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However Pharcyd3 also jumped on me with 1 post, 1 line, calling me out and then leaving the thread. At least equally scummy to my opening post, even more so that he just followed Umasi. There need to come more indeed. Lord Velocity, I don't have to quote here much as every post says: he doesn't like to get attention and tries to behave neutral / hide Holyflare is just doing his thing, posting much, but the content is mostly contentless. As he said himself, he is holding back his informations. Blurry good townread opening posts, focussing on the discussion. Chairman Ray, suspicious, or just weird? Has everyone got their QT yet? You should have received one by now. Killerdog, started out with a strong town post, but then just keept summing Umasi's and Holyf.'s conversation up. I want to have more than you just repeating and summing up the last 5 posts. most Scum: Lord Velocity, Pharcyd3, Chairman Ray, Holyflare (until he stops holding back, which I assume will be on day 1, then we'll see.) most Town: Blurry, Killerdog, Umasi | ||
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Infis from what I' ve read last game, and from what he said pre game hasn't have much time but will must likly come out with a huge post at one point. Not sure how I can judge that then. myrzeth hasn't said a single thing besides /in. I would like to hear more from you, LoneMeow, what do you think about the remaining players, aside of Umasi / Holyf. | ||
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That's more town than the most right now. Yes it could be fake, but in my book his action are town. | ||
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I agree with you too, we should hear more opinions. | ||
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Umasis orignional opinion about me was : heavenz post was 'this is what I think and why' and then 'why' is really iffy, but at least he's willing to tell us what he thinks. then come Holyf. made me suspicious because I have him on my scum list but didn't press on. My answere to that is that you're a) an active player b) you said you kept your reads to yourself for a given while perhaps that was scum tactics to delay anything, but it sounded reasonable to me. I was just cuirous to see your reads on players, but I was expecting you to post them without me having to press them out of you (I am not sure I know how that works lol). Then you press on about my idle posts, that they are non-contributary. I don't know how you value contribuatry in this game, so I can't say anything to that. I was writing down what I thought in that moment, because it seems in my timezone was nothing happening. What is interesting is however is that usami jumps on your post regarding me, on brings it one step further and immidiatly votes me, regardless of me having sleeping at that time and no news. It smells like a follow move, have you finally established total dominance? As is, I gut lean towards heavenz, but I think both infii and heavenz are reasonable lynch choices. He's falling in love with your analysis. We have to give credit were credit is due, you weren't the first to go on me, his gut feeling can be explained as such: Heavens, that post is worthless. Absolutely irrelevant. Said nothing. Role playing is something I am increasingly losing patience for. At least pretend to have read the discussion. Holy flare is wrong but townie, null on info, ray is scummy, heavens is scummiest, blurry is null. Heavens is scummiest for his entrance True though is that the most charismatic player (Holyf) and the most aggressive player (Umasi) seem to dislike I. So how can I defend my entrance post, it's not possible anymore, it was written. I adore roleplaying, and was surprise how I was shut down... we are agents after all, are we not... wtf. what ever. ok continue with Bereft jumping following umasi on me, and make me look suspicious for a) calling out the weird ray QT post (a) i called ray out for that comment ages ago and I saw that you asked, but I didn't really understand what it meant, so I hoped for a better explanation. b) you provided thoughts on basically EVERY SINGLE POSTER last night save for me. hurts my feelings bro. the truth is, you're to complex for me to understand. + Show Spoiler + @holyflare - agreed that meta has its merits, especially in a newbie game. i think that newbies' meta could be easier to discern vs. vets because we aren't as self-aware in our game play. what i do find interesting is that per your comments, i went back to browse past games, and in the last game you were in, like the very first post i see you make right out of the gate advocates lynching all liars and lurkers. mind explaining the sudden change of heart? why initiate this topic of conversation? sure, you could argue about the "math" of not lynching, but while this ultimately comes down to a game about numbers (like survivor!) your speculation about the math of it all seems pointless to me, because how do you quantify something like the present value of future clues? the cost of inaction? etc etc. i like blurry's idea. it's a bit early for me to have much of an opinion, but why not: on the town-dar: umasi - a bit rude perhaps, but not afraid to tread on toes and call shit out. on the scum-dar: don't wanna seem like i'm just following you, but i gotta say lord velocity too. while my first instinct was also to be suspicious of holyflare for advocating no lynch, i think LV was a bit quick to FOS holyflare with a 1-liner just for that. because i could see several reasons why scum would prefer a lynch day 1. if anything they might even think they stand to gain more by lynching day 1 vs no lynch unless they're incredibly risk