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On April 05 2013 04:39 Dandel Ion wrote: He will have a town-aligned target that he needs to get lynched in order to win. So what happens if he successfully gets they guy lynched? Does the game end? If not, does the lyncher die? If not, what is his motivation to continue playing? | ||
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On April 05 2013 08:58 Palmar wrote: I say we lynch you on day one. How would you like that? ##Vote sciberbia Getting lynched makes it less likely that my win condition is fulfilled, so I'm opposed to your idea of lynching me. Palmar, do you think that longer days are in general a boon to town (as opposed to shorter days)? It seems to me like the optimal town strategy in this setup is to take like a week on each lynch (or longer). Logically, the more filter you have to go through, the easier it is to get an accurate read on somebody. The only downside is that people will at some point lose interest. But I think in general the longer the day the better. What say you? | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:14 Palmar wrote: Just to throw it out there sciberbia also started the only other game I've played with him (he was scum) with a random thought about the setup/strategy. In both cases he asks someone else to confirm that he has a good idea: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17284265 <--- here I think we have a winner. My strategy as scum (as I explained in the post-game) was to try to play exactly as I do as town. The reason that I posted setup speculation as scum is precisely because that is what I usually do as town. I tend to start the game by inviting discussion on the setup because imo it is the best (only?) way to get people meaningfully talking about something actually relevant to the game. The alternative way of generating discussion, as you are demonstrating, is to wait until someone else makes a post and then attack them for it, but I don't tend to form scumreads off someone's first post, and I don't like to lie about my reads, hence discussion on setup. | ||
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On April 05 2013 09:33 marvellosity wrote: I'm somewhat concerned that Palmar gave a serious reason for not wanting to vote Ace. I don't follow your logic. You think Palmar is scum because he isn't trolling? On April 05 2013 09:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Wanna kill WoS? Why are you not concerned into this matter rather than Palmar/Ace? Why don't you explain why you want to kill WoS.. | ||
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I don't think the suspicion on iamperfection is warranted. I'm leaning town on him based on the attention he drew to himself early in the game. First of all, he drew attention to himself by consistently pushing Ace as a serious lynch and making a big deal out. He also confronts various other people like rayn, dp, prplhz, marv + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:43 iamperfection wrote: i was pretty clear on why ace is scummy. list right now your lack of reading comprehension is concerning but you seem interested at least so ill put you down as stupid town for now. On April 05 2013 11:37 iamperfection wrote: so would you rather i sit here with my thumb up my ass. On April 05 2013 11:42 iamperfection wrote: and if thats the case dp why did you bother to post at all? On April 05 2013 21:42 iamperfection wrote: why does it look like ace isnt get lynched? what has he done to make you think he is not scum? Why are you being passive? Why are you not pushing for what you want? why am i forced to ask these questions? are you scum? Also, note the timestamps on his posts. Many them are multi-line, confrontational posts (which actually say something) literally written within a minute of the quote that he is responding to. Even when he is under pressure from Palmar/marv, he is very spontaneous. According to Oats, Iamp hasn't played scum in a while, and I doubt whether he'd be confident enough in his scum play to be so spontaneous, aggressive, and attention-drawing right out the gate. I'm not sure how I feel about the point brought up by Palmar/marv that his push on Ace feels too energetic. I agree the vigor he shows is odd, but overall I feel he is more likely to be town for it for reasons I stated above. Oatsmaster My best guess at scum right now is Oatsmaster. His first three posts immediately caught my attention because they were all piggy-backing off things already said in the thread, and all contributed to a negative town-atmosphere. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 14:06 Oatsmaster wrote: holy fucking shit like 9 pages of inane banter. Im not treating any of rayn's posts as serious attempts to get anyone lynched. no reads :/ On April 05 2013 14:10 Oatsmaster wrote: Rayn, Give at least like a paragraph with reasoning before you ask others. WHY DONT YOU LYNCH WOS? HUHUHHUUH!!!. On April 05 2013 16:33 Oatsmaster wrote: WHY WOULD YOU POST THEN? Did you at least skim the thread? I think scum often want to promote the idea early D1 that there is nothing to go on and that town is playing badly etc, so this is a bit suspicious to me. Also, I don't like that I think each and every sentence of his first three posts was echoing a previous thought in the thread made by somebody else. Seems like a very safe way to start the game. The rest of his filter is ok but I don't feel like he is trying especially hard to figure out the game. He's been in the thread a long time, but a lot of his posts are off-topic or don't really go anywhere. It also bothers slightly that he originally stated he had "no reads". Then when asked to look at my filter, he said that all three of my posts looked scummy to him and now he thinks I am scum. So either he -- just glossed over the thread before stating that he had no reads -- changed his mind on my 3 posts from null to significantly scummy on second look I don't think a townie is especially likely to do either. Oats, maybe you can explain which it is here. | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:16 marvellosity wrote: Read this (or a couple of pages at least) and get back to me with your opinion on Oats. Alrighty. Have to go in 10 minutes though so I'll get back to you in a few hours. | ||
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On April 06 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote: can anybody tell me why axlegreaser is town Well I gave him townie points for this post. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 13:49 AxleGreaser wrote: @Palmar I am curious. I don't yet have any meta on you apart from memory... Can you direct me to any game in which you ##FOS a player? Id like to see under what conditions you normally do that? ##Fos Palmar I'll be watching you (but doing other things) I'd suggest you be careful or I might put vote on you... except that you'd just ignore that, hence it would be pointless but its the questions I ask that are the problem. @WOS. While the anchor you gave me here, is anice anchor and all that jazz, having had quick look at his Red team filter Then yes your description of a headless chook seems about right. Was there any reason you thought we should lynch a headless chook? and yes, just before you run off here you can have your "headless chook" read back for now I would need to see something directly scummy, rather than just noisily anti town.. He saw something that he thought was out of place with Palmar and asked him about it, and he bothered to look up one of rayn's old filters, and put some thought into the WoS/rayn storyline. He was the first person to put some real effort into figuring out the game, when he certainly was under no pressure to do so, as everyone else was trolling or just doing nothing. also, oats are you still around by any chacne? | ||
