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I promise to be on my most gentlemanly behavior. being super active is a challenge for me, but this will always be the case unless I quit my job. as per my other games I'll of course put in effort and be effective in the time I have available, but if you're only looking for the heavyweights game level of activity, let me know and I'll grumpily (jk, graciously) sit this one out. | ||
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this is news to me. are the rest of you aware of this?? we must alert the others! | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:16 Mocsta wrote: post 4 K thrawn is town De ja ducking vu explain. you're going to burn through your posts really quickly if you write 1 to 2 liners and expect the rest of us to all be on your wavelength. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:17 sciberbia wrote: I think Cora is most likely to be scum so far. His entrance to the thread is what I would describe as very 'safe'. It's trolly, ingratiating, and echoes what Mocsta already said. agree or disagree. agreed, very high chance imo. only potentially succeeded by this even more 'safe' entrance: On November 20 2013 12:00 sciberbia wrote: Hello everyone!  also trolly and ingratiating because why are you smiling at me? i've no idea who you are. are you my enemy? i don't know about you, but i've come from a tough city, living on the streets, forced to make a living in any way possible. i don't smile at passerby's on the street. the only people that do, do so with a smug sneer, and they are the pigs. | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:24 Mocsta wrote: post 5 Scum like to interrupt town circles, so dial down the tone will ya. I think if there are 3 scum. So far it'saquanim, sciberbia and you. Course not everyone has posted so this is tentative and subject to change. The answer to your question was in my previous post. Dr ja vu. Thrawn is contextually reading the same as I do. It's only a small point but enough for a town lean at this stage of the game. Thanks for looking out for my post count | ||
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On November 20 2013 12:57 cDgCorazon wrote: I think it is sciberia either not understanding that the first page of a game is usually just joking around or he is trying to rock the boat ridiculously early in the game. Seeing as sciberia is not new to this game, I think it's the latter. and what's wrong with rocking the boat ridiculously early in the game? did you notice that mocsta also did the same thing? according to him, from the 1st page, aqua, sciberia, and I are scum. do you only take issue with sciberia's page 1 analysis only because it's about you? | ||
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i don't see the distinction between mocsta's explicitly stating and sciberia's "window looking". how were they different? could you expand pls? | ||
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town lean on: thrawn, scib, dude whose name starts with jamp or something, onegu, rayn null on: mocsta, JJD, lone meow leaning scum on: rean, cora, aqua unclear to me why onegu is obv scum/2nd day lynch according to moc. I'll take a closer look at his filter tonight along with my null to scum reads and update who I'm comfortable lynching day 1. | ||
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I'd be curious to know whether thrown is joking around with the obv town comment or if he's 100% serious and why. | ||
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Cora+ Show Spoiler + i'm going to skip going over the whole early shaky scum read on scib since that's already been covered and addressed pretty thoroughly. things that stood out to me: On November 20 2013 13:04 cDgCorazon wrote: Where in that post do I say he is claiming mason? I was making a comment on the possibility of there being a mason after thrawn's post. If it had said in the OP "no masons in this game", then wouldn't it be suspicious? You're grasping at straws here bro. The only thing I've seen from the early game is that you are looking pretty scummy right now. i think this post is really bad. i find it pretty odd that he finds it necessary to point out that scib is "piggy backing" on him and proceeds to waste an exchange with scib on whether they were in fact clarifying the same thing with thrawn. i find it hard to find a reason why townies would have this exchange or even care. who cares? he doesn't just mention this once. he argues the point SEVERAL times and is still bringing it up ages later (along with scib's bullshit page 1 "read") as the basis for his scum read: On November 21 2013 06:57 cDgCorazon wrote: This is a stupid read and smells of fake scum-hunting: This is the post where he basically copies me and then denies it: This is where he denies copying me and he twists my words to make it look like I already assumed they were masons: Rean+ Show Spoiler + wastes his first few posts just agreeing or clarifying things, and he's not even being useful in his clarifications. what i really don't like is that when i specifically call him out to pick his brain, he doesn't even give me *ANY* interpretation of what he thinks of the player. it's totally ambiguous. then, when Aqua calls him out, his answer is totally wishy washy and shady -- gives a town-read but 100% hedges it: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 13:04 Aquanim wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:55 Rean wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 12:52 Bereft wrote: Rean, what do you think of Mocsta thus far? Talks a lot, seems awfully certain of everything he says. @Rean Given this, which way are you leaning on Mocsta in terms of alignment?[/QUOTE] I'd say town, scum is typically more laidback. But could just be a good scumbag.