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kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-22 17:16:43
June 22 2008 17:15 GMT
#1
So I've been watching some very interesting documentaries which prove that there is no federal law in the US that forces a citizen to pay a tax for its wages (labour).

I wanted to know what you think about it (and specially americans). Did you know that people are illegally sent to jail for not paying income tax? And that the tax that you pay is not actually used to redistribute wealth or any kind of public service, but they give it to the Federal Reserve (PRIVATE financial entity) to pay the debt.

Why isn't this on your (or any other countries') mass media?
It's so spine-chilling, I mean US is supposed to represent freedom... so where's the freedom in that... and worst of all, why are there so few people who complain about it?


This is one of the documenatries:

http://www.documentarywire.com/america-from-freedom-to-fascism/
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crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
June 22 2008 17:20 GMT
#2
and the founding fathers were against direct taxation too.

and yes, they can pay off the debt if they wanted to. we have the power to fucking print the money/increase credit and we do it all the time.

but wait, the one in charge of our money supply is the FED for some reason. and they are also the ones making interest profit off the american gov by propping up the principle deficit. it's all about control and more control.

a few people in congress are sane about money though.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32149 Posts
June 22 2008 17:20 GMT
#3
I DONT WANNA PAY INCOME TAX, BUT I SURE LIKE USING ALL THESE PUBLIC ROADWAYS, SEWER SYSTEM, WATER, SCHOOL SYSTEMS, ETC.

This is up there with the 9/11 bullshit.
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Clutch3
Profile Joined April 2003
United States1344 Posts
June 22 2008 17:22 GMT
#4
On June 23 2008 02:20 Hawk wrote:
I DONT WANNA PAY INCOME TAX, BUT I SURE LIKE USING ALL THESE PUBLIC ROADWAYS, SEWER SYSTEM, WATER, SCHOOL SYSTEMS, ETC.

This is up there with the 9/11 bullshit.

QFT.

jello_biafra
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United Kingdom6642 Posts
June 22 2008 17:22 GMT
#5
Does this mean that Al Capone was illegaly imprisoned?
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ydg
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States690 Posts
June 22 2008 17:24 GMT
#6
wait.. isn't the fed good?
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crabapple
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States397 Posts
June 22 2008 17:24 GMT
#7
On June 23 2008 02:20 Hawk wrote:
I DONT WANNA PAY INCOME TAX, BUT I SURE LIKE USING ALL THESE PUBLIC ROADWAYS, SEWER SYSTEM, WATER, SCHOOL SYSTEMS, ETC.

This is up there with the 9/11 bullshit.


that's the thing though, we can have all that public road service water and etc. BUT IT DOESN:T COST THAT MUCH. and it's certainly insane to keep paying interest. that's a big leak in the bucket.

we actually pay wayyy more.
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
June 22 2008 17:25 GMT
#8
Hawk, you probably haven't read my whole post, and I'm sure you haven't even taken a look at the documentary.

The public services are paid WITH OTHER kind of taxes, such as local or indirect taxes. There is no correspondence between the money government spends in public services and the federal income tax.
Your post just shows how intolerant and ignorant your reactions are when someone attacks the illusion of freedom of your country.

No one is more slave than the slave ones who believe are free...
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Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
June 22 2008 17:26 GMT
#9
On June 23 2008 02:20 Hawk wrote:
I DONT WANNA PAY INCOME TAX, BUT I SURE LIKE USING ALL THESE PUBLIC ROADWAYS, SEWER SYSTEM, WATER, SCHOOL SYSTEMS, ETC.

This is up there with the 9/11 bullshit.


Stop defending our government, you fool. They take everything and give us nothing we can't provide for ourselves.
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-22 17:32:25
June 22 2008 17:29 GMT
#10
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm



and what u are talking about is just one of the many ways in which the government screws us
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
June 22 2008 17:30 GMT
#11
On June 23 2008 02:20 crabapple wrote:

and yes, they can pay off the debt if they wanted to. we have the power to fucking print the money/increase credit and we do it all the time.



This is called generating inflation and it's one of the worst economic problems plaguing developing economies as I write this post. Governments go into massive debt and think they can pay their way out by printing money - unfortunately, flooding the market with so much currency drives its value down and makes basic goods hard to afford.

