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Spicydinosaur
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 22 2013 18:12 Onegu wrote: I think you can play one more since it is 3 or fewer, meaning if this is your 4th game that is still ok. I have sent some PM's out also, hope we can get this started asap. This would be my fourth game. I played 2 newbie games and Les Mafia. Thought it was 3 games max, regardless of type. I'd play if a mod gives an ok. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 11:04 Chromatically wrote: Why so scummy, Spicy? Please point out and explain exactly what you think is scummy. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 11:13 Chromatically wrote: Well, it's hard to decide whether the "hey" part or the "everyone" part is scummier. Really a toss up. What could you possibly expect me to explain? You're taking this awfully seriously. Why did you take so long to reply if you were in the thread? Not taking it super seriously, just busting you back. I posted in the thread then went back to reddit. Checked the thread again after a few minutes. I'll be around tonight and early tomorrow morning. And hey Xzavier. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 11:25 Chromatically wrote: Hmm. In both other newbie games, you started out with a policy post about lurkers. Any particular reason why you changed for this game? It was looked as spam/scummy in the obs chat so I cut it out. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 11:36 Chromatically wrote: Alright, I see. What do you think of Xzavier so far? Spamming more than I like. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 11:43 hzflank wrote: I noticed that too. This is Spicy's first post in his previous game, where he was town: That is quite a lot more content than his first post in this thread: Sheeping off of others opinions already? Also heres the QT chat i was referring too. Though i dont know how to post to a specific QT box Heres the QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/YXgCU77iVMsa and its posts: 11, 16, 21. Spicydinosaur http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18810769 Fluffity fluff fluff fluff, I will, Fluffity fluff. vote spicy as not the towniest MOFU in thread. umasi xzav and yvanna are town random guy that thinks hes better than he is and fferyl are probably town but not that much i'd lynch firere and spicy for now not sure about the third spicy should be killed with fire Furthermore you should look back at my other 2 games if you want to see what my openings were. They too were different. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 24 2013 12:10 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Alright, it appears that my plan has oversights that are unacceptable risks at this juncture. Thank you to the veteran players (or just simply better players) who found them so quickly. Personally, I'm more concerned about Chromatic's point (regarding letting mafia call their shot on blues) than the risk of a mafia-tracker claiming NN, but I will not protest if we continue the scum-hunt without regard for my posted plan. To me, everyone who is posting one-liners looks spammy to me, but I think the 'everyone is scum until they convince me otherwise' mentality isn't the worst thing in the world. Spicy and Xzavier are on my radar for the fluff and nonsense at the beginning. Chromatically and FirmTofu seem the most town as they were very quick to point out what were (in their view) flaws in a plan to move forward that may have compromised the town. An intro post saying hi and then answering questions is now fluff? If you want to talk about fluff then look to your first post. On June 24 2013 11:46 Hurricane Sponge wrote: Ugh, let's avoid the 'should we lynch lurkers talk' shall we? I'm gonna go ahead and post the play I had written earlier this week analyzing this game from a pro-town perspective. If any of my analysis is off-base, please jump in and steer me back on track. Pre-written segment starts now: Alright, chums. First let me state that in NO WAY is the following message a call for a mass claim. If you are the Parity Cop (assuming you even exist), DO NOT SAY SO. In fact, if you're our town's parity cop, it's probably better if you appear to ignore what I'm about to say completely. Same goes for Trackers and Watchers. DO NOT CLAIM. But read carefully, because you are a big part of whether we succeed or fail (whether we follow my plan or not). Nothing useful. All you say is dont claim or dont listen to you. Now everyone, pay attention: Looking over the roles, the extremely juicy pro-town potential jumped right off the page at me, as I hope it did to many of you. Trackers can tell us if a person visits someone. Pretty good, but not nearly as good as the Watcher, who can pick a person and sees all who visit them. Obviously, this means we can try to guess the guy who's going to be mafia-killed, and we have a couple shots at seeing if he either gets visited, or manage to Track the mafia member who happens to be tagged to do the deed. Not great odds on either, but still better than nothing. My plan utilizes each role to their maximum potential. Because we are not guaranteed to have a Tracker, Watcher, or even a Parity Cop, it's important that for the roles we DO get, we use them efficiently. The Watcher needs to guess the target they think will be mafia-killed tonight. This is up to your judgement, but I'll make a recommendation later today. Just restating whats in the OP. spam The fun part comes with the Tracker and the Nosy Neighbor (and by extension Parity Cop). The Tracker should secretly track the Nosy Neighbor. AGAIN, MR. OR MRS. TRACKER: DO NOT CLAIM NOW. If we have a Nosy Neighbor, they should claim IMMEDIATELY. Once the Tracker can confirm that the Nosy Neighbor is in fact moving around at night, but not visiting the person who got Mafia-killed, WE CAN ESTABLISH HIM AS TOWN. This is a big deal. The Parity Cop can then tag the confirmed Nosy Neighbor as Town and start measuring up suspects against them. If he gets a 'Different' claim, the other person is Scum. If he gets 'Same', they are town. Horrible idea for someone to claim at all this early. I can elaborate further, but I feel like you can all piece together whatever holes are out there without me holding your hand even further. This is an extremely pro-town set-up (assuming there aren't a bunch of red herrings in which case, Hi I'm sponge, and I just gave you all the book on me.) and I'd like to move fast before mafia can organize their thoughts in their private little forum. If we move fast, and force independent action, they lose one of their many advantages. More fluff with nothing of substance. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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I dont see how responding to two questions makes me scum now. He asked why so scummy which is a bs question so i responded as such. Then he asked why i didnt post right away... and i said why. