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UPDATED! (See rationalization for more info)
Proleague's Most Balanced Maps of All Time
1. Sin Peaks of Baekdu
2. Python
3. Tau Cross
4. Blue Storm
5. Andromeda
Rationalization
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Forget the old methods. If a map has a %pop. imba. of 17% or greater (away from 33%), it's imba. Python just makes the cut, Katrina SE just misses it. If a map has a %MU imba of 20% or greater (away from 50%), it's imba. Maps are ordered by their worst matchup.
Numbers
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Map - Worst pop. imba. / worst record imba.
T: %T's sent out
Z: %Z's sent out
P: %P's sent out
Tau Cross - 4 10
T: 32
Z: 37
P: 30
Destination - 3 20.3
T: 31
Z: 33
P: 36
Sin Peaks of Baekdu - 8 9.6
T: 31
Z: 41
P: 28
Blue Storm - 9 12.5
T: 27
Z: 42
P: 31
Arcadia 2 - 17 6.7
T: 31
Z: 50
P: 19
Medusa - 6 21.1
T: 27
Z: 37
P: 36
Python - 16 9.6
T: 49
Z: 25
P: 26
815 III - 7 22
T: 35
Z: 38
P: 26
Andromeda - 11 14.9
T: 28
Z: 44
P: 28
Sin Chupung-Ryeong - 10 20
T: 38
Z: 39
P: 23
Katrina SE - 17 12.5
T: 16
Z: 34
P: 50
Colosseum II - 15 20
T: 24
Z: 28
P: 48
Nemesis - 20 18.4
T: 23
Z: 23
P: 53
Chupung-Ryeong - 25 15.5
T: 53
Z: 8
P: 39
Neo Harmony - 18 22.7
T: 51
Z: 26
P: 22
Baekmagoji - 15 28.6
T: 34
Z: 19
P: 48
Monty Hall - 23 18.7
T: 35
Z: 10
P: 55
Monty Hall SE - 26 16.7
T: 59
Z: 16
P: 26
Neo Requiem - 20 22.3
T: 13
Z: 35
P: 53
Othello - 39 13
T: 72
Z: 15
P: 13
Katrina - 22 23.5
T: 14
Z: 31
P: 55
Colosseum - 30 25
T: 49
Z: 3
P: 49
Rush Hour 3 - 34 24.1
T: 67
Z: 28
P: 6
Raid Assault 2 - 45 21.4
T: 22
Z: 78
P: 0
Un'Goro Crater - 25 50
T: 40
Z: 52
P: 8
Harmony - 38 50
T: 71
Z: 19
P: 10
Wuthering Heights - 42 50
T: 75
Z: 3
P: 21
Geometry - 43 50
T: 76
Z: 15
P: 9
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Aotearoa39261 Posts
Um thanks for an arbitrary list of maps in some order without any justification or rationalization behind the creation of the list
Care to elaborate?
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Medusa most balanced map of all time?????
I thought Harmony and Othello was better balanced than Medusa
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On January 05 2009 18:48 Plexa wrote:
Um thanks for an arbitrary list of maps in some order without any justification or rationalization behind the creation of the list
Care to elaborate?
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The "Proleague's Most Balanced Maps of All Time" and "Proleague's Most Broken Maps of All Time" could be switched and it would be almost just as accurate.
I assume you play Protoss?
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elaboration added, so yknow, it's moar clear that its just numbers based (whether or not the numbers ought to mean that is another story.)
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On January 05 2009 18:53 Shikyo wrote:
The "Proleague's Most Balanced Maps of All Time" and "Proleague's Most Broken Maps of All Time" could be switched and it would be almost just as accurate.
I assume you play Protoss?
That's exactly what I was thinking, wtf?
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ummmmmmmmmmm idgi most of the so-called "balanced" maps on that list arent the well balanced at all???
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I hiiiighly doubt that Othello is that imbalanced. I also highly doubt that Medusa is that balanced.
Elaborate on your elaboration...let's see numbers and the stats you used.
EDIT
I read your edit of your elaboration...if that's the case, then the actual games played on the map don't figure into your analysis, and that you're basing this whole thing off of who got sent against who on what map?
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On January 05 2009 18:55 PH wrote:
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lol cammon its not that bad an idea
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Medusa
Race Stats (non-mirrors):
TvZ: 12-16 (42.9%) [ Games ]
ZvP: 15-20 (42.9%) [ Games ]
PvT: 21-10 (67.7%) [ Games ]
Mirrors: 15 TvT | 11 ZvZ | 24 PvP
Sounds balanced.
Also, one thing you didn't take into account is the fact that in 08-09 Proleague, you can't just send out the best race on their best map because every team must send out at least one player of each race. But whatevers.
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thread title is misleading but the figures are interesting especially
Raid Assault 2 - 45
T: 22
Z: 78
P: 0
imagine no protoss at all was ever sent out to that map. poor tosses who had to play it in individual leagues :D
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On January 05 2009 19:11 [DUF]MethodMan wrote:
thread title is misleading but the figures are interesting especially
Raid Assault 2 - 45
T: 22
Z: 78
P: 0
imagine no protoss at all was ever sent out to that map. poor tosses who had to play it in individual leagues :D
What's more funny is that they realize the imbalance with RA2, and then replace it with RH3...
Hahaha
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You cannot base the imbalance percentage only on that!!
It's mindgames! The coaches thinks which player the opposing teams will send and they will send players to counter them etc etc....
It's also that a team may not have very good players of that certain race.
its not that easy.
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Tau Cross, Medusa, BlueStorm all very good. Not sure about Destination, haven't made up my mind on that.
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Braavos36389 Posts
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On January 05 2009 19:27 Hot_Bid wrote:
Plexa said it best.
He said it before I included rationalizations/numbers?
At the time, ya I'm glad he said it lol.
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On January 05 2009 18:55 PH wrote:
I hiiiighly doubt that Othello is that imbalanced. I also highly doubt that Medusa is that balanced.
Elaborate on your elaboration...let's see numbers and the stats you used.
EDIT
I read your edit of your elaboration...if that's the case, then the actual games played on the map don't figure into your analysis, and that you're basing this whole thing off of who got sent against who on what map?
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If you take into account records, then we're talking about player imbalance, not map imbalance. Put players like Best or Stork on terran favored maps and they can still rape. That doesn't make the map PvT imba.
I don't see what's wrong with analyzing things this way. If a map, for example, 60% PvT, yet coaches send out terrans most of the time, it doesn't make the fact PvT imba. It just means that coaches will only dare putting the best PvTers on the map as snipers.
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On January 05 2009 19:34 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2009 18:55 PH wrote:
I hiiiighly doubt that Othello is that imbalanced. I also highly doubt that Medusa is that balanced.
Elaborate on your elaboration...let's see numbers and the stats you used.
EDIT
I read your edit of your elaboration...if that's the case, then the actual games played on the map don't figure into your analysis, and that you're basing this whole thing off of who got sent against who on what map?
-____-;; If you take into account records, then we're talking about player imbalance, not map imbalance. Put players like Best or Stork on terran favored maps and they can still rape. That doesn't make the map PvT imba. I don't see what's wrong with analyzing things this way. If a map, for example, 60% PvT, yet coaches send out terrans most of the time, it doesn't make the fact PvT imba. It just means that coaches will only dare putting the best PvTers on the map as snipers.
Or maybe the team just happens to have good terrans and lacks Protoss? KTF?
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lol at othello and rh3 regarded as imbalanced
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