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slOosh
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On July 30 2014 03:33 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I volunteer vivax for player vote counter. ##Vote Counter: Vivax | ||
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slOosh
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Day 0 Vote Counter Vote Count Vivax (2) - Artanis[xP], slOosh Vivax is set to be Vote Counter. Day ends in 44 minutes. | ||
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slOosh
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On July 30 2014 07:30 Vivax wrote: We have some discussion going and try to find the good apples in the crowd, this joke has the potential to polarize and stir chaos and somehow doesn't fit into the zen picture of a constructive town. In short words: Are you scum? Why come in swinging? Yes and I dunno. | ||
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slOosh
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I'm not sure what sour puss is but ok. Just asking about them wisdom teeth drugs. | ||
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On July 30 2014 07:50 Vivax wrote: My post about SlOosh was even more analytical, and not instantly condemning as opposed to yours, which was limited to skip over my point of view to summarize it as being tryhard scum. Faced with your one-way infamy I see no choice but to force you to be prepared for a challenge against my minority, and from what I've gathered, you seem to display a great deal of cowardice, and call my courage retardedness, just like a rat would, to rationalize his failure in facing a much more worthy contender. Please explain. | ||
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slOosh
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On July 30 2014 07:59 Vivax wrote: Already did. That post is easy enough to understand. I was trying to get townreads on early posters, and get a circle to write the law of this town, when you joined in completely oblivious of that noble intent, derailing the thread into an unproductive direction. I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids! | ||
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On July 30 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote: I picked SlOosh's post cause it interfered with my intent and was after all, a post that might or might not tell me he's scumreading me. It was one of those posts that have the potential to cause chaos while you try to get a productive discussion going, and people making those posts can say it was meant seriously or as a joke afterwards, whatever they prefer and is most comfortable for them in the moment they have to explain it. Understandable. I found it ludicrous that you would accuse me of "polarizing and stirring chaos" off a duel post, especially since it was just established a couple posts back that it was night time and duels don't happen until day cycle begins. Furthermore, I don't see how what you were doing was necessarily a clear cut way of "making a town circle", because, let's face it, scum can setup spec with the best of them, so I question just how productive your discussions were that you could claim that I was being that much more unproductive. I find it disconcerting that you are throwing mud on HolyFlare in a not-straightforward manner. How scummy do you find him? | ||
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slOosh
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On July 30 2014 10:45 Vivax wrote: I feel like this guy and HF have only been trying to paint all the stuff I've done in the worst light possible, so I need third party opinions. Ok, we (me you and HF) are gonna clear this out now otherwise we probably won't be able to play the game proper since it will nag at our minds and whatnot. I'll step through my thought process from start to end, and give the evolution of my thoughts. Let's keep it civil and clean. The posts in question that started it all are the following: On July 30 2014 07:27 slOosh wrote: ##Duel: Vivax On July 30 2014 07:30 Vivax wrote: We have some discussion going and try to find the good apples in the crowd, this joke has the potential to polarize and stir chaos and somehow doesn't fit into the zen picture of a constructive town. In short words: Are you scum? Why come in swinging? On July 30 2014 07:34 Holyflare wrote: Other joke posts/not caring posts from me and ritoky and you pick out sloosh who is doing the same thing and write a big paragraph explaining it. Reeks of too mafia try hard. My initial post was done as a simple read check / way to jumpstart discussion. I don't think the posts prior were doing much apart from being opener posts, so I went ahead and did it. Your general phrasing of questions was very off putting. When you ask "Are you scum?", how is that meaningful? How is that helpful? Prior, you asked Obi "Will you have the balls to duel somebody at some point in the game or do you prefer to leave it to others?" which also felt quite loaded. There are tones of "are you scum or are you scum". Perhaps I'm reading too much into it / language barrier or whatnot, but that is the feeling that those questions give. HolyFlare (I'm guessing) interpreted my post as a joke / not something serious, and then found your response out of character, given the presence of other joke posts. What soon follows is you basically calling HolyFlare scum in each post you make without being explicit of why HolyFlare is mafia. To clarify, it wasn't explicitly clear to me, maybe it was obvious to you. On July 30 2014 07:57 Vivax wrote: Misrepresentations of my posts will be either corrected or punished. Stubborn perseverance on a point made that apparently isn't valid enough for you to definitely categorize me as scum, but valid enough to be classified as analytical, isn't something I see as townie behaviour. I