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yamato77
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On April 05 2015 18:32 Blazinghand wrote: /out wooooooooooooooooooow | ||
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"I would have done that as scum OR town" | ||
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It's okay bud. I'll do you justice this game. | ||
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I'll come back when it's less dumb | ||
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On April 07 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote: all the grumpykins are mafia y/n? horrible post | ||
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On April 07 2015 20:44 GlowingBear wrote: Palmar, being unfunny doesn't make me Mafia If you think I had the intention of stopping discussion, you basically assume that I was protecting someone. If so, I'm automatically Mafia with one of them. Thinking through a Mafia perspective, if I see two townies discussing, I won't interfere so they can tunnel each other. So, you have to tell me who is my partner with them, or your argument simply doesn't hold water Worst post in the thread award goes to GB for this pile of scummy shit. | ||
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On April 08 2015 05:10 DreadReturn wrote: Could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? It is both a horrible straw man and a pathetic attempt at defending oneself from accusations. Your post on Palmar's post is also pretty bad. GJ. | ||
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On April 08 2015 05:49 Onegu wrote: I say ya kill your heroes and Fly, fly, baby don't cry. No need to worry cause Everybody will die. ##Vote Koshi You'll have to explain this one. | ||
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On April 08 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote: Oh and Damdred why should I comment on GB? I don't get the necessity of doing so while voting Vivax. (bear in mind I only skimmed the pages I wasn't around for and I glazed over a lot of GB's posts) 2 scum down. | ||
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On April 08 2015 07:17 Koshi wrote: HF already did things? Koshi/Palmar top town. | ||
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On April 08 2015 10:18 GlowingBear wrote: This game is boring. I stated two or three times that Eden has problems in his scumreads and nobody asked me why. Nobody is really trying to play this, sadly. I think both of you are scum | ||
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On April 08 2015 10:36 GlowingBear wrote: For shitty reasoning. You don't even try to push me to further analyse my alignment, you just come to the thread, say people are bad or that they are scum, then go back to your cover Palmar did plenty | ||
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So I'm sure you're all wondering "why did anyone ever think this yamato guy was any good at mafia?" Well, now you'll see. Damdred On April 08 2015 06:15 Damdred wrote: Eden your opening posts were popcorn without getting involved and that you weren't sure that Rsoul was town. I'm not sure how you want me to expound on them besides bad, you generally would of gotten involved in the thread which you didn't. Coupeled with your move to now soul read Rsoul when nothing has drastically changed from the early game in that regard has me left with mixed feelings that could be best described as you being scum, and now you are pushing on vivax without even commenting on GB I think?. Based on this post alone, I'm willing to townread Damdred. He gives a short but accurate summation of Eden's play (and the problems with it) which shows both attentiveness to the thread and a critical level of analysis about Eden's lack of overall attentiveness to actual thread happenings that people would call important. Why does Eden soulread rsoul at that point in the game? Why didn't he comment on GB, the leading lynch and perhaps the most-talked-about player in the game. It is strange. I scumread him for the same sort of reasoning. The fact that Damdred reached a similar conclusion with similar reasoning is enough to call him town. Eden To segue nicely here, let's talk about Eden and his choice of discussion topics. On April 07 2015 15:39 Eden1892 wrote: all the grumpykins are mafia y/n? I pointed out this post as horrible because it IS horrible. Not liking some sort of distracting thread-game is not alignment indicative. If one player decides to endlessly bitch about it and do nothing else, sure, but for me to simply opt out of joining in on HF's stupidity should not be anything alignment indicative to anyone. I'll talk more about this later when I get to HF but my point is THIS TYPE OF POST IS FUCKING STUPID On April 08 2015 06:07 Eden1892 wrote: This is the list of wimps that called me scum but didn't vote me. Take note cuz at least one is mafia. yamato vivax rsoultin damdred obi My pick is Vivax for copying yamato right after yamato did and then not doing anything with it. My other pick is Obi because lol lack of energy but I actually think he might say that as town. It's definitely not rsoultin. Could I guess be Damdred (I didn't like him just calling my opening "bad" without explanation when I feel like he normally explains it more). But I kinda feel like Damdred might be town for some reason I don't know yet Holyflare is prolly town. Koshi... Idk man, his posting