On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.
"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.
With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
What you are doing right now is worse than anything you've complained about, because you should be of the mindset that providing even more unproductive content would only make our situation worse, given your remarks.
Well, Calix is the one to make me explain how NAI stuff is NAI you can blame him for that if you really want to.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Please point me to where I 'attempted to get you to revert to gif posting only' if you'd be so kind. You'll note that I specifically said 'I'm glad you are not posting in gifs' (which you then responded to...with a gif...instead of a response)
And yes, it's illogical for town to claim a role and then post a gif in lieu of a coherent response.
If you were actually happy I wasn't posting gifs, why would you bring up the fact that I said I would post primarily gifs? I think any reasonable person realizes that's much more likely to get me to post gifs, than to offer an explanation that will ultimately be irrelevant to the game.
You brought it up in the hopes that I would stick to my word and posts only gifs, instead of helping town. You are scum
I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.
On November 03 2016 22:17 Skynx wrote: I only like darth so far for making sense with his posts while keeping it short and meaningfull.
I hate TT's reads in p15 or something they are literally the worst. He deserves a vote but I'll touch on this a bit later on.
Exo's reads are quite bad aswell but less bad than TT.
Haven't read Rels yet.
Rest is bad and should feel bad for being able to spam this much and actually say nothing of worth. I'm gona vote for a stfu lynch on the biggest filter for now before i actually get a time to read in detail cuz this shit is unacceptable.
First entry: Everything here is unproductive and bad. *Posts nothing substantial*
Second entry: Everyone is bad, but drathfoley. *Posts nothing to push the game forward or anything of the sort*
Thanks for "pushing the game forward". You are really good at it.
On November 03 2016 22:22 Rels wrote: Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
You think it's illogical for me to immediate claim VT before posting a gif?
Give me a break. If anything your attempt to get me to revert to gif posting only and now trying to throw shade on me is indicative of your scum alignment
Why so defensive, mate? :<
"Give me a break" after two trivial questions is much of an over-exaggeration, mang.
mahrgell (spelled your name right), what do you make of Exo and Calix's lil" chit chat so far? c:
1) I'm very proud you got my name correct this time. Maybe we delay your lynch a few days!
2) Calix: Looked to me like an "let's start the game" thing, I don't share Exo's interpretation that Calix wanted to silence him. This does not tell anything about Calix though. Could be fake activity, considering that those pathetically weak early attempts rarely lead to much information, could also honest interest in starting something. So nothing here.
3) Exo: his retaliation seemed... weird. I don't see a point there. I guess I could consider it something meta'ish that you blindly accuse everyone day1 to be mafia to "apply pressure and get things going". So either minor scumlean or just some broken metashit.
4) conclusion: I consider it for now as TvT, if it is MvT I would lean more in facor of Calix being the townie, I doubt it is MvM, but well... people can prep the most stupid shit before the game... Let's wait and see
PS: if anyone is not a he and wants to be called a she... tell me... Otherwise I use internet rule #1 and consider everyone a male.
Bolded gives two opposite directions of having a lean on Exo. "Wierd and pointless" for a scum perspective for overreaction and "pressure and get the game going" for town perspective. He looks quite uncertain about both regards by his specific wording.
Then this happens:
On November 03 2016 03:59 mahrgell wrote: @Exo so, you are sticking with Calix as your prime scumcandidate?
Exo replies yes. Mahg says nothing.
Mind you this is like the only thing going on in the thread other than Calix vs NU. Then he goes after NU, accusing him of not following up on Exo vote and posts this.
On November 03 2016 04:01 mahrgell wrote: @Foreman Now that you noticed your misread. Are you still going after Calix, or have you shifted your focus on NU? Would the argument you made for Calix also apply to NU? Or where do you see the difference there?
The fact he isn't voting ExO does not make his push any less disingenuous.
Knock knock, Calix is here, asking you to read my NU case like a good dear.
Is my NU case also disingenuous? If so, how?
