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LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 06 2013 06:30 GMT
#59
/in
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 14 2013 19:32 GMT
#168
Better this way than having the game ruined by modkills, I suppose.

Are the non-newbie games as bad when it comes to signing up and then not actually playing?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 15 2013 05:22 GMT
#183
On August 15 2013 13:57 cDgCorazon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 15 2013 13:38 Alakaslam wrote:
hola que tal

I have responded. I am sorry there weren't enough true newbies. . .

Alakaslam is our last player. Game will start at the deadline August 15th.


Ouch, my brain hurts in advance for having to try to figure him out...
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 15 2013 18:57 GMT
#198
On August 16 2013 03:53 Holyflare wrote:
Let's get this thing going


Yes, let's do that. How about some policy talk to start with, what do you think about "lynch all liars" policy?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 15 2013 19:51 GMT
#202
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 15 2013 19:58 GMT
#205
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 15 2013 20:26 GMT
#212
On August 16 2013 05:23 DeusXmachina wrote:
Analyzing peoples previous games to determine their role this game, good or bad in newbie?


Major changes in style might warrant a closer look, but I wouldn't really use meta in a case against someone.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 04:59 GMT
#230
On August 16 2013 12:20 Alakaslam wrote:
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On August 16 2013 12:03 Squibbles wrote:
Right? Odd. Backtrackin a bit for Policy, even if you wanted to lynch lurkers, liars, and those who post pointless stuff, should there be a level at which the lynch begins. For example yalls version of Lurking could be completely different from each other, where one might thinking lurking is more than 12 hours another might think a day.... We should establish some context, As far as lying, in any sense what if they are lying because they are unsure about you? Wouldnt that make you both the suspects vs just the person that lied, i think depending on the question there should be a level limit there, and those who post pointless stuff, well if you're dodging a question, you're dodging a question, enough said.

From what I have seen any longer than 8 hours is definitely pushing it.


Wow, that's harsh. I guess you don't like sleeping in very much?-)

Personally, I think any hard deadline is a bit pointless and likely leads to zero content "I'm still here!" posts. In fact, I don't care so much at all about the post counts, it's the amount of content that really matters.

On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT.


Oh, that's interesting, I'd like to hear your reasoning.

Personally, I'm pretty much null on everyone but slightly wary of iVLosK! - while his "policy" about posting obvious stuff indeed makes a bit of sense in late game it felt like he was trying to stifle what little conversation we were trying to get going at that point, which isn't very pro-town. I have a tendency of misreading players like him though, so I have to tread carefully here.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 05:08 GMT
#232
On August 16 2013 14:02 Alakaslam wrote:
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On August 16 2013 13:05 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 12:56 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 05:14 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:58 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:54 DeusXmachina wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:51 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 04:46 DeusXmachina wrote:
Liars? Highly unlikely that you would every catch scum lying. Lynch lurkers over liars.


But is there any reason for town to lie? So in the unlikely situation that you DO catch someone lying, you'd still rather lynch a lurker?


If town is lying why would we want to lynch them? Like I said, you probably won't catch scum lying. Lying won't really tell you much. Lurkers > Liars.


Obviously lynching confirmed town because of a lie would be silly, but what about someone most have a weak scum read (or even null) on who's caught lying? Still prefer a lurker lynch over him?

While we're on the topic of lurking, do you think there's any real difference between lurking and posting but being useless? Would you (policy) lynch someone who posts but doesn't have any real content?


If you have a weak scum read on someone and they lie, well that might be evidence against them. I would try to understand the intentions behind the lie. Not crazy about the lynch liars policy.

I don't know how to define lurking, but people who are being useless are equally as bad as lurkers. In fact, in some situations, I think spammers can be more detrimental to town than lurkers. I equate non-contribution to scum. I am glad you brought this up. I was thinking about this a lot in my last game.

On August 16 2013 05:04 iVLosK! wrote:
Yeah lynch all liars and no lurking! And anything else that sounds pro-town! C'mon guys. No fucking duh. I have a policy of lynching people who say stupid, obvious shit. What do you think of them apples, flare, deus, and LM?


Well this is a newb game. Hopefully players can read some of the initial policy and learn what not to do. Lynching people who say stupid stuff got me into a lot of shit my last game. That being said, I am all for aggressive play and doing whatever it takes to weed out scum.


Actually it was lynching the spammer- many of the things I said were trying to express my opinions, spamming was me trying to dick around. I promise not to do that anymore except maybe in spoilers if I can't help it.

Therefore I am really glad you laid this out. There may be people like me who just get the juices flowing and go nuts, they will disregard you until they are the scummy one tunneling the wrong guy at Lylo- then they will have to fight not to become stimaddict 2.0, (sorry bout that but u know its true ing one) so like I say- rock and a hard place with "don't spam don't lurk" for me- so gimme a little grace and I will try to help out. For now, I have this:
Ivlosk! - town, he is bamcis for lookin so, especially so early, therefore keep an eye out for even more badass scum play later if I am wrong (and I am wrong often...)
HolyFlare- kinda early. I'm null, in fact, I'm null on everyone but ivlosk! and myself. It's pretty early guys.

"Speak up!" -Seige Tank Driver (selected, Starcraft 2)

Fellows, pleeeze!!


Okay, sounds good. Biggest scum reads so far, Xzavier and reps. Lol at reps if he becomes a day 1 lynch again. Why am I suspicious? Well, they are lurking, and as I previously mentioned, lurking will not be tolerated. Pretty much neutral on everyone. Although, I am leaning slightly town on JAT.