averse lol. I don't understand anything. + Show Spoiler + On September 04 2013 12:08 Holyflare wrote: That being said I'm not telling you my scum reads or especially my town reads at this moment in time. hahaha ok dude, we'll try our best to survive the night without your brilliant insights. can't promise that we will though. it's not in our hands. (yours...maybe?) This was not my reacting, even though I posted in the same way as you. I expected Holyf. to give reads before the night. + Show Spoiler + hm. well. if we're just going to chat and make small talk ... i have to admit i'm no longer browsing that other newbie game for "meta" -- but for pure lulz. Alakaslam and iVLosK! sooo good. so many gems. i'd probably have kept alakaslam alive just for the banter. hahah but seriously if we're just going to talk about inconsequential shit, what's the point? also infii, killerdog, myrzeth, pharcyd3, where you guys at? Some "meta" stuff I don't understand. Calling out afk's, reasonable. At write a 1 or 2 liner to everyplayer, without any actualy content or further explanations. I can come to a conclusion, to me, all you've done is provide a vague summary of everyone's comments with light FOS on a few players. i appreciate the sentiment if it's genuine, but this really does not sum up as a pro-town post to me. likewise. Regarding Lord Velocity I will say this, Umasi seems to belive he's town, and interpreting every word he says as a town newby mistake. In fact Lord Velocity seems to panic under pressure but bold after he felt Umasi shielding him. This could mean some things, either Lord Velocity is playing a wicked sick good noob, or he indeed is a town that can't deal with pressure for what eer reasons. We will see. (Lord V don't take this post attack right now :D, at the moment I am almost convinced, that edit thing was way over the top lol). Regarding Holyf. I am actually dissapointed by his analysis. He was given time without pressure, and all he comes up with is heavenz ain't much town coz his idle post sucks. Deep man. You have some backstory on Infis we couldn't know and you play it out. Regarding Infis it's hard to have a opinion, coz his town play is very casual, I appreciate your efford to suspect him, as I appreciate your efford to suspect me, but I am still hoping for more. I wrote you as scum because I don't see the purpose of most of your post yesterday. You were arguing about things I don't acknowldge as relating to the game, and give some smartass advice. Yes you played before, I get it. you posted too much, but your typical day1 post looked like this + Show Spoiler + Also, I never said not to talk about scum reads, just how can you possibly formulate a case on somebody so quickly????? If you want to accuse someone of being scum why would you publicly announce it SO early with the offchance that they could 180 on their whole style of writing because you picked out their name. Why not keep it to yourself and formulate the case based on your initial suspicions and when it comes close to actually lynching someone you'd have substantial reasoning for a lynch rather than, 'oh his first post was scummy but then he became better'... As for questions towards you, I asked for you to elaborate first before I asked the questions but now you've mimicked other peoples responses because you were away so I don't need to ask the questions anymore. glad you changed your mind. + Show Spoiler + I find it ridiculous that people can post pages about lurker lynching, their ideas on what people are doing that is town and not town but when I post it then what? It's "let's stop talking about policy bla bla"..... calm down, i'm redirecting conversation to more applicable topics rather than what is going on which is a lot more helpful than shitting all over the post. policies... what the fuck then comes your 1 post, the one single post that has actual (this) game concerning content, in which you finally give some of your long waited reads. You come up with your background story on infi which makes him look more scummy and that regard me, that is all? You're trying to establish a pole position in this town without *actually* giving much? I think you're underestimating noobs,.. or not. I'll keep an eye on you. | ||
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regarding blurry + Show Spoiler + I agree we should try and lynch day 1, but we need to do so intelligently based on pressuring information out of players allegiances. The thing you should do as town is try and post as actively as possible, but avoid any fluff. If you can't figure out who look scummy figure out who looks like a town player. You enter the discussion with the pro lynch opinion, and generally a decent townopinon. + Show Spoiler + This discussion is pretty slow so how about this. Everyone answer the following questions. Who is your strongest town read? Who is your strongest scum read? This will let us see where peoples allegiances lie. Also, give reasons for your choices. Strongest town read: Holyflare, active, trying to provide analysis Strongest scum read: Lord Velocity, hes just following along with Umasi's ideas, not really providing any of his own stuff. later you try to get more people involved by asking for reads, and giving some ok reads, at that point in time was even less than now. You later goes into discussion about reading and writing with Lord Velocity, it has been said. And your last post is this. + Show Spoiler + While I agree that he (myrzeth) isn't worth keeping around it may just be a waste of a vote to lynch him today. I'm assuming that the mafia has a QT which they can use during the day? If that is the case, if he really was just a lurking mafia his buddies would have given him stuff to say in order to save him. ]I just don't think there is enough to go on piling on the easiest target because he is just a lurker, and it may very well be that a lot of the pressure on him is coming from mafia themselves. Be careful in voting for him because he is the easiest target for mafia to get a mislynch right now compared to anyone else. So much for the summarization. You're a player that's showing no edges, and behave on neutral ground. You picked on Velocity, who played the nooby card as hard as possible peaking in editing. It has been said, there is no opinion about him right or wrong. You show the most pro town opinions possible (safe lynch ftw!), and keep yourself covered. I attack that you have not said much that can be attacked. You say you don't want myrezth to die, but voice no opinion who should die instead. You play like a survivor, not like a town. | ||