[/QUOTE] i also find the interactions between cora and rean pretty weird and incongruous. even something small like cora calling rean out for asking for town reads i find a pretty weird point to common on -- the exchange is pointless as he doesn't draw any conclusion from it and just seems to be critiquing rean's play. what i also find noteworthy is that: (A) rean first FOS's sciberia when sciberia asks for his top scum read. (B) rean gives a soft defense of cora to moc (C) but then suddenly cora becomes a scum read and he says: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 15:56 Mocsta wrote: (A) Discredit me slightly - which is OK, the problem is the non-firm opinion on Corazon or Sciberbia (B) Subtlely sway convo to Aquanim - again this could be OK in isolation, but I dont like with (A) (C) Comment about lack of followup from 5 people. [/QUOTE] B and C are there as a reminder. Aquanim feels to me like he's getting by too comfortably, but for now its a small lean towards scum as opposed to Corazon/Scib feeling much more scummy to me. And I'm not discrediting you, I want to warn you not to tunnelvision. Tunnelvision impairs you from thinking logically and it's lost me games in the past because I was convinced I was right and tried to make everything seem as if I was. Maybe that's why I seem non-commital, I don't want to repeat the same mistake. You're right that C/S are acting dodgy but don't close your mind.[/QUOTE] BUT THEN!! after aqua votes for him, IN THE VERY NEXT POST: [QUOTE]On November 21 2013 03:04 Rean wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 16:42 Aquanim wrote: [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 16:08 Rean wrote: ... [QUOTE]On November 20 2013 15:57 Aquanim wrote: @Mocsta If Corazon and sciberbia are both scum, what was their motive for going after one another as they have so early? It's focused a lot of attention on the two of them, and I can't imagine that being what scum wants. @Rean Why do you want to see me in particular pressured?[/QUOTE] To me you look like you're in the position that if I were scum I'd love: sit back, ask some questions, give some non-commital opinions from time to time and earn easy town credit while not under any real pressure. So one of your questions back at you: if you had a vig shot that only hit scum, who would you aim it at right now and why?[/QUOTE] Probably you. I don't like how easily you swallowed Corazon's case on sciberbia, given that I felt it was sketchy at best. I also don't see any particular purpose behind your posting so far - you've offered some observations when prompted but I don't see you trying to get more information and learn more about the motivations of other players, besides some half-assed and half-hearted pressuring of myself (which you tried to prompt someone else to do). In fact, the more I think about your filter the less I like it. ##Vote: Rean I'd give some consideration to shooting Corazon but even if I was convinced he was scum I think I'd learn much more from lynching him than by simply shooting him. [/QUOTE] How unexpected. You're put under pressure and you instantly accuse me to try to prove me wrong about you, but 2 posts later you're already looking for arguments to back out of it like + Show Spoiler + On November 20 2013 16:48 Aquanim wrote: Short answer to Thrawn's case: I've been messing around a bit and not committing much because I'm concerned, having looked at the players who are yet to post, that if we present them with a fait accompli lynch on Corazon they'd just sheep and we'd learn nothing about them today. I figured that by holding off on my vote and being able to address them from a position of neutrality I might be able to get something out of them. Obviously this plan has backfired, but I figure if you're going to come after me that gives them an interesting choice to make so hopefully we'll still get something useful out of them. For the same reason, I voted Rean above for the purposes of running a second wagon and introducing a choice. I'd cheerfully vote Corazon as well, his failure to actually vote for sciberbia despite his constant accusations is pretty damning. This, combined with what Thrawn already said (not gonna waste time parroting), really gives me a bad feeling about you. Enough for a ##Vote: Aquanim[/QUOTE] i spent 10 mins trying to fix those quotes in the rean spoiler. i give up, sorry guys. going through aqua and onegu's filters now. | ||
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On November 21 2013 07:08 cDgCorazon wrote: I'm not entirely sure what I'm supposed to think of Bereft, other than the fact that he is lurking. I hate lurker lynches D1. I wonder if he will come back. If I may return the favor, how do you feel about LoneMeow? Would you place him on the same lurker level as Bereft? The one post I remember of his was not a very good one. also, phrasing on this stood out to me. think whatever you want! you're not obligated to feel any particular way about me. | ||
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On November 21 2013 03:10 Rean wrote: Forgot this: I do think Cora is acting scummy but when I see people making what I think is a mistake/wrong interpretation in their arguments I still feel the need to point it out. That isn't defending Cora, it's making sure the suspicion on him is valid and not there because of flawed arguments. i really don't like this. basically he's admitting to defending Cora even though he thinks Cora is scummy. why? because he believes Mocsta's thought process is flawed. if I think someone is scum and someone arrives to the same conclusion albeit a different method, i don't see the need to correct them. it's not like he says: "yo i think the way you arrived at your conclusion a bit weak, but i agree with the ultimate end conclusion that cora is scum". he says "Mocsta, good post by post analysis but I don't agree with it all. Your points on both Scib and Corazon make sense but I think you're falling into the "he must be scum so I'll try to interpret everything he says as scummy" trap a little with Cora." if anything, i analyze their case and see if it strengthens or invalidates my own read. ##Vote: Rean | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:11 cDgCorazon wrote: Bereft, I would like to know why you don't think we should lynch Onegu. I was really puzzled when you threw that read out (as were others) and I just want to know why you see Onegu in a good light. When you said you thought he was town I got this feeling that we weren't reading the same game. i like that he came into the thread with a bunch of off the cuff reads -- to me this reads as careless, unstructured, bold. On November 20 2013 20:28 Onegu wrote: Reans first post into the thread and it just fakes activity. He doesnt say what he agrees with