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote: I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states. In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment. (It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game) I do this in all my games, check out Les Mafiafor a good example. Though i don't see how that is alignment indicative as no one wants to get lynched. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 12:37 Hurricane Sponge wrote: We have differing definitions of spam. For me, multiple posts of one-liners are spam. The first question you responded to didn't necessitate the response it got. For reference: Kind of an over-reaction, no? You seem to be getting really defensive at everyone who mentions your name. Wasn't overreaction if you look at my follow up which i stated i was busting him back. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 12:50 Hurricane Sponge wrote: For Xzavier and Spicy: I was pressed by Chromatically as to who I thought looked scummy based on the extremely early-game posts. I gave my answer and justified them. I acknowledge that you think these are shitty reasons. FirmTofu echoed my thoughts that Spicy seemed to be flying off the handle a bit quickly. (Actually he posted that FIRST as I was crafting mine simultaneously apparently.) Xzavier, I assume you're not going to be defending your early content so vehemently? I may be overly defensive but i don't see how that shows alignment as both town and scum would want to live. As for Xzavier, not a fan of his big post about the roles as it was a lot like Hurricanes. Nothing really useful as it just summed up what the roles were and what they can do. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On June 24 2013 18:14 Aquanim wrote: The trouble with relying on a Nosy Neighbour counter-claiming later on is that we have no guarantee that there is even a Nosy Neighbour in the game. If there isn't, and scum fake-claims it, they get away scot-free. Sure, we could lynch an uncounterclaimed Nosy Neighbour, but enforcing a claim of it day 1 avoids considerations of "did he only claim it to avoid a lynch?". If there is an actual NN, and scum fake-claims it, then they get counter-claimed and lynched, which is OK. Also, if there is a Nosy Neighbour and they are forced to claim at LYLO, then scum can counter-claim and leave us with a 50-50 chance (which might be a lot better than what they faced before). Since scum would probably only claim NN if it was a choice between a fakeclaim and being lynched, if the NN claim is not available to them they're just as dead (if not more) than if they were counter-claimed anyway. Thus there is no advantage to leaving a NN claim till later in the hopes of counterclaiming a fakeclaim. Even if there is a NN are we guaranteed to have a watcher? Or vice versa? There is also the possibility of the SK (if we have one) claiming to be the NN. I still think the best thing we can do right now is NOT to have the NN claim. A confirmed (or at least believed NN) is just one less person for scum to worry about that night as others have said. Also if someone does claim it... would we actually want a watcher to waste a night confirming it? | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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Looking at FirmTofu as possible scum target. His first post is pure spam that does nothing to generate discussion On June 24 2013 11:15 FirmTofu wrote: Scum Hunt Day 1: Analysis: Trying to appear friendly with an innocuous greeting. Seems to project an air of insecurity. Preliminary Conclusion: Scum Analysis: Neutral statement of fact. Preliminary Conclusion: Need more information. Analysis: Exudes power with strong capitalization techniques along with a greeting. Preliminary Conclusion: A leader with a powerful role. Analysis: Trying to establish a connection with a player that he has interacted with prior to this game. A metagaming, manipulative sort of move. Preliminary Conclusion: Scummy Analysis: First baseless accusation. As the old chinese proverb states, "He who smelt it, dealt it." Preliminary Conclusion: Scum Suggested Lynch: Chromatically I'm also not a huge fan of his stance on meta use. He claims that he doesn't want to use meta which would be fine on its own, but here he is using the argument to ignore evidence. On June 24 2013 12:01 FirmTofu wrote: As an aside, I would prefer if the accusations remained within the confines of this game and this game only. That is to say, judging people on the differences between their past games and this one is a rather boring way to play the game. He claims I'm scummy because i am defensive when accused of being scum. On June 24 2013 12:36 FirmTofu wrote: I actually do believe Spicydinosaur is scummy, but not for the reasons that Hurricane Sponge states. In all of his posts, he is extremely defensive. At the slightest mention of someone accusing him of anything, he flares up in his own defense. This could be due to his personality or it could be that he is extremely afraid of getting lynched. If it is indeed the latter, he is likely to be a powerful role, town or mafia. This is my preliminary assessment. (It's funny that this real analysis is in agreement with my fluff analysis at the beginning of the game) He acknowledges that it could just be my personality, yet when I link past games to show exactly that, he ignores it. At this point he just backs off his scum claim. On June 24 2013 12:44 FirmTofu wrote: I won't bother looking at your past games, because I believe you should only be judged on your actions in this game. As I mentioned before, you could very well have a defensive personality, so I am not saying you are definitely scum or anything like that. Next up is the lurker list post which doesnt tell us anything new and just clutters up the thread. We all know who has/hasnt been posting as the filter button is a click away. [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 13:27 FirmTofu wrote: [QUOTE]On June 24 2013 12:30 FirmTofu wrote: Quoted Player List for reference: [QUOTE]On June 18 2013 14:22 geript wrote: The Players
[/QUOTE] Lurkers: fyfy, Aquanium, LoneMeow, StiMaDDict, Alakaslam (Sorry, I know you said you were eating, but for all intents and purposes, you haven't posted at all.) Let's keep a close watch on these guys before we start voting.[/QUOTE] Lastly his vote on fyfy has been bugging me. It is clearly a pressure vote to get him active but why target fyfy over stim? Stim actually posted at the beginning of the day right after the day post, then dissipated. He was there reading the thread but not actively posting. This seems scummier than fyfy at the moment. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
Only 1 post and not much content. Though last newbie game he didnt post that much and got himself lynched for looking like a lurker while actually being town. Would be easy to use that as a cover for inactivity. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
United States382 Posts
On June 25 2013 00:35 fyfy wrote: How long left do we have before night? Next deadline: 1 day 10 hours You can check the OP as it has a countdown clock | ||
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