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Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-08 15:51:00
March 07 2013 08:14 GMT
#1
Monobattle on Ladder (1v1)

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We march to victory

Introduction
HotS is coming within a week. I’m sure everyone is excited about it. I am, too. Now that there is little incentive to play WoL ladder and HotS beta is down, I figured this would be the best time to share how I intend to play HotS once released. The title says it all. Yes, I am going to play monobattle on ladder. Crazy? Perhaps, but it’s going to be really fun.

Why?
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Balance and metagame for the first several months of HotS will be volatile for sure. It will stabilize eventually, but until then, I don’t find it meaningful enough to play seriously. I feel that I can always catch up once things get more figured out. Also, I am a big fan of Bx Monobattle (4v4) arcade map. I have played a fair number of games there. However, sometimes it is really frustrating when a teammate sucks/leaves/trolls. In 1v1, there is no such concern.


When?
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12 Mar. 2013 ~ ???
I’m thinking of doing it for at least 2 seasons or so, but there is a chance that I get addicted to this monobattle play.


Where?
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At 1v1 ladder (ranked) Bronze ~ Gold(?)
Thanks to Blizzard (finally), I can always go play unranked 1v1s if I ever wanted to play normal games. All ranked games will be monobattle for a while.
As for leagues, I think I’m decent enough to get out of bronze even with monobattle. I don’t really know how good/bad people are down there, but my goal for now is climbing up to gold league. I don’t think I can ever reach platinum. If pros try, maybe they can even get to diamond with some practice. I’ve seen Dragon win some troll monobattle games on ladder at relatively high level. Note that you only need to win 50% to stay in a particular league, not 100%.


Who?
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Obviously me, but nothing is stopping YOU from doing it as well. Rules will be clearly explained below. Monobattle might ease your ladder anxiety because some losses are not your own fault. Playing a late game unit is auto-loss vs early game rush from your opponent who is not playing monobattle.


What?
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What unit do I use? I’m going to play monobattle with basically all units. There are 38 units:
+ Show Spoiler [Terran(12)] +

Marine
Marauder
Reaper
Ghost
Hellion / Hellbat
Siege Tank
Thor
Widow Mine
Viking
Banshee
Raven
Battlecruiser

+ Show Spoiler [Zerg(12)] +

Zergling
Baneling
Queen
Roach
Hydralisk
Infestor
Swarm Host
Mutalisk
Corruptor
Brood Lord
Ultralisk
Viper

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Zealot
Stalker
Sentry
High Templar
Dark Templar
Archon
Immortal
Colossus
Phoenix
Void Ray
Carrier
Oracle
Tempest
Mothership Core / Mothership


Special Rules (some are different from Bx Monobattle):
Structures / researches = no restriction whatsoever

Workers = SCV / Drone / Probe = always allowed

Transports = Medivac / Overlord / Warp Prism = always allowed, Ignite Afterburners / Phasing mode warp-in allowed

Detectors = Raven / Overseer / Observer = always allowed, raven spells NOT allowed unless raven is the monobattle unit of the game, overseer spells allowed

Free / energy / affiliated units = MULE / broodling / locust / infested terran / larva / changeling / hallucinated units / interceptor = always allowed as long as there is a way to make them. Ex. Locust is always allowed, but it requires swarm host which is not allowed in 37 of 38 games in the first place etc.

Queen = allowed 1 per hatchery / lair / hive unless queen is the monobattle unit of the game, queen spells allowed. If a hatchery / lair / hive dies, it is OK to have more queens temporarily.

Mothership Core / Mothership = NOT allowed unless it is the monobattle unit of the game.

Morphing = zergling / corruptor / DT / HT = allowed to make, but not allowed to attack with when playing baneling / broodlord / archon / archon, respectively. Only accidental attack is permitted, and it should be stopped immediately.

Neural Parasite = allowed to control any enemy units. As long as no other rule is broken, building another race is allowed as well. Ex. NP a probe to get observers etc.

vs Terran Lift = once Terran opponent has no unit on the map to the best of my knowledge, but lifted buildings are keeping him/her in the game, then viking / mutalisk / phoenix are allowed to make to kill those buildings.


