[M][N] Unoriginal Name Mini Mafia

On January 11 2016 08:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
kush is still scum though-

On January 10 2016 01:08 boxerfred wrote:
Liking Rayn, not liking Koshi here.


This feels like a pre-lynch excuse for potentially lynching outside of ongoing wagons. Like, scum thinking "what if I have

to bus?". Also, this can be a very easy scum thing: mislynch a scummy inactive player D1. Such as, well I tend to be.

The setup speculation felt very forced, especially as an entry to the thread.


Yeah, I know, a joke, I get it. Or, the truth, abandoning the initial game plan. I can see Koshi going "LET'S LYNCH BF D1"

in the scum qt because I played the last game with him and well, I was a scummy inactive guy. Although I was VT.

Then:


Nitpicking on those posts. I don't think that this kind of post is really alignment indicative, given it's D1.


Then, this. After a weak push on Sloosh, he goes vor a kinda random vote on Nooniansong, who's inactive. Pressure vote or

mislynch setup?

Not liking Koshi, not at all. Also, Rayn, you look the most towny in here for me, so why do you always agree with Koshi? Is

he totes town or what?

##vote Koshi

thats it for the day.

On January 10 2016 01:51 GGTeMpLaR wrote:


I've already explained my initial townread on Kush and I haven't really seen anything I strongly scumread from him since

then.

Regarding your arguments against him here - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?

page=14#266

I think your first point about his pre-lynch excuse for lynching outside ongoing wagons made me thinking 'that's a sick

play as mafia', but it seems like you've determined he's scum and attached this motive to his play when you could just read

it at face value as well, which is what I feel is a more accurate interpretation.

I also think your analysis of his joke about wanting to lynch you is somewhat paranoid.

The nitpicking you mentioned from him was awkward but I didn't find it scummy.

Lastly, I disagree with your analysis of his vote on Noon.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/501039-unoriginal-name-mini-mafia?page=12#221

I still think Koshi is town and that the arguments for him being scum are entirely unconvincing.

On January 10 2016 03:01 slOosh wrote:

I like darth's posting thus far. He engages in topics that are relevant to the thread at the time and gives fleshed out

explanations.


I believe that mderg's read shows that he isn't reading the thread closely.

If he was, (or if he was at least reading darthfoley closely), he should have seen this post.
I would also suspect that he should also have been able to point out darthfoley's mistake in time order, as Koshi

posted what he did before my spurt of posting, before I was an "active poster".

Furthermore, I don't get the sense that he is actually trying to convince anyone. He is throwing out a read, explaining it,

but that's it. Looks like he is trying to keep up appearances.



I liked this post from boxerfred. He thinks Koshi is scum, and first thing he does is question why other people have town

reads on him. He actually looks engaged in wanting either others convinced to lynch Koshi or himself convinced that Koshi

is town.

On January 10 2016 04:00 darthfoley wrote:


Yea I see what you're saying. It was contradictory, because he does end up following the outline that he posted early on.

I'm rescinding my Koshi vote for now.

I have spun myself in circles trying to read some of the active posters, so here's what I think on some of the less active

people:

VA- I filtered his posts and I found very little substance.

+ Show Spoiler +

First, he blindly comments on how logic tells us we're playing on setup 3, with no actual logic. Maybe this is a joke I

missed or something? Then, he gets the ball rolling on Sloosh, tells everyone he's bad at Mafia, ties him to another player

some people (e.g. me) don't know, and peaces out. He's generated pages of discussion on someone without having to

contribute to it at all. This is pretty scummy to me

mderg- You conveniently missed my follow up post re GGTemplar and how I misread what he wrote. I thought he was talking

about toning down day 1 accusations, not early read defending in the late game. I don't have a read on mderg but I'm

surprised you missed a post that doesn't follow the narrative of me being scum

boxerfred- I like the way he has posted. He's analyzing/questioning peoples' judgments on the Koshi town read. He hasn't

just given town reads or scum reads, he included both which is most helpful for the town.

