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jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
January 26 2015 22:24 GMT
#15
/in

##Vote: The WarWaffle
....lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
January 29 2015 23:51 GMT
#25
On January 28 2015 12:49 rsoultin wrote:
i'd like to

/obs

since I think I've finally "graduated" from newbie @.@

want to see if my toneread on my bro holds even when he rolls scum

let's see your scumgame bro xP


WOAH WOAH WOAH. U can't STUDY my scumgame! I'm full of mystery and....things and stuff.... lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
January 29 2015 23:53 GMT
#26
So I'm guessing that I probably shouldn't ask for a no lynch day 1 in this game.

That learning curve tho
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
January 30 2015 00:16 GMT
#28
lol

so if I don't do that....I'm scum?

dang it lolz
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
January 30 2015 00:30 GMT
#30
LOL so it took him liiiiike 3 weeks to still not get the first joke I made in my first game

jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
January 30 2015 01:49 GMT
#33
On January 30 2015 10:10 rsoultin wrote:
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On January 30 2015 09:30 jarjarbinks wrote:
LOL so it took him liiiiike 3 weeks to still not get the first joke I made in my first game



I know, right? xP

That's okay. You scum me in every game when you have no decent reads, just cause I could possibly (but have never in the past) fool you xP -beats with a wet noodle-


lol waaaaaaaaaat no I totally have decent reads like all the time xD u obviously were super suspicious! All like 20 billion pages of filter was suspicious!
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 13 2015 23:10 GMT
#77
Im here! sorry about that lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 06:08 GMT
#114
Hey guys.

Trf: Low content game because of it being a newbie game? Or because of valentines day?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 06:10 GMT
#116
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 06:11 GMT
#117
On February 15 2015 15:09 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 15:04 Trfel wrote:
On February 15 2015 14:58 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 14:50 Trfel wrote:
On February 15 2015 14:45 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 14:38 Trfel wrote:
On February 15 2015 14:32 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 14:26 Trfel wrote:
The Shining's opening posts seem somewhat like yours (rsoultin). Both respond to me, and both seem somewhat skeptical of my opening. I don't like this because it goes absolutely nowhere with starting the discussion.

In particular, The Shining's restatement of my opening post seemed off. Usually, telling the scum to watch out seems to be useless. However, saying that someone needs to back up their words after they say this is even more useless.

But, The Shining definitely has a point. My opening post does lack substance. Outside of some extremely brilliant setup talk (which isn't going to happen given the simple setups for this game), a roleclaim is the only first post of any substance that I can think of. But someone has got to do it. I don't feel that my posts warrant the seemingly displeased attitude that The Shining is showing towards me, but I can't say that it isn't at least somewhat deserved.

So, I don't particularly like the way that The Shining has played so far, but I see no reason why it is any more likely to come from one alignment from the other.
+ Show Spoiler +
And if you are wondering why it took me so many words to say that, that's a good question.


@.@

Null novels from a Truffle are always suspect xP I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt for the moment and say you're just trying to explain why it's null.

Eh, I didn't find his post terrible? Usually I make similar points with less words and more irony, since your starting post was so blindingly duh xP Is it bad that my main reason for reading you slight town right now was how you seemed to be mocking yourself in your entrance? lol

Yeah, that's probably not the best way to get a read. Note that the self-mockery has not yet stopped.

As for RNGing a lynch, I'm really surprised that you said that. Especially in a low-activity game, RNGing a lynch is even less effective. This is because it loses the purpose of creating discussion from a new push, and because there is less to work with. It's much better to make a case on someone who has posted in the thread, and exaggerate it to seem stronger than it actually is.


Ah, but BH swears by it xP Can't possibly be bad, right? lol

I'm not much of one for exaggeration. I do tend to overplay my certainty on things for persuasion purposes, but I find I convince myself of things too easily and exaggerating points doesn't help.

(The facetiousness in your opening post suggested to me that you were aware of how BS it was and not trying to hide that fact. Yes, it's a tone read, but I don't think it's a terrible one.)

That's why I said it probably isn't the best way to read me. I'm sure there are a lot of tone tells that I give that people can pick up on, but of course I don't know them. In this case, your read is correct, so it's quite possible that it has some validity (not that you can be 100% certain of that, of course).

I think that RNG lynch is a poor strategy, when compared to other strategies. It can still be effective, and in the hands of a good player, I'm sure it can be very effective. It definitely has merits. But in a low-content game like this one will almost certainly be, I think it's one of the worse things to try and do.

Would you like me to build a case on myself to give you some ideas?


Lol, not particularly? I don't see the point.

All I have is tone on you to put you as a town lean, and everything else is solidly null. If you want to make a case against yourself, that's fine? I guess? But I'd be more impressed with a case you actually believed xP Or, rather, I guess if you're scum you'd believe it just fine, but I think you catch my drift, right?