Careful of posting pseudo lurker lists... Look. That is the easies thing for scum to do to try and look town, 1, and 2, if we have vigs, they can shoot into lurkers and we lynch other lurkers till there are none. So it is established that you can't lurk and get by this game. Stating their scumminess other than to explain a vote on them is now irrelevant, lets stick to discussion about actives. Then, before the deadline (close as you can get) vote for a lurker or someone you find scummy- who may have more of a chance turning out to be scum than someone who wanted blue or irl'ed or whatever causes people to do this stuff.


By the way, we don't have vigs. Read the game setup. Your point is valid though, discussing lurkers (especially this early) is pretty pointless.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 05:49 GMT
#236
On August 16 2013 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On iVLosk!- you don't know him, he's like that. He doesn't put up with BS. He is not actually a newb, this is like running into Plexa on some forum he has yet to visit- he looks new but he is an Internet veteran. iVLosk! Is a skilled player and I would hate to lose him as town.


I actually do somewhat know his style, we were both in a game with him earlier, and that's why I said I need to be careful on how I read him, since he's a likely misread for me.

Since it seems to be just you and me here, let's talk about something. Your thoughts on Squibbles' first post?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 06:11 GMT
#243
On August 16 2013 14:55 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 14:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On iVLosk!- you don't know him, he's like that. He doesn't put up with BS. He is not actually a newb, this is like running into Plexa on some forum he has yet to visit- he looks new but he is an Internet veteran. iVLosk! Is a skilled player and I would hate to lose him as town.


I actually do somewhat know his style, we were both in a game with him earlier, and that's why I said I need to be careful on how I read him, since he's a likely misread for me.

Since it seems to be just you and me here, let's talk about something. Your thoughts on Squibbles' first post?

Can you be a little more specific? I thought I addressed it right after it, above my Chloe post...


You addressed the content itself, but I was more curious of your thoughts of it as a first post. Did it seem like the way a town player would enter the game?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 06:12 GMT
#247
On August 16 2013 15:10 DeusXmachina wrote:
WIFOM = wine in front of me right?
FoS = ?
Is there a list of this shit I can look at?


Mafiascum wiki is the usual place to look for me.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 06:26 GMT
#252
On August 16 2013 15:16 Alakaslam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2013 15:11 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:55 Alakaslam wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:49 LoneMeow wrote:
On August 16 2013 14:13 Alakaslam wrote:
On iVLosk!- you don't know him, he's like that. He doesn't put up with BS. He is not actually a newb, this is like running into Plexa on some forum he has yet to visit- he looks new but he is an Internet veteran. iVLosk! Is a skilled player and I would hate to lose him as town.


I actually do somewhat know his style, we were both in a game with him earlier, and that's why I said I need to be careful on how I read him, since he's a likely misread for me.

Since it seems to be just you and me here, let's talk about something. Your thoughts on Squibbles' first post?

Can you be a little more specific? I thought I addressed it right after it, above my Chloe post...


You addressed the content itself, but I was more curious of your thoughts of it as a first post. Did it seem like the way a town player would enter the game?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=424098

Check my reads.

Why? You are suspicious?


Okay, I see your track record on figuring out first posts isn't exactly stellar :D

I want to see people talk about each other, because that makes the game much easier to figure out. I consider his first post pretty much null from a completely new player.

On that matter, my reads so far: slightly town on DeusXmachina and Alakaslam, null on the rest.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 08:06 GMT
#253
Is anyone else around during EU daytime besides me?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 11:09 GMT
#257
On August 16 2013 19:15 justanothertownie wrote:
Btw. I would like it very much if we could agree on not lying if it isn't absolutely necessary for some reason. If a VT claims cop to save himself I will get mad. Worst case we lynch a so called redcheck who flips town and kill the fake cop (also town) afterwards.
Probably wastes 2 cycles of discussion and we have 2 mislynches.
Never do that.


Why are you so stuck on this scenario, anyway?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 16 2013 11:37 GMT
#259
On August 16 2013 20:30 justanothertownie wrote:
Because it was mentioned someone did it in one of the last newbie games and because there were 2 townies who fakeclaimed cop in the first game I played.


Ok, I see.

What do you think of this game so far, any reads?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 17 2013 07:08 GMT
#349
On August 17 2013 09:49 Alakaslam wrote:
That being said yes he could go about it differently. But iVLosk is not aLaKaSLaM or Umasi or Hurricane sponge or Hzflank, he is iVLosk!

The butt doctor

And discrediting a player's statements can be a good thing to do. (Eg HolyFlare being scum- haven't ruled that out). If the statement hasn't got merit it should be discredited, right?

Disclaimer: do I agree with iVLosk? Possibly. I need to weigh it all.


Why are you softly defending (and buddying up to) another player again? Didn't you learn from what happened in the last game with Umasi? Please keep an open mind, so far anyone in this game could be scum.

I still think you're town though. Who's your current best scum read?
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 17 2013 07:12 GMT
#350
I really need reps)squishy and Squibbles to start participating more and that has to happen right now, otherwise I might have to start driving for lynching one of you. Post your top 2 scum reads with some reasoning, thanks.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 17 2013 08:53 GMT
#351
On August 17 2013 14:30 reps)squishy wrote:
Squibbles said I run PST and do work so my main times where I will be extremely active will be after 4:30
Which he has not.


So do you think he's scum? Why so non-committal? Your filter is worrying, low activity and I get a feel that you're just trying to find a target to latch on rather than trying to find scum.
LoneMeow
Profile Joined June 2013
Finland1396 Posts
August 17 2013 09:06 GMT
#353
On August 17 2013 18:05 reps)squishy wrote:
I am just pointing out things that other people may find important. I have not voted for anyone. Day 1 is really hard I die night 1 every time .


Partly because you like to point out things but not take harder stances, which looks scummy. So who's your best scum read right now?
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