style seems townie but he hasn't done a lot yet. When he's town there's normally a switch that gets flipped and he goes into obvtown mode, switch hasn't flipped yet. Palmar I like early. That's everyone I think These are his reads, for better or worse. He doesn't really explain ANY of his townreads, and his scumreads are all "called me scum but didn't vote me". Aside from that he comments on NOTHING ELSE THAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE GAME. Who gives out thin townreads and is preoccupied with how other players perceive them? Mafia. He does this at the expense of noting the huge Palmar/GB interaction that goes on for pages. I find it difficult to believe a townie overlooks that and simply focuses on people "scumreading" him. As for his explanation... On April 08 2015 06:32 Eden1892 wrote: Oh and Damdred why should I comment on GB? I don't get the necessity of doing so while voting Vivax. (bear in mind I only skimmed the pages I wasn't around for and I glazed over a lot of GB's posts) "skimmed gb's posts". But didn't he earlier call Palmar town? Shouldn't that clue him in on GB? and then... On April 08 2015 06:40 Eden1892 wrote: oooh he is? that's weird cuz I don't remember him doing anything suspicious. his arguing with Palmar seemed a little pointless but not enough to lynch over. who's voting for him? >_________> then we get the list post On April 08 2015 07:07 Eden1892 wrote: New list, maybe probably last post before mtg tonight. I will maybe try harder when I get back from then, sorry my posting hasn't been great so far just haven't gotten into the swing of things yet I guess. 1. Damdred (Damdy wamdy): Seems like town!Damdred from what I remember. I might just be being lazy and missing inconsistencies in his posts but whenever I read his stuff it seems like it checks out. Searching and motivated early which is a good sign. 2. Koshi (Koosh ball): Tonally reads like town!Koshi to me, not seeing the productivity or the "on switch" for him yet. I feel like he probably will flip the switch at some point but I reserve the right to lynch him if he doesn't  3. Onegu (1gu): Literally don't even care, remember nothing but him posting lyrics. Dude just tends to troll and shit and get POE lynched late, hopefully he'll do something silly like claim mason in a way that can't possibly be scumread so I can read him. 4. ObiWanShinobi (obi trice, real name no gimmicks): Gets points for being the only motherfucker calling me mafia with the balls to put a vote on it, even though his reason was meh and I don't remember him doing much else. Not enough points to be town lean though. 5. GlowingBear (GB): I guess at some point I'll read what he said. If 4 people wanted to vote him over it then it must be important. But nothing he said really caught my attention the first time, seemed like some pointless nitpicking at Palmar but idk. I didn't read closely. zzz 6. DreadReturn (+ Show Spoiler +): This guy just posted and it sounded ok, which is great cuz otherwise I didn't remember he was even in the game. It seemed earnest though, he looks like he gives a shit. 7. rsoultin (+ Show Spoiler +): Count on it. 8.Palmar (Ram pal): I actually get this bad feeling in the back of my head that Palmar trying hard early makes him mafia, but his posting actually seemed pretty townie and I would much rather Palmar do this from now on so I'm gonna reward it with a townread. Seemed like he had a good direction to what he was digging into (although I admit I don't really remember much of what he was digging into lol). It was around p15-16, maybe later I'll go find what made me think this. 9.Vivax(Viv): What a wuss. 10.Eden1892 (Eden Stevens) 11.ritoky (Tokyo city? I got nothing): His gifs early were funny but he hasn't done anything yet. Having now seen a few of his games as either alignment recently I think I can get a good read on him in time. 12.yamato77 (Weapon Refit): Also a wuss, and it feels like he's doing a lot of grumpy posting without trying to fix the things he's grumpy about. Take with a grain of salt though because literally the exact last time I accused him of this he was town :/ I had him as italics red which is scumlean but thinking over this more he should probably be null. I'm not good at reading yamato but I don't like his early posting. 13.HolyFlare(Not DP): I generally like the arguments he's made so far and I look forward to the game show!!!! Apparently he's confident enough to call Palmar town but HE DOESN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHAT PALMAR WAS DOING, BY HIS OWN ADMISSION HE STILL HASN'T LOOKED AT GB! (wtf?!) His read on me is so non-committal it makes me want to puke. Soooooo yeah. I don't understand how he read the thread. On April 08 2015 07:45 Eden1892 wrote: y not  i thought about not revealing it but people apparently missed it... Apparently he's even really attentive, but entertains the idea that he should keep people's reads secret, for whatever reason. It doesn't make any sense. HOW DID HE NOTICE THIS IN HF's POST AND NOT KNOW WHY PEOPLE WERE VOTING GB?!?! Page 3 of his filter is him actually going back and reading the thread, and at the end of it he comes back with this: On April 08 2015 13:39 Eden1892 wrote: You are probably town, Vivax looks alright, Palmar looks not so good, Damdred looks not so good. Das it mayne Lol? Two of his townreads aren't actually town to him now and Vivax suddenly isn't scum? Wtf was he doing before this point, if he's going to