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Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 29 2016 17:47 GMT
#6
cakepie hosted the first game I've played and I've not seen a better host since then
/in
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
October 31 2016 15:10 GMT
#55
On October 31 2016 23:44 Calix wrote:
[insert obligatory pre-game excuse about posting less and in a different fashion here]

I'll have one of these too
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 01 2016 13:03 GMT
#97
##WatchWarmly
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 12:16 GMT
#403
yo
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 12:24 GMT
#404
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth

This makes ExO very likely town
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 12:37 GMT
#413
On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth

This makes ExO very likely town

Explain.

1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one.
2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 13:06 GMT
#422
NU can you link your best scum game please
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 13:19 GMT
#430
On November 03 2016 22:10 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Turbo game.

Serial killer game. I was hydra'ing under SecondLynch and typed in grey.

Thanks. So that's the turbo game you and Calix were talking about at the point in the thread I'm at.
Doesn't seem super impressive to me, only short posts and not a lot of fighting. Apparently your tone was aggressive and that is off-meta for you ? But you didn't really fight with other people.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 13:22 GMT
#435
Skynx is looking like Tumblewood when he was scum with me and tried to play as incoherently as possible to play the "too weird to be scum" card.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 13:23 GMT
#437
On November 03 2016 06:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 05:57 mahrgell wrote:
@NU I'm fine with that explanation. I agree with Calix that the way you worded it, you put those words in his mouth and agreed with them. Then again, I guess we can file this under misunderstanding for now. And I generally appreciate your stated goal to make things more civil. So continue doing so.

How is your opinion on what happened in your afk time?
How you judge Foreman, Exo, Calix, Skynx? darthfoley had only one post, not sure you would want to read anything.

And well... if you have questions for me... fire away.

I've skimmed 11-13 because it was "This is NAI" and "No, it's not, read my NU case" talk.

My honest opinion on what happened so far would be: boring.

I dislike in this order Skynx, ExO, Foreman, Calix, you.

And I appreciated darthfoley's one post.

That's about how my read look like.

Why did you like DF's one post ? I remember hating it
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 13:32 GMT
#445
On November 03 2016 07:05 Tictock wrote:
Calix and Marghal (or w/e) are my top town atm. Mostly everything they have done has been to push the game forward and have been looking at multiple people from multiple angles.

Skynx is a little shitter for trying to imply that this early game is NAI. This is prob the least jokey start of a game I have every seen. Kinda null on him despite his early posts seeming unlikely to come from scum imo.

I kinda think NU is town but I'm not really sure why, just feels natural and relaxed I guess. In the same vein I kinda liked Dark's one post too so they are both townleaning nulls.

I really don't understand how these two can be your top town.
Marghell is so soft in his stances to me it screams scuuuuuum.
You played with me in a game where Calix played a very, very stgrong scumgame: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/513316-newbie-student-mafia-xxiii, so I don't understand how Calix can be top town in your mind when she has done nothing incredibly townie.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 13:51 GMT
#449
K I'm almost caught up but I also have to go for a few hours, afternoon is full of meetings. My reads atm:
TOWN
Foreman NU ExO
Calix TT
Skynx mahrgell DF
SCUM

See you soon!
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 13:52 GMT
#450
TT while I'm gone please explain why Calix is your top town after seeing her scum game
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 20:43 GMT
#613
On November 03 2016 23:21 Tictock wrote:
So... Kinda meh about Rels so far.

About the only thing I actually liked from him was the post about the VT claim.

Rels what happened to you? Your play the past few games is like your heart just isn't in it anymore.

Nothing, just not a lot of time. But my motivation is still there, I mean I thought about the game all afternoon. p:
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 20:48 GMT
#615
On November 03 2016 23:41 mahrgell wrote:
About Rels. I agree with basically none of his reads, pretty apparent with his 3 top town being my top scum. But there is one thing you can't blame him for: Trying to blend in. I would love to see him explaining his controversial reads.

Mainly I'm interested in:
- why does he town NU
- why does he town Foreman - I can see people not agreeing my concerns regarding foreman, but seriously, what has he done to make him a townread???)
- what makes foley scummy? - "hates post" okay... Tell me more.

Share your thought process. I haven't seen any reasoning on those reads and admit they don't make sense to me.

I townread NU mainly for a pretty bad reason: that he posted his "mafia metric" team. This is a pretty awful reason 'cause it's based on out-of-the-game thing but that's my main reason to believe NU is town. Outside of that his attitude is also pretty townie and matches the town meta I know of him.
Foreman, I read a lot of posts where he was just blunt and not posting BS. I think his tone is super townie.
DF I'll have to reread, I just thought his entrance post was super bad.

More on everything when I'm caught up and can reread filters.
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 21:08 GMT
#638
On November 04 2016 01:22 darthfoley wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth

This makes ExO very likely town

Explain.

1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one.
2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing.


I hadn't thought of #2; however, couldn't he later claim blue and just say, "of course i'd claim VT early! Who wouldn't?! Didn't want mafia to think I was blue!"