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On September 06 2013 05:35 Lord Velocity wrote: Has nobody honestly noticed how sketchy bereft is? Like nobody has noticed anybody except me and myRZ but our tunnel shouldn't still be on us in general, like we know people don't like me, we know they don't like MyRz, open it up a bit and read like what bereft has said or what killer has said. I will have longer posts in like 2 hours, have to take the bus home you are not reading careful enough, please read my post regarding him. I went about every post he went (if you filter me the longest one). What you are saying is also not true, my last post was regarding blurry. I don't know why you speak in such absolutes, do you blend out everything you don't want to see? | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:00 Chairman Ray wrote: I have concluded that HolyFlare and Umasi are both town, and I am about 95% sure of it. No, just no. No. fucking no. Either God, hack or mafia. Yes they act like town, that doesn't mean that they are truly for 95% town, yes the % are in the favor of town, that doesn't mean you can be that sure that 1 person is town, especially non as experienced and witty as those. Sorry I can't get over this. If they are going to lead town you have to be extra cirtical of them, don't just bless everything they say with yeah they'll 95% be town. Man. | ||
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Ofcourse I would rather vote mafia on day1 but unless I have some sort of understanding a better bet, I go with myrezth. LV is a curious case, he loves umasi / holyf. and ignores everything what everyone else says and just tries to impress them. Chairman I kinda like your work or idea you had, and I am can't agree at the moment with holyf.'s case on you. Bereft and Blurry are both equally neutral, Blurry even acknowledged his neutrality, but tried to satisfy me by agree with me. No bro. I have not come to a conclusion yet, damn my mind. | ||
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he's a worse version of myRZeth. Everything you do is so smothe, totally neutral. You're not giving in anywhere, dispite, I belive you could. You acknowldge your neutrality and think you can just pass by it. A little suspecious on VL there, but not commiting (lol just by what he's writing he's suspicious as f´´k). I don't trust you, and I value Rays's work more. I have made a longer case where I went through your posts before. | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:47 Lord Velocity wrote: Well kill me then if you feel I'm the scummiest, but notice how dumb you will feel after I flip in the morning just out of curiousity, how old are you? | ||
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On September 06 2013 06:49 Umasi wrote: that is SO retarded to say heavenz, I do not see the comparison between blurry and myrzeth It's not hard to see, both try to accomplish the same thing: staying undercover. mrzeth used the way that works in sc2 mafia and Blurry tries to use a way that feints townmanship in this game. Just look at his posts, am I the only one seeing this? Ray makes spectacular moves and get's voted on (mind after he got voted on he makes such!) Blurry just "yeah I am neutral, what ya gonna do bout it". It's my first game, but this seems to me very suspecious, he made not a single case against someone he just wants to slip by, my feeling this indicates mafia closeness. I hate follow a leader lol. Holyf. yeah, explain this ray thing to me. | ||
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##unvote ##vote myrezth I just wanted to have stated my seriousness on you blurry. | ||
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Things to consider: Holyf. case on Ray, Infi's case, Voting behavior, There is one thing I didn't realize in the situation: In fact ray should be another one on this list even but I'll post that a bit later, these are the candidates I'd rather focus on for now. Holyf.'s endnote in the post where he makes a case vs infi and me. As for my pressure on infii and heavenz I think they have cleaned up their acts reasonably well and so my only other candidate that would be viable is ray. However, I am more than comfortable lynching lurkers over him. In another post. Obviously Holyf. had Ray on his suspicious list for a long time. But he didn't not make a post against him or pressure him until the very end of day1. This his Holyf. case against Ray + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler + These 3 posts are all talking about no-lynching. This is fair enough seeing as the topic at the time was that, however, the third post was after the whole conversation had ended and infii had posted this post: + Show Spoiler + Notice how of all the information infii was pointing out chairman ray had only mentioned the stuff about him, nothing of noteworthy. He didn't