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Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
August 31 2018 06:20 GMT
#30
/in

I haven’t played mafia in ~5 years but I’m interested to give it another go
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 07 2018 15:17 GMT
#72
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.

I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.

I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.

Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.

Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.

Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 07 2018 15:25 GMT
#75
Apparently I do, can you please link that game so that I can look into it?

Do you have a history with Kaley where you feel his mindset would be carefree as mafia?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 07 2018 15:34 GMT
#78
On September 08 2018 00:25 Koshi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2018 00:17 Sergiovan wrote:
And Time is finally on my side, I get to be here for a bit.

I don’t know anyone particularly well so if any of you can add meta reads to what I’m seeing I would appreciate the help. My meta knowledge is, at best, deeply outdated.

I believe that Koshi is the best lynch of the people who have posted this far. His most recent post shows that he is aware of how he appears and is nervous about it and is trying to fit in to the town atmosphere.

Kaley seems most town to me, I like his image post. It shows a carefree mindset which I believe is hard to fake as scum.

Koshi, Vivax and Kaley - the three of you have all posted in the past hour so I assume you are still here. Koshi please respond to my Kaley read. Kaley please respond to my Koshi read. Vivax please respond to both.


I am sorry that I appear to you like that. Please dont lynch me. You look very town.


I HATE this post. Koshi is avoiding commenting on the read I posted while also trying to ally himself with me.

## Vote: koshi
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 07 2018 16:01 GMT
#81
Qatol: Heard.

The first post of Koshi’s which I feel looks scummy is the one where he says he will post once more to appear active and good. That post added nothing to town while also suggesting to me that he is concerned with his appearance rather than finding scum. In my experience those traits suggest scum.

As to Kaley versus Kelsier I don’t have a great reason more of a gut feeling. Kaley’s dumb picture feels town aligned to me, I didn’t get that feeling from the dumb coffee talk.

I’m getting the flood control warning from TL so I’m going to write a really big post rather than reply to things individually.

Kelsier: if you believe that Koshi’s post are not indicative of scum behavior who do you think is scum? Do you agree with my Kaley read, why or why not?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 07 2018 16:30 GMT
#87
Rayn: I don’t see the similarities honestly. Jealous was hiding in his MS paint pictures. Kaley is communicating - kinda. Foolishness posted all in limericks as town; this feels like it could easily be the more modern and way less erudite version. Kaley has posted some reads and is keeping up with and is involved in the thread. I’m not going to hold on to her as town based on this early read without anything else out of her but I don’t see any way a Kaley lynch as beneficial day 1.

Kaley: if you disagree with my read on Koshi does that mean you have him as town or just not a scum read currently? Why Rayn, what makes him scum in your eyes?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 07 2018 16:42 GMT
#93
Vivax: I’m aware that I’m over analyzing this meager thread but what else am I gonna do, wait for someone else to do it? We have 6/13 players who haven’t even posted yet I would be shocked if there isn’t at least a scummer or two hiding in the in-actives so I’m going to do my best to figure out the actives.
Why do you think Kaley is town?

Rayn: she has said things, her most recent post has reads in it. Why tunnel Kaley, do you truly believe that she is the scummiest person in this thread?

Koshi: why are you spamming garbage? I’m told that you aren’t terrible so what do you believe you are adding to this town?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 07 2018 16:45 GMT
#94
Rayn: what is your dumb reasoning for Kelsier? I don’t see it in your filter.
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 08 2018 04:45 GMT
#147
Koshi is sooooo scummy, am I totally pants-on-head retarded? I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can not be voting him right now, he says in post #99 that he has three town reads but he doesn’t ever reveal them, he isn’t contributing while spamming and pretending to have reads. Koshi = Scum.

Vivax in post #119 says he didn’t read Kayly’s post from which he read her as town. Highly suspicious if Kaley = town that Vivax = scum. Vivax has made a town read based on something he didn’t even read. If that ‘read’ is correct it seems like it comes from alignment knowledge.

I see that Kelsier has seen the same things in that post as I have. That makes Kelsier relatively townie irrespective of the alignments of Vivax and Kaley.