Fine, you're right.

Since I don't see much reason to call you scum at the moment, I guess there's not much more to do then. On the bright side, the game is slightly more interesting than it was earlier.


Lol, we've at least given people something to read when they return? I'm also looking forward to JJB playing ^^ I really want to see him play scum to see if my toneread on him holds water as both alignments.


Psh. You don't know me! lol I'm like super secretive and stuff lol
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 06:13 GMT
#119
On February 15 2015 15:12 Trfel wrote:
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On February 15 2015 15:08 jarjarbinks wrote:
Hey guys.

Trf: Low content game because of it being a newbie game? Or because of valentines day?

I'm mostly worried about this game because it is a newbie game.

Historically, newbie games tend to be significantly more mafia favored than normal games, and the newbie game Day 1 mafia lynch percentage is lower than random guessing (oh the irony...). I think that this is primarily due to inactivity.


I could see that, I think my first game (the newbie one) was only like 50 ish pages while the student one (my second) was like 100. Guessing its due to a lack of confidence?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 06:17 GMT
#121
On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol


Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro?

Probably not -amused-

I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP


Nope, totally 5th wheeled a weird after church double date thing tho. I should prob get one of those date things.

LOL just make sure you don't actually read all of the rules first
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 06:26 GMT
#124
On February 15 2015 15:20 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 15:17 jarjarbinks wrote:
On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol


Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro?

Probably not -amused-

I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP


Nope, totally 5th wheeled a weird after church double date thing tho. I should prob get one of those date things.

LOL just make sure you don't actually read all of the rules first


Or my role PM? xP

Dude, if only you'd posted that in-thread; it could totally make the wtf awards ^^

So, opinions on any of the players/goings-on thus far?


Trf's opening: slightly less crazy than last game I played with him in. No random vote the guy who might be inactive play. Wants to promote discussion. I could go either way cuz he "tried" to do that as scum.

Shining- not much reaction there. What i'd typically expect I guess?

You- I expect you to do what you do every game. You did it...lol

Everyone else: I'm guessing they are gone for valentine's. I'd get worried if people aren't chiming in when I wake up tomorrow.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 06:36 GMT
#127
On February 15 2015 15:31 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 15 2015 15:26 jarjarbinks wrote:
On February 15 2015 15:20 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 15:17 jarjarbinks wrote:
On February 15 2015 15:14 rsoultin wrote:
On February 15 2015 15:10 jarjarbinks wrote:
Rsoultin: Do you think you could actually RNG lynch someone? I don't think you could lol


Speak of the devil ^^ Did you have a hot date tonight I don't know about, bro?

Probably not -amused-

I'm sure there's a how-to online somewhere, though >> I could just google it xP


Nope, totally 5th wheeled a weird after church double date thing tho. I should prob get one of those date things.

LOL just make sure you don't actually read all of the rules first


Or my role PM? xP

Dude, if only you'd posted that in-thread; it could totally make the wtf awards ^^

So, opinions on any of the players/goings-on thus far?


Trf's opening: slightly less crazy than last game I played with him in. No random vote the guy who might be inactive play. Wants to promote discussion. I could go either way cuz he "tried" to do that as scum.

Shining- not much reaction there. What i'd typically expect I guess?

You- I expect you to do what you do every game. You did it...lol

Everyone else: I'm guessing they are gone for valentine's. I'd get worried if people aren't chiming in when I wake up tomorrow.


That's probably fair given the state of the game at the moment. No amazing insights from the numbers man :/


Yep. My insights=pile of crap lol
4 new people right?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 15:58 GMT
#138
I actually liked the plan just because it was different and promoted discussion. I think it could also produce some insight on who mafia kills at night too. Say if mafia kills the next guy in the link, you might take away that mafia isn't worried about being on the chop block soon. Plus people's one time ability is something real, like votes, in comparison to words. If I use my one-time ability on rsoultin, it means a lot more than me defending her in discussion.

I guess I could see either mafia or strong town reads be more willing to break the cycle over more quiet town. They are probably going to lead the vote wagons and the discussions anyways?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 16:02 GMT
#139
On February 15 2015 22:58 zlefin wrote:
I can't explain my reads well, they're only quite mild reads at this point.

For Trfel, it's partly a tonal read, and partly that he's encouraging discussion and trying to get things going. So he's either town, or a well-played (and hence dangerous) scum.

For jarjar, it's just an impression, I can't really explain why.


Could you use a quote or something to explain Trf's?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 16:15 GMT
#141
On February 16 2015 01:07 Hier wrote:
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On February 15 2015 19:51 ElyAs wrote:
Came back from sleep to see this was on. Gonna share my thoughts on what on some posts that I find significant.