even contribute to anything that anybody had said, he just rehashed the dead conversation. While, yes, his posts had a flavour of townsmanship at first, this defensive nature and the contentless posting made me suspicious of him. To insinuate further confusion he posted this: + Show Spoiler + What better way to confuse townies than put them against each other? Stating that one of them is mafia and one of them is town is planting the seed for later when people get confused and re-read these things. Not to mention his 'scum' reads that come later are just as lackluster (will post that bit further down). The conversation had already stopped between me and umasi and then it was brought up again with possibilities. He states that a mafia strategy can be to divert attention to their argument and stifle the town but that whoever gets killed or lynched will reveal the alignment of the other. That is not true either, nothing can be sought at from those posts as they were merely a heated discussion about policies etc. This is where it gets the most scum like. READ THIS ABOVE ALL ELSE. Who was his previous post about? Me and Umasi. Who did he say not to lynch day 1 because it would be a mistake? Me and Umasi. Who is his scum read on? + Show Spoiler + Me and Umasi. lol? It isn't even a scum read or anything it just states the same thing as his last post. That we could be both town both mafia or one of each, that's just nothing of value. Not to mention the rest of his posts. + Show Spoiler + He jumps right on top of velocity and hasn't unvoted him since. With no new information at all. That is why instead of voting out the lurker who may just be total crap to begin with I think this is a bigger scum tell for me so; ##Unvote ##Vote: Chairman Ray Summary in my words. Holyf. points out the discrepantcy in Ray words, where first he stats the opinion that lynching on day1 can be a mistake three times, and then states in a complex "what if" his thoughts about umasi and holyf. His (Ray) post about Umasi and Holyf discussion I will give my first set of reads. When HolyFlare said that he was withholding his reads, he dug himself an obligation. By the end of this day, he must make a play justifying that he withheld his reads with good reason, or else he's mafia. If we see his posts and decide that there's no reason why he didn't give his reads in the first place, I think he's a good mafia candidate. When you started attacking HolyFlare and threw in a vote, I don't think at that point there was any good indication that HolyFlare is mafia. I think that either both of you are mafia, in which case the discourse was counterproductive for town because you misled everyone, or you are town, in which case you were both pressuring HolyFlare and seeing who would ride the lynch train. This gives me a reason to ease up on the possibility that you are mafia and HolyFlare is town. So what we see this post from Ray, Holyf. says that this is nothing of value. Ray attacks Holyf. with his words/english (I am not native, I wouldn't say things in such a complicated way). Holyf. notes it but doesn't amplify on it until the very end. He might have truthfully thought that Ray was scum, even more so than he thought about infi's and me (and only sidenoted him as scum, while we got the cases), and that's why he didn't make a case against him earlier but in last second to set him under way higher pressure. ---- I must admit that in the last time before the vote I didn't see things like that. Mostly with the death of Blurry I realize how easy it is to make a wrong judgement, and stand there like a stupid lol. I suspected too many players and trusted no one, but the chances that someone is town are still higher than beeing mafia, we are more after all. Holyf. made a case against someone and made it went with it balls deep, that this person slipped town almost makes him more town to me that if it had been scum. His reasoning wasn't just a short burst and sudden idea like I thought at first. What makes me curious however that he seems to list those players the highest on suspicion who suspect / doubt him, namly Ray, Infis, Me. Please answere me on this Holyf. Infi In general if he would post three times more I would straight up say town, I am d'accore with his reasoning. Here's his last post regarding the Ray case The case brought up by holyflare against ray was pretty weak. But somehow people still swallowed that pill. I will not have enough time to fully analyze what went on, but here is my gut feeling: Holy tried to save myrzeth by leading town on another weak target. Of course we will find all of scum between the people that voted for ray because the vote was so close. Eventually all of scum hopped on to ray to secure a miss-lynch. I have come to a somewhat different conclusion, I ask you please give your thoughts about it too. I have the overall feeling that we are town led by scum because of the chaotic back and forth of discussions, random accusations and fake aggressiveness. Everyone needs to focus on the facts at hand and not let himself be guided by lurish arguments Alright, please don't be afk then and show us the "facts at hand". I have no existent scum list at the moment, and my judgment will on infis will wait for: Same here, except this is my last chance to post before night ends so I'm forced to do this now. But I will iterate on it more when day comes. (if I survive the night) Well voting behavior is kinda core :D But it's a big topic, so I will delay this for now Further things I plan to write on in the future: Umasi (omg, what a topic...) and Blurry's death. I think today is the time for working to togehter and getting clues and not the time for suspicious. | ||
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