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On April 06 2013 05:41 raynpelikoneet wrote: Huh, why do you think Axle actually looked up my Red mafia filter and read it? That's a pretty fucking wishy-washy statement he gave about me and my play in RED. I doubt he thoroughly read it, but he clearly at least opened it, and looked at it enough to characterize your previous play. It's not wishy/washy. He said you played like a headless chook. Nothing wishy/washy about that. My point is that it he put some effort into doing something related to figuring out alignments, although he wasn't under any obligation to do so. Do you think Axle is lying about looking at your filter and is therefore scum? Seems like a very stupid lie to tell. | ||
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On April 06 2013 02:16 marvellosity wrote: Read this (or a couple of pages at least) and get back to me with your opinion on Oats. Alright marv let's talk about Oats. I went through the first few pages of his town filter from Red Team, and here is what I found significant:
Also, I missed this before, but either he somehow misunderstood what I was saying, or this part of his case against me is quite a reach. Want to ask him about it, but he's apparently gone for 16+ hours. + Show Spoiler + On April 06 2013 01:50 Oatsmaster wrote: The questions are not even meant to elicit a proper response, they are questions to try and get the subject, in this case, marv angry and DISRUPT the thread like BH. When this is his only contribution, Its looking really bad. Overall, reading his previous filter hasn't changed my read on him. I'm still leaning scum. I assume you disagree based on your telling me to read his previous filter. Can you explain why? | ||
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Meh. I don't get the feeling Oats would be timid even if he were scum. And he didn't exactly confront you straight-on. More like you were both circling around one of Palmar's posts. Ace and I seem to be in agreement that his posting this game is significantly moreso posting for the sake of posting than it was in Red Team. Do you disagree with this? Also, what do you think of prplhz drawing extra attention to drawing attention to rayn early D1? + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 11:45 prplhz wrote: no mention of the guy you are currently voting for? On April 05 2013 12:15 prplhz wrote: i don't like how rayn just ignored my question I would expect veteran players like prplhz, as town, to ignore distracting players like rayn on early D1, instead of drawing attention to them. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. You do seem to be inviting Axle to give his opinion on rayn's alignment, so I think rayn's summary of your post was fair. On the other hand, Axle did seem to have misinterpreted your intentions, but I don't see why bad reading comprehension is suspicious in and of itself. I highly doubt he intentionally lied about what you said. Also, do you actually want to lynch Ace today? Just because you think he is good at scum? | ||
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I don't know if you missed my last post, but.. First of all, as a point of fact, rayn didn't misinterpret your post in the same way Axle did. You posted this, where you ask Axle if he thinks rayn is worth paying attention to. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote: Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far? I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. And rayn summarised your post as 'asking Axle if we should kill rayn', which I think is a fair (although exaggerated) summary. Moving on, On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically? Your stance on Ace is confusing. Maybe you could communicate it better. First, marv made a troll vote on Ace. You jumped on the bandwaggon and voted Ace. How serious was this vote? Clearly it's not THAT serious because you are talking a lot about prplhz and rayn and not pushing an ace lynch. On the other hand, it is clearly at least somewhat serious because you said you stand by it. But if it's somewhat serious, why did you say "I'm with marv on this one" when it was clear marv was just trolling? Do you really think a policy lynch of Ace is in town's best interests? I'm confused. Help me out here. | ||
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On April 06 2013 09:48 iamperfection wrote: da faq is this shit where is everybody who wants to kill prplz with me? This is not a trick question. Hi iamp. I think we can all agree that prplhz has shown no indication that he is town, or cares about town. I did not like his cacophony of one-liners that didn't go anywhere. I also didn't like how he drew more attention onto rayn. If I had to pick a lynch right now, prplhz is in my top two, but I don't see why we should rush him to the gallows. We don't get bonus points for winning the game in under 24 hours, so I'll be holding onto my vote. I suggest you look into other people until prplhz returns to the thread. Do you have a stance on Oats? + Show Spoiler + bolded prplhz in attempt to help iamp learn correct spelling | ||
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In your Red Team filter, and even moreso in this game, you quickly pounced on a few different people in quick succession. I suppose this is behavior that one could classify as typical of a 'headless chook', although I personally would restrain from using that term. | ||
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I knew that didn't sound right :[ | ||
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On April 06 2013 10:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: So sci: Do you think Axle actually read my filter from RED or not? Yes I think he read it. I would be shocked if Axle lied about looking at your filter. If he is town, he has no motivation to lie, and plenty of incentive to actually look at it. And if he is scum, it would be an abysmally stupid idea to claim to have done research and present findings without actually doing the research. What if the findings he presented were 100% clearly wrong? It's just such an unnecessary risk. Since he went through the trouble of getting the link, it only makes sense that he would at least scroll through it, even if he is scum. Are you going somewhere with this? | ||
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Just off the top of my head, you jumped on myself, iamp, and WoS at the start of this game. And you jumped on prplhz and OO early in Red team, with some aggressive questions to... Cora, marv, and Keirathi. If you really think that Axle would lie about looking at your filter, I'm just going to have to strongly disagree and leave it at that. I think that as scum he would at least take 30 seconds and glance through it before linking to it in the thread. Just because he didn't point out anything specific doesn't mean he didn't look at it. | ||
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