On February 15 2015 10:24 Trfel wrote:
On February 15 2015 10:22 rsoultin wrote:
Since when are you so confident, Truffle?

Remember last game where I opened confidently?

I do. It was the game where I was mafia.

[...]

Hier, I don't like your plan, but I agree that all participants should post as soon as possible

If everybody was willing to follow the plan, it could work, but I can't see either mafia or townies with strong reads willing to break the circle. Plus pressure vote is a good tool in my opinion and your plan forces you to cast a vote on a strong read, it's harder to pressure with only 1 switch.
Still, I'd like for more people to comment on your plan.

Please be careful of what you say, typically only a mafia player would include themselves in a set of people that require "strong reads"; it's done for inclusion's sake because the mafia don't have "reads" - they can see everything as is.

Your rationale is flawed. People with strong reads are more willing to break the links, not less. Further, the number of switches you have has nothing to do with how susceptible you are to be pressured to a vote. With 2 people, out of only 9, dying every vote cycle having more than 1 switch trivializes the tool, which is what The Bridges is, and deprives each switch of its subtle meaning.

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On February 15 2015 19:58 zlefin wrote:
I don't like that plan, too complicated for a newbie game, and it's not like a methodology can force a superior outcome. The only achievable objective would be getting people to play more, but I think there's better ways to accomplish that.

[...]

Don't assume everyone here can't comprehend a simple set of rules. In a vacuum nothing can force a superior outcome, however passivity favours mafia.

Hit me, what "better ways" are you thinking of right now? In your experience, is the use of a smiley face signal scum for you? What about people analysing your analysis of that suspiciously sarcastic undertone some guy is utilizing? Can you analyse that analysis of your analysis and get a good read on the person?

We can go around in circles aimlessly. An engraved method forces people with a little too much knowledge to act the way people without said knowledge wouldn't.


He made a mistake and meant the opposite of what he said in the quote you posted. Still I really liked your post here.

Have you used this idea in a past game? Has it seen success? Did you just come up with it?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 17:29 GMT
#156
On February 16 2015 01:21 rsoultin wrote:
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On February 16 2015 00:58 jarjarbinks wrote:
I actually liked the plan just because it was different and promoted discussion. I think it could also produce some insight on who mafia kills at night too. Say if mafia kills the next guy in the link, you might take away that mafia isn't worried about being on the chop block soon. Plus people's one time ability is something real, like votes, in comparison to words. If I use my one-time ability on rsoultin, it means a lot more than me defending her in discussion.

I guess I could see either mafia or strong town reads be more willing to break the cycle over more quiet town. They are probably going to lead the vote wagons and the discussions anyways?


You don't see a problem with the simple fact that town is in the dark and mafia isn't? Most games I've played I have so many nullish or slight leans, especially early game, but using a one-time-ability on someone I'm far from certain of? That's lolworthy when it might better be preserved for later xP

Also, town not knowing each other for sure, what's to encourage making reads if the lynch is already set at start of day? How will you make your vote analysis?

Not a fan of this style of play at all. If it was so effective, it would already be in use.


Good point. Only if everyone is actively discussed how inclined they are to save the person would there be any real discussion. If the person being "autolynched" is someone you aren't sure of or isn't you, then there isn't much incentive to use your one-time only switch. So if no one uses their switch then there probably won't be much of anything going on. I guess this strategy is banking on people using their switch?
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 17:47 GMT
#158
I tried to put this idea in a spreadsheet, the odds are very similar to just RNG lynching like you guys said. Mafia stands a decent chance of not even needing to use a switch (47 ish percent). Plus mafia can switch if the odds don't work in their favor.
jarjarbinks
Profile Joined December 2014
569 Posts
February 15 2015 18:14 GMT
#163
Ya I went back through it, and it definitely has mafia in favor (I was wrong on the 47%, its 33% mafia doesn't need to make a switch and still wins without losing a mafia member) If I was mafia, I would definitely roll the dice on any automated lynch strategy.
My spreadsheet doesn't take into account people's reads though. Say rsoultin (almost always townread by everyone in the game every game) is on the chop block, I'm pretty sure someone would use their switch on her. If she's mafia, for obvious reasons. If she's town, then because everyone thinks she's town and knows that it is a mistake.
That goes right back to mafia have perfect information over town not having it. If we used the bridge strategy, our only real hope would be to:
1. figure out how mafia would NK based on that strategy, which looks very similar to WIFOM.
2. Heavily analyze ANY switch that is made. It should mean a lot for someone to use their 1 free pass to make the switch. Which also might seem a little WIFOMy.

I'm not sure how to judge people based on their reactions to the system. I was the only one that liked it and backtracked later through rsoultin and excel. I tried to think of something similar to this for my last game for similar reasons to what Hier pointed out. Everyone else didn't like it.
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