Considering you've yet to acquit yourself for that shady ExO push, I'm not concerned about your NU push when he isn't even here to respond to it.
Why not? Following multiple leads is not bad for town. And even if we flip Calix in the end, no matter what color it is, having his talking points discussed would be beneficial to town. So I can't understand that refusal to comment on it. Especially as I would be very interested in your opinion.
Don't worry, we won't forget about Calix. And if you feel it got forgotten, ust bring it up later again, if someone wants to balem you for it, just forward it to me.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Bolded sentence implies a scumread, as if someone thinks a sane person would do something illogical from a town perspective that would suggest it would be a logical move from scum perspective.
This gets noticed, and called out by many including Exo, NU, Foreman and magh? if i remember correctly and see how much defence there is for "I didn't scumread Exo". I'm spoilering them cuz they are just so many. + Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote: Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:
I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth
This is another example of anti-town behaviour which I do not agree with.
That is NOT the same as pro-scum. Allow me to clear that one up.
Some people seem to be misinterpreting my stance on ExO as "scum-lean" when it's not.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion.
Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so.
I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question.
No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world.
It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town.
Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push.
Not the same thing.
If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place.
Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates.
I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me.
Correction. I am not voting for ExO and you should be suspicious of me if I was given that you (correctly) think I am not scum-reading him.
See my previous response for my take on anti-town/ pro-scum.
On November 03 2016 03:21 NeverUnlucky wrote: Haiii guises, let us keep this atmosphere positive!
I agree with Mr. Foreman and Mr. ExO that Calix's push is not her greatest, and I also agree with Calix that ExO's defensive response looks scummy!
Foreman, may I ask you where you are coming from in terms of community? c:
I'm not pushing ExO. That's being extremely generous.
I never claimed that ExO was scummy, just illogical. I didn't even call him defensive. Where did you get that from?
I said that.
Your quote says "I agree WITH CALIX" which implies that I said "ExO being defensive is scummy" at some point.
Clarify this now, please.
I actually don't agree with the points you've made. ExO's defensive, that's as much as one can say on his subject.
Offski.
I for one do not like NU. His tone seems weird, he makes statements that are factually inaccurate/ putting words into my mouth and then retracts them when called out on them. I don't understand why.
Given that he's just disappeared, I'll wait for a response before concluding anything for sure but he's giving me bad vibes at the moment.
Well 1) I share NU's interpretation of what happened. 2) I appreciate his call for civil communication, from what I read in Cruisetrip he could have also easily heated up the fire without it looking worse than his usual play. 3) But I also agree with you, that it is weird for him to "buddy" you, by pretending you were sharing his self made points. I don't think there is much reason for him to try to appease you.
With regards to Point 2, he is much tamer when he is scum. I'm not claiming that this is a 100% guaranteed tell (he is also busy and this has led to him being more subdued in the past) but it's in the back of my mind.
Well in my opinion, this is how it went down:
- He asks why ExO is being overly defensive. - I call ExO anti-town. - He misrepresented my positions by claiming that he agreed that I was a) scum-reading ExO and b) scum-reading ExO due to being overly defensive. - I ask him where he interpreted this from as those are not my positions. - He denies claiming this. - I tell him that he literally said in his quote "I agree with Calix"
This is where the scummy part is. He immediately backtracks from that position by saying "well I don't agree" and leaves it at that.
That's scummy because this progression could be NU trying to plant ideas inside of my head without actually taking responsibility for having the idea.
This is a compelling explanation because the ExO/ Calix discussion was still going on at this time. Thus, it's possible that he was trying to manipulate me into agreeing that ExO's behaviour is scummy.
It's also possible because I am well-known for getting myself into tunnels so I am a viable target.
On November 03 2016 04:50 Skynx wrote: None of what happened so far is AI guys please...
Then do something that will make AI posts happen.
What is the point of sitting around and complaining that people are making early reads exactly?
What is the point of spamming bunch of stuff that doesn't have anything to do with anything other than increasing postcount for people that are not here yet?
To generate conversation so that the not-yet-here people have something constructive to add, of course.