How?
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How do I choose what unit to use? I have randomized the order of 38 units with a random number generator. In 38 games = 1 cycle, I get to play every unit once each. First 3 cycles look like this:
+ Show Spoiler [001-038] +

01 Marauder
02 Swarm Host
03 Hydralisk
04 Battlecruiser
05 Void Ray
06 Carrier
07 Stalker
08 Marine
09 Sentry
10 Oracle
11 Widow Mine
12 Corruptor
13 Zergling
14 Archon
15 Brood Lord
16 Thor
17 Viking
18 Tempest
19 Infestor
20 Ghost
21 Raven
22 High Templar
23 Zealot
24 Banshee
25 Mothership Core/Mothership
26 Queen
27 Immortal
28 Baneling
29 Viper
30 Colossus
31 Dark Templar
32 Hellion/Hellbat
33 Reaper
34 Ultralisk
35 Roach
36 Siege Tank
37 Phoenix
38 Mutalisk

+ Show Spoiler [039-076] +

39 Raven
40 Viking
41 Zergling
42 Queen
43 High Templar
44 Mutalisk
45 Brood Lord
46 Zealot
47 Sentry
48 Hydralisk
49 Dark Templar
50 Battlecruiser
51 Banshee
52 Marine
53 Carrier
54 Mothership Core/Mothership
55 Hellion/Hellbat
56 Swarm Host
57 Colossus
58 Infestor
59 Roach
60 Oracle
61 Thor
62 Reaper
63 Corruptor
64 Stalker
65 Void Ray
66 Viper
67 Siege Tank
68 Marauder
69 Ultralisk
70 Archon
71 Baneling
72 Tempest
73 Widow Mine
74 Phoenix
75 Immortal
76 Ghost

+ Show Spoiler [077-114] +

077 Banshee
078 Oracle
079 Carrier
080 Raven
081 Ultralisk
082 Ghost
083 Widow Mine
084 Baneling
085 Mothership Core/Mothership
086 Zergling
087 Queen
088 Archon
089 Roach
090 Viper
091 Dark Templar
092 Phoenix
093 Marine
094 Colossus
095 Sentry
096 Mutalisk
097 Void Ray
098 Swarm Host
099 Hydralisk
100 Viking
101 Reaper
102 Infestor
103 Marauder
104 Corruptor
105 Tempest
106 Stalker
107 Immortal
108 Siege Tank
109 Thor
110 Battlecruiser
111 High Templar
112 Zealot
113 Brood Lord
114 Hellion/Hellbat

Before playing the first unit = marauder, I will lose all my placement matches so that I can start this monobattle challenge in bronze league. As long as the order among 38 units is randomized, I can use any other randomized tables in future.


Final Thoughts
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I don’t play much WoL these days. All I do is either write a SC2 article or theorycraft how to win in these monobattle games. Drone rush or spine rush will be the only way to win with viper / corruptor. Late game will be impossible with no anti-air unit monobattle. Maybe I need to mindgame and type in chat “watch out for baneling landmines / widow mine” when there is absolutely none in order to delay potential deadly attacks. Anyhow, every strategy will be an all-in of some sort. Ask if you have any questions about the rules. I have never tried this 1v1 monobattle in WoL. I haven’t played HotS beta either. So, I’m not sure how well I will do. My rough difficulty estimate is as follows:
+ Show Spoiler [Difficulty] +

1 Marine
1 Marauder
1 Zergling
1 Roach
1 Zealot
1 Stalker
2 Baneling
2 Hydralisk
2 Mutalisk
2 Immortal
2 Void Ray
3 Reaper
3 Ghost
3 Hellion/Hellbat
3 Siege Tank
3 Thor
3 Widow Mine
3 Viking
3 Banshee
3 Infestor
3 Swarm Host
3 Dark Templar
3 Archon
3 Colossus
3 Carrier
3 Tempest
4 Raven
4 Battlecruiser
4 Queen
4 Brood Lord
4 Ultralisk
4 Sentry
4 Oracle
5 Corruptor
5 Viper
5 High Templar
5 Phoenix
5 Mothership Core/Mothership

Let’s see how things turn out. Unlike other articles / guides of mine, this is a relaxed write-up. I thought some people might give it a try if I share. Also, there is a big article coming up in a few days before HotS launch. I’d say it is 100x more interesting than this one, so look forward to that. Thank you for reading.


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KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
March 07 2013 08:16 GMT
#2
In all honesty, I think loosing will become really boring really soon. Against an opponent of equal skill there's simply not much to do.
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
March 07 2013 08:21 GMT
#3
On March 07 2013 17:16 KaiserJohan wrote:
In all honesty, I think loosing will become really boring really soon. Against an opponent of equal skill there's simply not much to do.


Not much to do but lose
When I think of something else, something will go here
LAN-f34r
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand2099 Posts
March 07 2013 08:21 GMT
#4
If he does it every game then he won't be vs people of equal skill.
The only barrier to truth is the presumption that you already have it. It's through our pane (pain) we window (win though).
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
March 07 2013 08:23 GMT
#5
Although I don't think the metagame will reset back to 5rax reaper days, I'm curious what monobattle all ins become legitimate when Hots comes out
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Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1077 Posts
March 07 2013 08:25 GMT
#6
Drone rush or spine rush will be the only way to win with viper / corruptor.