Also, the Federal Reserve is one of the most responsible economic institutions in the world. It regulates money flow according to a strict set of economic rules, not politics. With a board of the world's best economists and its own system of checks and balances (regional, national levels of power) the Fed is very capable of balancing controlling inflation with encouraging economic growth.

Then there's the fact that in the 1960s Milton Friedman proved that monetary policy has no long-term effects on economic growth - a position that is widely held in the Fed. How you believe that an organization made up of economists who have spent their lives proving that monetary policy has no long-term economic effects would abuse their power to control monetary policy? It wouldn't make sense.

Just like most pseudo-conspiracy theories, once you take a closer look this kind of position doesn't hold up. There's a reason that we use a fiat currency controlled by the Fed - the system works.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32149 Posts
June 22 2008 17:32 GMT
#12
I prefer trolling to actually explaining why the op is an idiot, but trav and jwd did it pretty good~
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 22 2008 17:34 GMT
#13
On June 23 2008 02:20 crabapple wrote:
and yes, they can pay off the debt if they wanted to. we have the power to fucking print the money/increase credit and we do it all the time.




You couldn't pay off debt to other countries with this method though, right?
GeneralStan
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States4789 Posts
June 22 2008 17:35 GMT
#14
On June 23 2008 02:29 travis wrote:
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm


This really says it all. Don't forget also that the 16th Amendment also directly grants Congress the power to collect an income tax.

You can make an argument that an incomme tax isn't the way to go, but trying to make a legal backing for that view is absurd to the max
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FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11566 Posts
June 22 2008 17:36 GMT
#15
What a cute thread.
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Day[9]
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
United States7366 Posts
June 22 2008 17:37 GMT
#16
there absolutely is law requiring income tax payment

i dunno how else to say this, but that documentary is just flat out wrong. i GUARANTEE if there was a way you could avoid paying income taxes on wages, people would do it. there are great ways to get tax breaks, and there is a ton of literature of ways to write off things related to your business/property expenses.

but come on... no requirement to pay income taxes... i dunno where people get this stuff T.T
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Gokey
Profile Joined November 2006
United States2722 Posts
June 22 2008 17:38 GMT
#17
Didn't Wesley Snipes get wrecked recently trying to work through this loophole?
kemoryan
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Spain1506 Posts
June 22 2008 17:38 GMT
#18
On June 23 2008 02:35 GeneralStan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2008 02:29 travis wrote:
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm


This really says it all. Don't forget also that the 16th Amendment also directly grants Congress the power to collect an income tax.

You can make an argument that an incomme tax isn't the way to go, but trying to make a legal backing for that view is absurd to the max


"2. The Internal Revenue Code is not Law
There is a distinction between "positive law" and "prima facie law." Positive law is law. Prima facie law appears to be law, but isn't. The Internal Revenue Code consists of administrative rules, not law. If you examine the title page of the United States Code, you will find that some "titles" are preceded by an asterisk (*), and some not. The legend states. "* This title has been enacted as positive law." There is no asterisk in front of Title 26 (Internal Revenue Code) because Title 26 is not law.

The Internal Revenue Code couldn't be enacted into positive law, because it would violate the U.S. Constitution which prohibits direct taxes on individuals. This is one reason why the IRS resorts to deception and terror-tactics to brainwash people that they have to pay income taxes."
Freedom is a stranger
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-06-22 17:41:58
June 22 2008 17:39 GMT
#19
On June 23 2008 02:34 travis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 23 2008 02:20 crabapple wrote:
and yes, they can pay off the debt if they wanted to. we have the power to fucking print the money/increase credit and we do it all the time.




You couldn't pay off debt to other countries with this method though, right?

You can, but it creates super inflation. 9 trillion more dollars created means each dollar is worth less, so the price of everything skyrockets. Eastern Europe and South America are filled with examples.

As for the OP, I think gwho registered a new account.

Then there's the fact that in the 1960s Milton Friedman proved that monetary policy has no long-term effects on economic growth
He theorized. Big, big, enormous difference. Even very accurate theories are rarely proven in the world of social sciences.
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QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32149 Posts
June 22 2008 17:40 GMT
#20
I do think you may be correct Mr. Jibba.
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