Holyflare appears either pants-on-head-useless or mafia. Over 24 hours into the game and he appears just to place an awful vote with literally no reason. Hf: do you genuinely believe that Kaley is scum, if so why?

People who know holyflare: is this behavior possible from a town HF? That is, is he bad enough to do nothing day one besides avoid a modkill but also be town aligned.

Rayn: calm down, no matter how you feel about Kaley’s RP your behavior is negatively effecting the town atmosphere. If you are town think about it and get better. If you are scum listen to me and do that right thing anyway so I don’t have to read your shit stirring before I lynch you.

If you are still present I would like to discuss Kaley and Koshi. Kaley is posting relatively coherently and has some reads in the thread which seem to indicate that she is involved in the thread as it progresses. Koshi is posting useless and meaningless trash. Explain your reads on both of them to me.
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 08 2018 04:49 GMT
#148
Wait, holyflare didn’t even do the minimum to not be mkdkilled. He didn’t vote in the voting thread.

I guess there is a third option to understand his shitty play this far 1) pants-on-head-useless 2) scum 3) townie who thinks they are making some slick play.
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 19:57 GMT
#255
Koshi, in post #153 you claim you were being scummy on purpose. So, okay, if you are town what did you hope to gain by doing so and have you finished playing that way?

In post #168 you say that HF is scum for playing intentionally anti town but, unless I’m much mistaken, isn’t that what you are claiming to be doing? Why would town!koshi accuse HF of being scum for exhibiting the same behaviors that town!koshi is exhibiting.

In response to #172 I guess I didn’t explain it well but I was responding to the same behavior you were in #168. HF was playing in a clearly bad way which means he is either a) bad b) mafia c) playing intentionally badly.

From the above I still lean towards Koshi being scum with the caveat that I have seen town players play intentionally anti-town D1 and then shape up having ‘succeeded’ at using their bad play to help them understand the game state.
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 20:11 GMT
#256
Kelsier: in post #181 you say that Koshi is “very weird” and gives you “bad feelings” but that you wouldn’t lynch him. I don’t understand how you make that razor thin distinction. Can you explain to me both the reasons he gives you bad feelings and the reason you wouldn’t lynch him.
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 20:23 GMT
#257
Rayn: in post #235 you state that no one but you and Qatol gave reads on Kaley. I clearly stated that I believed her to be town based on her attitude.
More importantly though in the above mentioned post you say that “there is no way” that Koshi is scum. Go read my cases against him and explain how that is possible. I freely admit I don’t think he is a slam dunk 100% confirmed mafia but I fail to see how he is confirmed town.

what is your read on Kelsier? I can’t decipher it from your post #241.
In that same post why are you so quick to defend me?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 20:23 GMT
#258
Rels: from post #201 it seems like Kaley was both a policy lynch and a scum read for you. Which is it?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 20:24 GMT
#259
Qatol: you defense of yourself in #247 seems misplaced. You either aren’t reading or aren’t actually moving with the thread.

HF is saying that your claim that there was no pushback on Kaley is scummy and your defense is “I said that there was pushback” and you say “there not being pushback isn't a reason to scum read Kaley.” But isn’t that actually a reason to have a town read on Kaley? You said so in your previous post.

You are have a big post to defend yourself which relies on its length rather than its quality to achieve that defense.

Qatol, based on the above post moves to the red column.
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 20:25 GMT
#260
Koshi, you still around? I’d like to check in with you
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 22:16 GMT
#267
HF: why?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 22:20 GMT
#269
I’m torn on Prplhz. On the one hand his posts aren’t helpful to town as a whole at all yet on the other hand I’m highly amused by his town read on a flipped dead townie and although it isn’t a great heuristic generally when people amuse me they are town.

Koshi and HF what are your thoughts on Prplhz’s entrance to the thread?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 22:29 GMT
#274
Prplhz: why is RoL the best of the inactive ark lynch?
Sergiovan
Profile Joined August 2018
90 Posts
September 09 2018 22:31 GMT
#275
why is RoL the best of the inactives TO lynch rather
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