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Pandain
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On September 02 2013 00:27 kitaman27 wrote: The Panda has returned :o :D | ||
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Alot of what I was going to say was already said by WoS Old Panther, however I have some comments to them. VA seems town due to the fact he's actively moving the thread forward for a long time. GK seems town(recognizing the one argument was silly and a distraction) I agree with OP's catch on SnB reading up on Papasmurf coaching meaning that snb is probably town. Means he's already investigating outside and looking into matters, which maybe I'm wrong but I don't think is a mafia move. Papa_Smurf, you asked others to not spam, but spam isn't just useless content, it's a bunch of small thoughts spread out across many posts. Consolidate your thoughts please for the sake of the thread. Zealos seems town because if someone else was Isaac(who is very likely to be a character due to the fact he's the main party leader in the original GS, thanks Wikipedia!), then he would get counterclaimed. And Isaac isn't evil. I don't know if it's forbidden to reason like this, based on character names, but that's what I got. Honestly not sure about OP's alignment. People who make posts like that are usually from my experience really really really good, and that means they can do anything. Main thing to keep out for is what OP actually does in the game, not what he just says. I am getting a bad read on Grackaroni due to the fact he's being very moderate in his opinions, always saying "in my opinion, I feel", trying to defend himself rather than offer actual opinions, or he's just spamming. Not sure if Scum though. Also to put it bluntly I'm going to lynch kushm4sta unless he stops posting like shit. Also he's being pretty crude(like crude troll), and I really don't appreciate it. He'll be useless to the thread basically, and with more posts I see while writing this he has ignored OP's plea to stop spamming, showing he won't listen. I agree though that lurkers should be incredibly suspicious, there are five of them in Onegu, blubdavid,raynpelikoneet, Sn0_Man, and Zealos. | ||
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Zealos's post doesn't mean anything I think; I think he was referring to his name in the mythical realm known as real life. Wouldn't make sense otherwise. Also kush I'll probably change from you, I was once the huge spammer too. I'll just ask you to step it up. | ||
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On September 12 2013 14:47 Papa_Smurf wrote: I disagree with the SnB being town read just because he saw my smurf signed up as coach. If you call him town, call him town by his in game play Like, as a player in the forum, its not like he was researching me and that's how he found me signed up as coach, it was a completely different circumstance. And to say "oh you must be smurf because of that", when my name is papa smurf is no new knowledge I don't know any time you offer new information like that, it strikes me as town. Mafia usually repeats information, or if they do make a case it's usually contrived and forced to find some sort of an opinion. Also Grack you seem to have heavily misinterpeted my post, which is okay. I'll explain now. You were being pretty hesitant in sharing your opinions early on in that you were always open to being convinced otherwise; this contrasts with your play now. I don't think your scum at the moment, though if Kush were to be found mafia I would have to re-evaluate it. Also I didn't advocate we lynch you to being bad as I don't think you're bad. Furthermore I didn't have a good enough read yet. I do, however, advocate kush for being pretty unproductive. It's a bad move to try and lynch someone who we think might be scummy day one. These never turn out to be actually scum, instead it's just a townie who put his neck too far in. Going to quickly quote this. On September 12 2013 16:08 Grackaroni wrote: Lets get real, Kush playing anti-town is nothing new from him. He does it as both alignments. If he doesn't start contributing, we vig him and we move on. Lynches should be used on players we can actually analyze. So let's get him out of the way and not have to worry about him later and possibly waste a lynch on him. Let's use the auto-unsure day 1 lynch to deal with him. Furthermore, vig's shouldn't be used so early and they shouldn't be used in situations like that; instead they should be used in the late-game to help avoid LYLO situations. Furthermore, I later realized Zealos was just talking about his name, and therefore he's still open to suspicion. Even before that, it didn't change the fact he was lurking and therefore inherently suspicious. Please try to convince me otherwise if you believe lurking is town-friendly. It's also bad policy to lynch OP, people like him will share their opinions and will be easy to analyze. Getting rid of someone like Kush who will be hard to analyze is a superior option. Please let me know if you're confused. Zealos strikes me as red too; isn't contributing except generic posts. Not advocating anything, not putting himself out there. Isn't playing like a blue most importantly, and he seems more red than green. Grack seems town now, pretty pro-active and bent on trying to lynch me. Koshi I'm going to suggest to you to not look just at arguments but why people post them and possible motivations. Someone you think is antitown, or makes an anti-town post, could in reality simply be a townie who made a point you either disagree with or they didn't fully understand at the time. Grack thinks blub is scummy at its core because he makes points Grack disagrees with, which isn't a good argument. To me blub is slightly suspicious, but only at a gut feeling I can't really explain with. Not nearly enough to lynch, and doubt anyone can truly make a case and say they are more than 60% certain. On September 13 2013 02:39 blubbdavid wrote: Heh, even Panda is misreading his own post. Nope I also feel like I'm the only voice of reason sometimes, but Vayne and Ryan and Panther make good insights sometimes. | ||