##Unvote: Koshi
##Vote: VayneAuthority

That's all I have for now

On January 10 2016 12:11 GiygaS wrote:
I'm gonna ladder a bit and come back, but before I do

##Vote tubesock

His last posts townreads were really odd. Basically My list is (roughly from scummy to less scummy)

tubesock: not much more to say on him that darth already hasn't

mderg: says easy things that are easy to say. his darth case is the only real content he has and it doesn't feel very

substantial. Feels like he went looking around for something to read on, made the post and moved on. He's not pushing his

read anymore, and hasn't even really talked about it again.

---- Line of scumminess ---

kmatt: baby come back
VA: I want to believe that his matter of fact tone makes him town, but I just can't given the things I'm reading about his

reputation

---- Line of towniness ---

noon
boxer
koshi
ggtemp: If he was mafia he would have used his supposed inexperience as a shield.
sloosh

---- Line of more-towniness ---

darth
eden
rayn

There's very likely a mafia in my town reads as I'm really not sure about a lot of them, but I want to lynch mderg or

tubesock as it stands now.

On January 10 2016 15:39 Tubesock wrote:
I've added Darthfoley and mderg to my townpile.

Darth because I really liked his interaction with Eden, and I can absolutely see why he would think both VA and I are scum.

To me whatever he is using for his heuristic is consistent and seems logical.

mderg because of TONE HA!

Yes, my 3 lynch possiblities are GiygaS then boxerfred/Kmatt (essentially plynches).

On January 11 2016 07:07 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Tubesock (4): Koshi, GiygaS, Raynpelikoneet, darthfoley
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, mderg, slOosh
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred

Not voted (1): Kmatt

---

Currently, Tubesock is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or

to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in

this thread.

On January 11 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred

Not voted (1): Kmatt

---

Currently, boxerfred is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or

to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in

this thread.

On January 11 2016 07:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred

Not voted (1): Kmatt

---

Currently, boxerfred is being lynched. You have until Sunday, Jan 10 11:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00), or to lynch someone. Voting is mandatory and done in this thread.

On January 11 2016 08:42 Tubesock wrote:
And Scott, how is it possible that Koshi, slOosh, and GGtemplar are anything but 7's?

On January 11 2016 08:40 Tubesock wrote:


Uhhh you actually think Giygas and I can be mafia together?

On January 11 2016 08:53 Eden1892 wrote:
boxerfred (3): GGTeMpLaR, slOosh, Koshi
Tubesock (2): GiygaS, darthfoley
GiygaS (2): Tubesock, Eden1892
nooniansoong (2): raynpelikoneet, mderg
VayneAuthority (1): nooniansoong
slOosh (1): VayneAuthority
Koshi (1): boxerfred

Not voted (1): Kmatt


GGTemplar, Sloosh, Koshi and mderg are for sure town.

Ray is also town. He had plenty of opportunities to drive one of the Tubesock/Giygas wagons home if he wanted to save boxerfred -- from the strict standpoint of saving mafia, his line was very inefficient -- and he would have also been okay bussing boxerfred if he felt boxerfred couldn't be saved.

Scott jumping in immediately with some knowledge bombs after replacing in doesn't mean anything. Dude probably had these notes all day from observing the game and updated them once he dropped in. If his activity keeps up then I'm not lynching him, but it's important not to give a pass just yet.

Really just do not give a fuck about VA or kush right now. ray is going to make me give a fuck before the night's over, and I'm fine with that. Will look into these guys next chance I get.

Still think there's probably one mafia between Tubesock and GiygaS, and that zero is only marginally more likely than two (which just isn't happening).

Aaaand that leaves darthfoley who I remember being ok.

Think my priority is:
(1) figure out how I feel about VA and Kush
(2) figure out this GiygaS/Tubesock thing
**(3) paranoid lynch ray way down the line because he's the only player here good enough as scum for me to totally whiff on.

(** 3 may not apply and I plan for it not to)

On January 11 2016 09:59 Tubesock wrote:


**cut down



Can you elaborate. By looking at the list portion it sure looks like you have several reads in there with VCA, yet you don't adjust the numbers some of which immediately follow the vote statements?

Also, what possible scum motivation is there for mderg to jump off someone he was bussing in the last 5 seconds? And how would that at all outweigh the benefits of gaining towncred on a lynch where it was clear no one was moving. Literally there was only 1 person calling for shenanigans and no one really visibly entertaining the idea.

On January 12 2016 08:42 Koshi wrote:

Claim if you are boxer.