have challenged your strange confidence you expressed in me being mafia by forcing you to prepare for an eventual duel, and now you have proven my point by saying that nobody can be very confident 30 minutes in the game, yet that post of yours sounded like it was the case, given that it offered no townie explanation for my behaviour. You have backtracked in the face of danger, sir. Prepare for the consequences. On July 30 2014 07:50 Vivax wrote: My post about SlOosh was even more analytical, and not instantly condemning as opposed to yours, which was limited to skip over my point of view to summarize it as being tryhard scum. Faced with your one-way infamy I see no choice but to force you to be prepared for a challenge against my minority, and from what I've gathered, you seem to display a great deal of cowardice, and call my courage retardedness, just like a rat would, to rationalize his failure in facing a much more worthy contender. On July 30 2014 08:08 Vivax wrote: I think the idea Obi proposed of getting one townie looking guy to duel a scummy guy is good. Mafia can cause a lot of chaos in the eventuality that two scummy people duel each other. Imagine if they both were townies. You mislynch one, and they can push the idea that people on his wagon were scummy, then maybe they mislynch the other, and so on. Besides, if mafia so wants, they can simply refuse to duel, upon which somebody has to take up the task and pick one of the two. Seems rather unrealistical. I like the idea of having one townie guy duel somebody who is scummy, it will look one sided, but it will also be one of the opportunities where either scum shows face or has to give up on their teammate, if the target was right. And after all, if somebody is confident enough, he will duel on his own. We should be careful after all to not become tunneled and emotional all too quickly, even though it's hard for me when confronted with HF's attempts to misrepresent my posts and paint me scum. I found this post very reasonable. It clearly explained your intent and explains why you reacted the way you did from a town motivation. On July 30 2014 08:14 Vivax wrote: I picked SlOosh's post cause it interfered with my intent and was after all, a post that might or might not tell me he's scumreading me. It was one of those posts that have the potential to cause chaos while you try to get a productive discussion going, and people making those posts can say it was meant seriously or as a joke afterwards, whatever they prefer and is most comfortable for them in the moment they have to explain it. Without this post, it just seemed that you were calling me scum for vague reasons. Upon leaving thread and thinking about it, and rereading, I feel that both you (Vivax) and HolyFlare are town, and have different playstyles which account for the misunderstanding and consequent finger pointing. This is where I stand. If you have more you want from me, ask away. HolyFlare if you want to talk logics or whatever, I'm here to talk as well. I think that we should clear this up earlier than later, lest we emotionally make a gutshot duel or something. | ||
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slOosh
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On July 30 2014 09:34 Palmar wrote: Now that I'm confirmed town I'm gonna go to sleep. JAT is probably town too. yamato77 sinani206 fuba goodkarma MysteryMeat1 batsnacks raynpelikoneet Damdred many mafia above. ^^  gn Reason being that I think Vivax and HolyFlare are town, and the argument between quite clashy, which newer scum would have more difficulty entering thread. The people who have already entered looked ok and didn't seem particularly awkward. | ||
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slOosh
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ObiWanShinobi is bleeding town if he is who we are talking about. | ||
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Anyhows at this point I'm still feel goods about Palmar's list for reasons I mentioned earlier. Anyone feel not so good about anyone who has posted thus far? | ||
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On July 30 2014 11:37 justanothertownie wrote: Take a look at damdred. Am I wrong or does it look like he is just saying things for the sake of having said something? On July 30 2014 11:38 Holyflare wrote: I'd like damd to talk more about things he read than just obi and setup seeing as he's caught up and vivax is tbd. Other than that (marv till he posts logic) not really anyone else worries me (ritoky maybe). A background of Damdred is that he was invited to TL mafia from a different mafia website. He has then played a couple of games I think, Storm 2 (which I played in) and Titanic 4 (which I cohosted). He generally has a more reserved, quiet type style where he doesn't speak too much but will offer thoughts when questioned on them. There's nothing in particular about his posts that alarm me, and it may very well be that he is posting just to have said something (as town). I don't find it necessarily scummy as it is what I imagine a town Damdred would try to do more (post thoughts out loud instead of only when asked for them, for the sake of "being read as town"). If you ask him specific questions, I found that he answers pretty clearly. I'm just saying I'd be slow to apply the "shy / timid = mafia" heuristic on him. So I guess ... ask him some clear reads now and again if you want or something. I'm slight leaning town on Vivax for now, I'm sure he will slip up if scum later on, marv seems alright for the Vivax/HF town thing, and ritoky feels more confident and outspoken ala Cell Mini 2 and stuff. I feel ok about all these people but understand if you guys have slightly scummier reads on them. On that note, hypothetical cops, I would recommend Palmar's list. It's coolbeans. | ||
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