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Ever since I called him out, and more interestingly since I said I would probably change my vote on him, he has stopped spamming but also stopped contributing. More trying to survive than anything else, and more waiting for a lynch on him to go away. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:27 Sn0_Man wrote: whos panther? Oops, Partner. Instinctively thought Old Panther sounded cooler. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:31 Koshi wrote: Panda his first post was bad. Last one a bit better but mehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. OP will come back and dazzle you guys. Both posts were good, make a single argument otherwise. You just chose not to see the points. On September 13 2013 04:31 Sn0_Man wrote: Alright, Panda managed to reveal that he's trying to find blue players, that he wants today's lynch to not be aiming for scum, that trying to lynch him "seems townie", and that the only reasoning against blubbers is "gut". Anybody see anything remotely townie in there? Everyone should look for blue players as you want to try and identify them vs greens vs reds. I want a lynch to either be clearly scum or failing that lynching someone proven to be chronically anti-town regardless of alignment, who will distract us later on. I gave you a hint of what I was feeling about blubbers, but it's not strong at all at the moment and not worthy of consideration but wanted to share my opinion on him as it related to the topic I was discussing. Not dealing with shit anymore until I have to leave, get ready everyone. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:36 Sn0_Man wrote: Vayne why are you hard-defending all the scummers? You can't say for certainty anyone is scum, especially now, so don't make generalizations like this, and they aren't productive at all. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Pandain: Who do you think is scummiest atm? Why? Honestly I'm too busy to really make a good case, I am leaving in an hour to go practice for improvisational comedy. My main point for today is that there is no one who I would say is more likely than 30% scum, and therefore we should have other priorities than trying to lynch the "scummiest" person, who any reasoning on day 1 would be based more on wifom or poor confusion between what is anti-town and what is scum. However to satisfy your question on what I believe now, it is: 1. Onegus -Even if you have to rely on friend internet access, it doesn't justify no posting. Furthermore he was still posting in other threads about two hours before he said that. (So seems to me like he's trying to get a free excuse to lurk and not be judged, rather than an actual "sorry i can't post" post) 2. Blub -Poor reasoning in general, general contribution and not specific. Bad responses to questioning. Can't point out specifics at the moment as I want to respond to you guys and help you. I also note no one actually responds to my content which is kick-ass for the most part but you guys ignore it with bad reasoning. Not all of you of course, and maybe I'm just frustrated. | ||
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On September 13 2013 04:52 Koshi wrote: Also, everything Pandain says about Zealous is strange. post 1) Zealous is main character so without counterclaim he is town. post 2) So in his first post the name "Isaac" was enough for a townread. And then in his second post the name isn't enough? Dnu. No, none of it is strange and all of it is good. As I said I don't really have time to make my posts super eloquent, but I'll explain this post. This is a themed game of Golden Sun, and it is 99% certain that Isaac THE MAIN CHARACTER OF THE SERIES/FIRST GAME is one of the people, ESPECIALLY since the first day post said its up to ISAAC AND HIS FRIENDS TO STOP THE MAFIA. So Isaac claim = auto town. Too dangerous for mafia to fake claim, since there has to be a real Isaac given the OP description. I then later realized Zealous wasn't talking about his role PM, but instead that his real name was Isaac, so I realized it meant nothing. Understand? | ||
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Note his strange absence since he's been called out, and how that isn't explained by other factors. It can however be indicative of trying to wave the bandwagon. He may seem an easy lynch, I agree, but it's because it's a good lynch, and I think further upholstered by the fact that there is actually no bandwagon on him at the moment. The logic above I don't think is that particularly strong, but it is stronger than anything else I've seen, and town won't have to waste a vig shot on him later or inevitably lynch him later(as mafia, if he's town, certainly won't shoot him.) It's in best interest of town from all perspectives. | ||
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Also I think most active pressure is townie especially day 1. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: No, everyone should bluehunt as town. It's beneficial when people claim, you are able to distinguish blues from reds. Not open analysis though please don't make lists. | ||
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On September 13 2013 05:56 kushm4sta wrote: WOW i haven't even finished reading the thread yet, but this shit coming from pandain about Isaac and what not is complete and utter garbage. IT SAYS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING ABOUT HIS ROLE.... Scum were given fake claims... i know this for a fact because I asked about it. That's a pretty weird thing to ask, a weird thing to hound on since I pointed out it didn't even matter and wasn't even a major part of my post, wouldn't deserve that reaction as well. | ||
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