You know we've had the same arguments going around these forums when it comes to the GSTL, PL, etc. There will always be room for winners league all-kills, but two rounds of it is more than enough. Here's an old saying, "Your team is only as good as your worst player."
Proleague format is boring: endless mirror matches and a lot of subpar matches. With the current format, teams have to field 6 players each match which means teams need at least 8-9 players for sufficient depth, if not more. The result is a lot of low quality matches between b-teamers, or mismatches between aces and b-teamers.
All-kill format is better, but I think what might be even better is a hybrid format: first 3 matches in proleague format with loser's map pick to pre-empt all the mirror matching, the next 3 in all-kill format, and the last being an ace match. This means we'd get to watch more ace-quality games without completely giving up the unique proleague format which does enable the players to get guaranteed games.
Poll: Do you prefer Proleague format or All-Kill?
Proleague (208)
71%
All-Kill (87)
29%
295 total votes
Your vote: Do you prefer Proleague format or All-Kill?
All kill format is so much more tense because you dont know what player is going to come out. Plus its always awesome to see someone go on a hot streak and get all kill.
On April 12 2013 15:00 mrRoflpwn wrote: All kill format is so much more tense because you dont know what player is going to come out. Plus its always awesome to see someone go on a hot streak and get all kill.
I'm prob crazy for thinking this but unless it's like a reverse AK I don't like to see them. I like seeing a wider variety of players, and 4 straight wins makes me a little sad that I don't get to see them. After the first 1 or 2 games a player wins it's no longer about specialized builds or snipers, just throwing out someone in hopes of stopping the streak and the games turn more generic.
I definitely appreciate winner's league when it's more back and forth though.
Personally I prefer the Proleague format, it rewards having a deep line-up and allows for map specific strategies. It also allows for less orthodox maps in the map pool, which can create interesting games.
They tackled it pretty well... Winners league is more appealing but proleague format is eaier on the players.
Right now..as much as the players may hate it.. this isnt about the players. its about growing the culture of esports in korea, winning back all the fans that were in bw and attracting the new gens proleague format mirror matches arent helping.
On April 12 2013 14:16 StarStruck wrote: You know we've had the same arguments going around these forums when it comes to the GSTL, PL, etc. There will always be room for winners league all-kills, but two rounds of it is more than enough. Here's an old saying, "Your team is only as good as your worst player."
I massively prefer proleague format. You get to see a huge amount of players every time. Even a 4-0 lets you see 8 different players. It rewards the team with more depth instead of the team with a player who is having a really good day. All-kills are boring especially 4-0 all kills. It also makes it so map balance doesn't really matter while with the all kill format you can't try out really insane maps or it might just make it so one race never comes out. That is another thing I like about proleague format they make the teams play 1 of each race. With a lot of the Kespa teams fielding 4 Protoss every match with all-kill format it would have been very possible to just have straight PvPs in matches between certain teams.
I understand how PL format gives players more of an opportunity to play, but having a best of 7 AK format means that it's relatively the same thing is it not? Sure you don't have a dedicated ace match, but there's still the potential of a variety pf different players to play and 4-0's happen in both formats regardless.
Plus AK is far more exciting I would think in almost everyone's books
What Kim Chul Min says is correct but seriously, too much Winner's League drove me nuts back in the BW days. 2 rounds is more than enough for me, I guess the problem was more of Flash/Bisu/JD being hardcore carries (Stats AK WJ+SKT1 was pure beauty though) and it started getting stale.
IMO, the biggest problem at the moment is the presetting of matches. Maybe it's me not liking mirrors but when I glance at the lineups and see 3 or 4 mirrors, it just becomes a massive turn-off for me and I don't even bother watching it.
I think the regular season format is alright. The mix of PL and WL is already good.
But the playoff format during the last few seasons of BW was just dumb and i think was one of the reason ( not main reason but part of) that viewership of PL was down
Basically it made the more successful team( who is usually the more popular teams with the better players) wait in the final. So SKT1 was the regular season winner. They had the most fans. But that means they had to wait in the final and only play BO1 when every other round was Bo3.
That's so much viewership wasted.Imagine if the NBA makes Miami Heat wait in the final instead of them starting from the same round as everyone else and make the NBA Final Bo3
I actually don't know this season's playoff format but I hope they have changed it.
On April 12 2013 15:39 Sedzz wrote: I understand how PL format gives players more of an opportunity to play, but having a best of 7 AK format means that it's relatively the same thing is it not? Sure you don't have a dedicated ace match, but there's still the potential of a variety pf different players to play and 4-0's happen in both formats regardless.
Plus AK is far more exciting I would think in almost everyone's books
I used to think so, but not anymore. Massively prefer PL's format.
On April 12 2013 15:39 Sedzz wrote: I understand how PL format gives players more of an opportunity to play, but having a best of 7 AK format means that it's relatively the same thing is it not? Sure you don't have a dedicated ace match, but there's still the potential of a variety pf different players to play and 4-0's happen in both formats regardless.
Plus AK is far more exciting I would think in almost everyone's books
Allkill is 5-8 players. Proleague is 8-14.
I'm curious in the history of broodwar did anyone actually play 14 players? It would be both teams using aces that weren't in the original lineups.
PL needs to have a somewhat balanced map pool for all races though. Or at least rock-paper-scissors map. If it's too heavily favoured in one race, then it's just mirror fests which can be boring/annoying.
On April 12 2013 14:47 Evil_Sheep wrote: Proleague format is boring: endless mirror matches and a lot of subpar matches. With the current format, teams have to field 6 players each match which means teams need at least 8-9 players for sufficient depth, if not more. The result is a lot of low quality matches between b-teamers, or mismatches between aces and b-teamers.
All-kill format is better, but I think what might be even better is a hybrid format: first 3 matches in proleague format with loser's map pick to pre-empt all the mirror matching, the next 3 in all-kill format, and the last being an ace match. This means we'd get to watch more ace-quality games without completely giving up the unique proleague format which does enable the players to get guaranteed games.
Examples of all these b-teamers playing in Proleague?
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