arrive at this conclusion now? Fucking off? Ugh. On April 08 2015 14:16 Eden1892 wrote: holy shit you ain't kiddin. rofl i will endorse this read. yamato is typically a low-volume poster but the difference between showdown (last mafiaside game played) and student vi (last townside game played) is night and day. when he's town he's a high-content poster despite the low volume, when he's mafia... just go check showdown his filter is literally 2 pgs of nothing lmao. and this game's performance so far is much closer to student vi. i still want to see him doing something to be sure but i'm cool with early tr on him And apparently I'm now town as well, just becuase I played ONE SCUM GAME where I didn't post basically at all? Did you know that I've won as scum before in a game that contained rayn, marv, and Palmar all as town? My range of scum play isn't simply "doesn't play whatsoever", yet Eden is confident enough after reading a single filter of mine to give me a townread. Overall, Eden's initial reads to the game fucking blew, and his reread of the game has him coming back with complete 180s on several people. It's nice to see that he's able to change his mind but I find it difficult to believe a lot of his reasoning. He's definitely not lynchworthy but he stuck out to me early. The more I read what I've written, the more likely I am to just call his early game play fucking lazy and write him off as town if his activity continues. Damdred still gets points for noting his shitty early play. Holyflare I'm only commenting on his posts about me/obi because they are the only things actually related to the game of mafia! http://i.imgur.com/AJAwkQ6.png Boils down to: "yamato doesn't like my game so he's mafia" lolhf fucking play the game. http://i.imgur.com/DJnkL7n.png Also boils down to: "obi doesn't like my game so he's mafia" lolhf fucking play the game. (notably, he must think eden is town because he also picks out posts where we shit on Eden. lolhf) alignment: who the fuck knows? having fun does not = town ObiWan Obi doesn't like HF (but doesn't scumread him), likes Eden (now, not before), and is convinced that I'm town. ehhh null + Show Spoiler + On April 08 2015 14:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: In regards to a normal player I'd agree with you, but I've seen yamato's scumgame and the level of apathy he displayed was ridiculous, to the point where he didn't even bother commenting on anything at all and only came into the thread to lol at people and tell them he didn't have time to play. Yamato has almost always been a low content guy iirc. This is not true. DreadReturn Smurf = -2 townpoints We're not starting off well here. On April 08 2015 04:55 DreadReturn wrote: I think Palmer's interpretation of GB's early post is pretty weak. Take the post that Palmer convinces himself with: Two points here: "HF and Obi were having a shitfest" - That's not right. They exchanged maybe 5 small one liners and a picture between themselves. It's a very mild scuffle / banter. If GB could be accused of "stopping" anything, it's mild banter. "The problem I have is that is by far the worst option available" - Palmer isn't actually showing why GB is scum with this. How does this make him scum? He points out things that GB could have done, and then concludes that by act of omission GB must be scum. How? There's a huge logical gap there. This type of weak reasoning could easily be applied to anyone else on those pages, and again, we are talking about day 1 early game banter here. Palmer's analysis is weak because he is either exaggerating or misconstruing what GB said and did, and is suggesting GB is scum without actually giving a reason why he is scum. Misses the fucking point. ANY CASE MADE at that point is going to be extremely speculative, especially as the game continues on and more information comes into the thread. This is a weak defense of GB and also an incredibly easy post to make as mafia. What it fails to realize is this: GB's post where he strawmans Palmar is exactly the sort of thing a mafia would do in that situation: use fallacy to dumb down the argument and cause the thread to lose clarity. Palmar coming out of the gate firing is actually a pretty strong towntell, especially if he follows his read up later on. I have yet to see him do that but he may yet be the townie we all want him to be. As someone who is obviously not a mafia newbie, this player SHOULD know better than to attack Palmar for this sort of thing at this stage in the game. MOST people do not have the history to know that Palmar is actually a fucking beast when he wants to be and thus will only know Trollmar. People that only know Trollmar should even townread Palmar for this sort of thing. It doesn't make any sense for someone to attack him. On April 08 2015 06:45 DreadReturn wrote: Again, could you please explain how this post is alignment indicative? All I see is an argument claiming that it is a low quality post, not an argument showing that it is a scum aligned post. Same for your comment on my post. You claim that it's bad - that's it? Am I scum for it? Is Palmar town for his post? Do you have any conclusions? Damdred, could you give one town read that's not Palmar and a brief (like 1 liner) explanation for it? Notably, his post on Palmar FAILS TO COMMENT ON HIS ALIGNMENT. He knocks me for attacking GB (as he did Palmar) yet he essentially did the same thing in GB's defense. Why is DreadReturn so concerned with defending