I dunno what if they are zerg? You could just destroy all of their supply. Viper would be hard though.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
E.L.V.I.S
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium458 Posts
March 07 2013 09:46 GMT
#7
sorry to say but this seems ... pointless ?
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ramon
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany4842 Posts
March 07 2013 09:53 GMT
#8
On March 07 2013 18:46 E.L.V.I.S wrote:
sorry to say but this seems ... pointless ?

much like playing video games in general? the idea seems fun to me, for a couple of hours at least and if you don|t want to los that much, just make pure stalker
bisu
achristes
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Norway653 Posts
March 07 2013 10:09 GMT
#9
Have fun I guess...
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Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
March 07 2013 10:11 GMT
#10
I'd love to see what you would do with a MSCore / MS monobattle. Taking the hero-unit concept to the next level.
Such flammable little insects!
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-07 10:20:07
March 07 2013 10:15 GMT
#11
What about a constellation where you get something which cannot shoot up, but your enemy rolls air units?
Or useless rolls like corruptor?

edit: funny idea, though.
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
March 07 2013 10:18 GMT
#12
Great, if you see someone playing mass voids at this time, it might be me
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watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
March 07 2013 10:34 GMT
#13
i think this is a funny idea but some of your chosen units are just silly, for example

Corrputer (can only attack Air)
Viper (can't attack anything at all)

and Mothership Core because you can just build a single one
Have a nice day!
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12372 Posts
March 07 2013 10:37 GMT
#14
On March 07 2013 19:34 TrumpetWilli wrote:
i think this is a funny idea but some of your chosen units are just silly, for example

Corrputer (can only attack Air)
Viper (can't attack anything at all)

and Mothership Core because you can just build a single one

you can grab them into group of spines and spores lol
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
VelJa
Profile Joined October 2011
France1109 Posts
March 07 2013 10:47 GMT
#15
well its simple
every terran units are goo so its simple
in zerg, u only have to spine rush as u said in case of viper / corruptor
in protoss, you can photon push each MU

autowin
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watchlulu
Profile Joined February 2013
Germany474 Posts
March 07 2013 10:54 GMT
#16
On March 07 2013 19:37 ETisME wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 07 2013 19:34 TrumpetWilli wrote:
i think this is a funny idea but some of your chosen units are just silly, for example

Corrputer (can only attack Air)
Viper (can't attack anything at all)

and Mothership Core because you can just build a single one

you can grab them into group of spines and spores lol



yes but if you want to do that, you can also just build spines and spores and win the game (at least in bronze league)
Have a nice day!
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
March 07 2013 10:56 GMT
#17
Hmmm pure monobattle can be hard. I've done absolutely pure stargate before and got to masters with that (even in pvp rofl), but yea.... interesting how far you can get with monobattle.
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
March 07 2013 16:25 GMT
#18
On March 07 2013 17:25 Arghmyliver wrote:
Show nested quote +
Drone rush or spine rush will be the only way to win with viper / corruptor.


I dunno what if they are zerg? You could just destroy all of their supply. Viper would be hard though.
hmm. Alternatively, maybe I can make many hatcheries for queens and attack with them. I would have to be massively ahead, though. Since winning 50% is the goal, some losses are acceptable when the unit sucks, anyways

On March 07 2013 19:15 JustPassingBy wrote:
What about a constellation where you get something which cannot shoot up, but your enemy rolls air units?
Or useless rolls like corruptor?

edit: funny idea, though.
On March 07 2013 19:34 TrumpetWilli wrote:
i think this is a funny idea but some of your chosen units are just silly, for example

Corrputer (can only attack Air)
Viper (can't attack anything at all)

and Mothership Core because you can just build a single one
Having no anti-air is a part of the game in monobattle. Turret / spore / cannon can shoot up at least. Relatively useless units are the most exciting ones. That's the whole point of monobattle. 4gating with stalker and collect an easy win in bronze is not what this is about.

On March 07 2013 19:47 VelJa wrote:
well its simple
every terran units are goo so its simple
in zerg, u only have to spine rush as u said in case of viper / corruptor
in protoss, you can photon push each MU

autowin
I imagine spine rush would be stopped quite frequently once I move up a bit on ladder. Cannon rush would still be OP all the way. I try to win, but I try to enjoy my games as well, so I will make protoss units as much as possible rather than cannon rushing all games.
Kommatiazo
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States579 Posts
March 07 2013 16:33 GMT
#19
Are you going to do the Funday Monday style (it's forced in maps like BX Monobattles) where you announce your one unit at the start of the game.

Also, I will probably legitimately be in Bronze-Gold league at first, and hope to see you on ladder Are you Orek on ladder too? I'd monobattle against you if I met you so I couldn't just auto-win with a blind counter.
"You must enemy don't know, and very good micro" - Bosstoss #Wet4Ret
Tarufuin
Profile Joined April 2010
United States33 Posts
March 07 2013 16:40 GMT
#20
This sounds really intriguing, and I will almost definitely be joining you. I always get really bad ladder anxiety, so doing stupid things like this will help ease that tremendously. Thanks for laying this out!
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