and there are multiple things to agree with, does he agree with all or only some he, never actually says what points he agrees with. This is a very scummy first post. Also if mocsta didnt retract his post limit on himself I was going to call him scum, but he did and I am ok with it for now. I do want to point out he only takes it after cora points out his spam. But unlike cora I thought it was scummy, because it was a easy way to avoid conversation. The was one more post from mocsta I didnt like will find it in moment it was post 4or 5 where he gives 3 scum reads with no reason and then says half the thread hasnt posted so his reads can change. Coras case on Sciberia is terribad and scummy. Anyway rean is really scumm though. Sorry Im at the mall but when I am home I will catchup on both of my games and be up late playing. Ill be checking in periodicly while Im at the mall though. if he's scum, this is not at all a "safe" post to bust into the thread with. i think it's on point that he calls mocsta's thread presence out. i really want to believe moc is town, but i keep seeing small red flags embedded in his posts. he's the first person to really do this, and if scum, i think this is also pretty bold because mocsta's obviously an aggressive player. i was accused of being scum and attempting to disrupt a town circle for telling mocsta to explain himself. he gives me a very very slight town lean (exact phrasing "starting to look better") at a time when it's totally unnecessary to do so, considering everyone else would most likely have slotted me into the "lurker, null, need to hear more from" category if prodded. admittedly his last post is a jumbled mess and i have no idea what he's saying with this: Im going to go over your reads here and just ask you how you came to these because alot were null to me or the exact opposite of what you wrote so lets go. 1 hes trying to be clever there is nothing to be overdone and there is no way a troll post like this can be scummy, fuck the police was already taken... 2 why cant sciberia find the repeat and calling of you obv town scummy, but your troll post null as it was the first post in the thread? You getting that it is scum-scum interaction I dont understand how you get that read from this post. 3 how is this agressive, you put a pregame post restriction, then start the game numbering your posts, seems like you are going to keep your post restriction up. Calling you out for it isnt agressive its correct when all your first few posts are trolling. 4 this is fine 5 he made a troll response how is that overcompensated? Doesnt make sense and him not thinking the same as you is a scum read? 6 the first part of this is correct that post was null, the second part you can only get so much info from the first page and alot of page one was trolling. Telling someone to keep looking isnt scummy, its not damage control. 7 How is this a scumslip, 2 different people thought you were masons, I know you kinda think they are both scum at this point, but when you drop lines about being connected with thrawn people might think you are masoned, no way this is a scumslip. 8 again not a scumslip 9 reans first post is uber scummy. It fakes agreeing with coras null post, and then says nothing and there is no way he thinks he is saying something meaningful. 10 iirc you had already said you werent masons so he says the only other option how is that townie? 12 meh ok 12b also fine 13 you do the samething later on when you talking about haveing such a good town atmospher so how can you give him scum points for this? 14 syas nothing why you post this, I dont know his meta so this poat means nothing... 15 still dont know how you are seeing scum scum intreactions here. Maybe you are just tunneled at this point. Also at this point you say you like aqua calling out rean. 16 again why post a completely null post? 17 This is fine, but you are like he agrees with me that mean hes awesome town 18 this has been talked about already, why are you so tunneled on scum-scum here doesnt make since. 19 the post is good that means the timeing is fine also, even if I am argueing with someone and I see something that needs questioned I will question it reguardless of what else is going on 20 admit to being tunneled 21 this is fine 22 tunneled 23 meh no point in continueing on with cora, him moveing on is fine and how he did it was fine. 24 really wishywashy post but also slightly dinstanceing himself from rean while giveing him a town read at the same time. I think this is really scummy from you mocsta. Your thoughts on rean is just really odd. but i do think it's a very strong point in his favor that his posts are coming off as being written with a lack of care as to how they'd be perceived. | ||
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On November 21 2013 13:19 raynpelikoneet wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Bereft You stated Onegu is your town read. You filter four guys. Three which are your scumreads, and Onegu, your town read. That makes no sense given you have null-reads you should be filtering over your townreads in case you are trying to find scum. You are just following thread sentiment and it makes no sense. In fact you never even filter Aqua and Onegu after promising to do so. it was preemptive, because i know that's the read people want explained -- mocsta already explicitly asked for my rationale as to why onegu's my town read and cora has just done the same. i gave him a town read based on a gut read which i read from my phone. if i instinctively think someone's post reads town and my strong town reads think he's scummy, why would that not warrant a reread, especially when i know mocsta's already expecting an analysis breakdown? | ||
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i don't see a situation where a majority of the people here would prefer to lynch lonemeow or mocsta over rean, cora, or aqua. do you disagree? if i find 3 people scummy, should i not be analyzing the one i would most prefer to lynch? also FWIW i have looked at aqua's filter and my gut read has been dampened somewhat. right now i'm still thinking about it, but if you want me to bang out some half baked thoughts to "meet expectations" i will be happy to accommodate. | ||
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