It would be way less believable. And actually it would probably get him lynched over whoever he's fakeclaiming against
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 21:12 GMT
#644
On November 04 2016 01:39 NeverUnlucky wrote:
for rels

Well, this quote isn't as good as I remembered it to be. There are certain points which I still like, others make me uncertain.

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On November 03 2016 05:30 darthfoley wrote:
Had a read through, albeit quick because I won't be on later until like 7pm and don't want to read through 40 pages in one sitting.

I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI. I think ExO vs. Calix could be TvT and was blown out of proportion based off a gif.

Why does he think it could be tvt if most of the stuff is NAI?

Also, saying that the Exo - Calix thingy was based off a gif is a mischaracterization of what happened I think.

Show nested quote +
However, I don't like this post. Who spends 4 lines discussing why the claimed VT? This is a super waste of a post.

On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth


I don't like this post. This comes off as scummy scummy buddy buddy

On November 03 2016 04:32 mahrgell wrote:
gosh Calix, can we please stop post synced? Also after what I read from you last game I'm afraid of myself, if I share your thoughts... I don't want to be like you Sorry.


I also don't think the theoretical discussion of anti-town vs. pro-scum has much use if it's kept theoretical.

Mind meld.

Show nested quote +
Foreman completely writing off Calix basically because of one push is helping town at all. Seems like uber tunneling that never actually helps town. Don't see any post so far that screams scum SO hard that I wouldn't entertain the possibility that my read on someone was wrong. Seems a bit scummy to me, especially D1. I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama


Foreman did not write off Calix ._.

He says that his reads could be wrong, but never stated his reads prior to this... zzz

Obviously no post will scream scum.

Show nested quote +
Calix is a slight town read to me currently. I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes.


Bruh, that post he's referring to is Skynx saying "These posts are shit" and quotes Foreman and ExO's votes on Calix. How is that useful? How does he go from agreeing with Skynx in the previous paragraph to saying that his posts are useless?

Show nested quote +
I'll be back in about three hours, keep posting away

I can see why you hated it.

Yeah that post was awful. And I don't understand why the fixation on Skynx on this post. He was mentioned three times:
"I agree that a lot of the stuff so far is NAI" (Skynx was the one saying that)
"I agree with Skynx that the votes so far have been really dumb and useless drama"
"I agreed that Skynx's posts were useless until he posted about the votes."
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 21:15 GMT
#645
LOL rereading the last two sentences it doesnt have match up
DF WHY THE FUCK would you go from "YEAH SKYNX IS RIGHT ALMOST EVERYTHING IS USELESS" to "SKYNX POSTS WERE USELESS" ? You apparently agreed with Skynx that there was not much to talk about ? Why did you consider Skynx posts useless when you agreed with them ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 21:21 GMT
#647
On November 04 2016 02:37 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 04 2016 02:16 darthfoley wrote:
On November 03 2016 22:54 Tictock wrote:
On November 03 2016 21:37 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 21:30 NeverUnlucky wrote:
On November 03 2016 21:24 Rels wrote:
On November 03 2016 03:29 ExO_ wrote:
Also to clarify why I'm claiming my VT role right now:

I'm getting it out the open right now. I think in a game this size trying to fake claim to get scum to target me would be a waste of time. So I'm letting everyone know now I don't have any abilities I cannot do anything at night and can only vote. You can choose to either believe me or not, but I'm telling the truth

This makes ExO very likely town

Explain.

1. It is obviously anti town to seriously claim VT at the start of the game. Scum usually don't do obvious scummy things, on the contrary they try to be townie. It's WIFOM, but in mafia the simplest explanation is often the right one.
2. It removes ExO's ability to fakeclaim if he's scum, which is a great tool as scum, and even more in semi open setup like the one we're playing.


Eh, I like this thinking but I think your first point is moot since Exo stated several times that he doesn't think his claim is bad for town. I'm actually seeing more of a disconnect between how much he talked about why he claimed and yet never realized why that claim might be bad.

I suppose since this is a newbie game I should elaborate on why a VT claim is bad for town. Basically it makes mafia's side goal of killing off blue roles that much easier. If you are VT and claim it is essentially helping mafia blue hunt by narrowing the pool of people they want to look into.


Why do you "like this thinking" if you admit that his first point is null and you don't respond to the second point? If it's all null or NAI, what is there to like?

TT's discussion of Rels seems super off to me.


I can indeed see a townish interpretation to what Rels said here and can see myself saying the same(stylewise, not in this specific case), so I disagree with you for now. But I would actually like Rels to answer this himself, to see if his motivation matches my thoughts.

What do you want me to answer to ?
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
November 03 2016 21:23 GMT
#650
On November 04 2016 02:39 Calix wrote:
I feel like I am being overly generous with my town-reads though. As it stands, I'm town-reading Skynx, mahrgell, darthfoley, ExO, Foreman to varying degrees.

Unless the scum team is something like Rels/ NU or TT/ Rels or some shit then I've definitely fucked up somewhere.

This is a townie post. Especially from someone with a strong scumgame who have 0 problem finding lynchbaits to push.
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