GB, and not with providing actual scumreads? It is a common mafia tactic to defend a scummy-looking townie that people want to lynch in an effort to appear active and to derail town's efforts at consolidating on lynches. Based on this, it isn't difficult at all to see mafia motivation in DR's posting. Plus, he's a fucking smurf. Koshi On April 08 2015 03:49 Koshi wrote: I am pretty sure Vivax is mafia. His posts are off. I can't/wont explain it yet. HF could be anything. But he isn't a townread. If he isn't mafia anybody else except Damdred could be mafia. I don't know what Damdred said. I am reading the thread though. It was probably smart because I like Damdred this game. I like this post from Koshi. He could be wrong, of course, but I like how he's thinking about the game and how he comments on people's alignment. He is almost constantly voting and posting his little scum team updates and such which shows that his reads are evolving. No reason to believe he's mafia. On April 08 2015 16:43 Koshi wrote: I'll quickly explain my actions in the Vivax case. I voted for GB because he said something really dumb, so dumb that I thought he could be town for saying that dumb thing. But I had to vote him nonetheless. That's why I added "I am voting for a town" line. When rsoultin asked me to explain my reads I just said "What Palmar said" because I remembered vaguely Palmar said something smart. tldr: Vivax is mafia. Plus this. Koshi humor is hilarious. Can't lynch this guy. Onegu Has only trolled. I have never seen Onegu only troll. I literally don't know how to read him this game. Someone else do it for me. GlowingBear THE MOMENT OF TRUTH WHAT DO I NOW THINK ABOUT GB?!?!? I'll skip over to the posts I have yet to comment on. On April 08 2015 04:27 GlowingBear wrote: It is. Eden has posted very content less posts, but palmar treats him differently. This double standards reinforces the scenario where palmar is Mafia. Apparently he actually believes the idea that Palmar is mafia. Essentially alignment null, but worth noting. He also soulreads HF town for the game thing, even though Obi literally pointed out that HF has done this shit as mafia before. Could just be a really bad player. He is one of the most active players, and while I disagree with his reads and how he approaches the game, it's difficult to believe that GB is actually mafia here. He is most likely similar to Eden in that they say horrible and bad things all the time but are actually just town. So yeah. Plus, it makes more sense if he's town given that mafia-DR is chainsaw defending him. Will switch my vote posthaste. rsoultin lots of her earlygame is marv-esque poking and prodding that I generally tend to like in a player, as it shows both a clear attentiveness to the thread and a willingness to interact with people about their reads to provide more clarity. On April 08 2015 13:53 rsoultin wrote: damn it all i'd just finished. oh well just gonna post a marv-like list of awesome right here and if y'all want more, ask Town Glowingbear Holyflare Onegu - my boi ^^ Eden - bumpted up for recent posts Townish OWS - the cluelessness is real <3 Koshi Maybe Town? ritoky - like the laidback approach but otherwise hard to read dreadreturn Null Palmar - equal pluses and minuses but one post that tonally feels town so eeeeh Scummy Vivax - lack of commitment to reads on a whole, some weird waffling with no conclusions Damdred Yamato - goes from prob mafia on hf to don't give in to his stupidity? sniping. no explanation for reads i'm cool with lynching anyone in the scummy section but can we please lynch yamato? -bats eyelashes- Her reads aren't bad, but I fail to understand Damdred as scummy at this juncture. I also don't understand a townread of Onegu. Not going to nitpick here, she seems to be reading the thread and clearly cares about finding a good lynch, even if it is on me. Palmar I've talked quite a bit about what I think of Palmar already, but I will say that I hope he comes back to the thread to update his reads and continue to push other things. I wouldn't like it if he continued to push GB or if he reverted to trolling. Yes, this is putting an expectation about a player's play out into the thread and preempting their return (which is bad, don't do it) but I'm confident enough in my ability to read Palmar that I'm not concerned with him knowing what I would usually expect. Vivax ? Vivax is a decent mafia player, when he wants to be. His towngame is... lacking. I have conflicting opinions on his filter. One one hand: On April 08 2015 12:55 Vivax wrote: Good morning, it's 5:54 AM here. 2 Pages left to read. Yamato Palmar town heroes. Koshi seems to have the usual boner on me. DreadReturn shitty excessively focused post. Eden just focuses on people calling his shitty post shitty instead of discussing if it is shitty. Good method of skipping over the GB stuff. Obi Wan just typed "this is infuriating". Now I'm curious. On the other: On April 08 2015 18:28 Vivax wrote: You're just imitating your town meta of tunneling me in every game I'm town. D: Dunno. Would like to know why Koshi/rsoul think this guy is scum. ritoky ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/0d80cf0eb0527b6f58077be00eae4cf2.png) List Thingy For People Too Dumb To Read Because there are many of you and I don't discriminate ritoky rsoul Koshi gb eden Palmar damdred? obi HF Onegu Vivax DreadReturn ##Unvote ##Vote: DreadReturn | ||
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