What is your strategy to find scum if we're doing a poor job of it?
Add something constructive when i find opportunity to do so. Like I'm doing now, stopping you guys go overboard with surjective NAI stuff cuz it really means absolutely nothing what you guys accuse each other for in past few pages
Oh wonderful, that means that you can tell us how my case on NU doesn't show scum-indicative behaviour
Do you have any reads at all? I'm skeptical that you have no initial impressions at all.
Here is what happened;
Calix sr Exo (gif stuff) Exo sr Calix (doesn't like his push) Everyone sr Everyone (because all pushes are very surjective and doesn't mean anything and everyone is aware of that so might aswell sr the others)
What you are asking right now makes sense in that regard as me suggesting you guys pushing NAI stuff on eachother means I should also sr you guys but its just not right and this is all really nothing productive in the end.
Fact-check. I never stated a scum-read on ExO.
"all pushes are very subjective" - It's Day 1. Of course they are going to be 'subjective'. In fact, almost every single push in the history of mafia is 'subjective'. That doesn't mean you just do nothing since town has to be proactive to gain information, etc etc. This is all very obvious stuff so I won't drone on.
With that in mind, your approach is very hard to understand to me.
On November 03 2016 05:17 Calix wrote: Stating that someone's illogical =/= scum-read, Skynx dear.
As for mahrgell, if you're using mind melds to inform a read then that's fine. But from my point of view, I don't get the same impression when it's vice versa. I would have to see you post things first that I agreed with before I would make that read. It's mostly been you agreeing with me if I recall correctly so I can see where you're coming from in terms of perspective.
The whole thing is just so bullshit. Ofc you imply that he is scum. How can you say that he is being anti-town but at the same time say that "sorry guys he's anti-town but I'm not scumreading him"?
What was the point of that in the end? Obviously nothing, you tried something as a scum and got called out and had to backpaddle for next 5 pages try to bury it.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Very dodgy vote for "overanalyzing = tryhard" or w/e. Gets called out by Calix, as his vote came after NU with very little reasoning behind.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
First, it was not a push. You voted Calix for absolutely nothing scum indicative then call his callout discrediting you.
On November 03 2016 03:04 Calix wrote: NU's boring. Nothing new to see there.
ExO, should I be asking why you're not 'largely communicating in gifs'? Don't get me wrong, I'm glad you're not, but I'm curious as to what made you change your mind.
So if you ARE mainly communicating in gifs then why claim a role first thing before doing that? Seems illogical for town to do.
Way to overanalyze. So tryhard that it makes me think I should
##Vote Calix
Sheep vote noted.
How is claiming that posting gifs after claiming a role tryhard?
So you accuse me of sheeping, then question my push.
Discredit noted.
Giving somebody crap for not shitting up the thread has a couple different scum motivations behind it:
1) You are going after an easy target for not doing what they said they'd do (after they got some friction about it when they announced it, iirc?)
2) Your post clearly nudged them to return to that practice despite your transparent disclaimer, which would be pro-scum if they were to do so.
You are voting right after I received a vote. There is no discrediting here, only using evidence to draw a conclusion.
Why would I not question your push? I don't consider 'tryhard' to be a scum-tell and wanted to know what your logic was for thinking so.
I am not scum-reading ExO. That's not 'going after an easy target', it's asking for a response to a simple question.
No it didn't. I asked why they weren't doing it. That cannot be interpreted as a subtle nudge to keep doing it in any world.
It's not pro-scum. It's anti-town.
Sheeping is voting using somebody else's reasons. I voted with my own push.
Not the same thing.
If you're not scumreading ExO, your vote is in the wrong place.
Shitting up a thread is pro-scum because it allows scum to more easily hide in the noise it creates.
I may be new to this site, but don't think for a second that means you can bullshit me.
You didn't have a push. You voted, then made up reasons for it cuz the vote was shit: The so called "tryhard and overanalyzing" transformed into "going after low hanging fruit and motivating people to behave anti-town"
EPT
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