example is a straw man. Obviously there's plenty of people for whom great talent does pay off. (It's a whole different discussion again, about talent being inherited or developed (the latter case could be subject to exercise in the context of such books))
And count me with the book-haters on this one.. seems like a manual 'how to become a douche' to me. (Admittedly, being a douche helps make you money)
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