EPTMonobattle on Ladder (1v1) - Page 3
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Larkin
United Kingdom7161 Posts
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Sjokola
Netherlands800 Posts
On March 08 2013 21:27 Larkin wrote: Monobattling with just a mothership/mothership core? That won't end well... Cannon push? | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
On March 08 2013 21:27 Larkin wrote: Monobattling with just a mothership/mothership core? That won't end well... Mass recall all your workers in the enemy base, drop a tonne of cannons  Pretty sure something like that actually happened in a pro level game, it was PvT on Metalopolis (so really old). The protoss recalled in his main army, along with a warp prism and about 8 probes. Warp prism deployed and probes dropped a load of cannons, was so surreal to watch. | ||
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Orek
1665 Posts
On March 08 2013 18:20 Xapti wrote: Either you are overestimating bronze/silver skill, or I am underestimating it. Not sure which at this point.Most of these units can't win vs a terran that lifts off a building. Some units on that list are utterly ridiculous because they can't win AT ALL (corruptor, phoenix, viper, high templar) without massing workers to fight 99% of the game as well as kill all the buildings. Mothership and widow mine is also stupid and [virtually] impossible. On March 08 2013 18:53 forsooth wrote: I know. I've played a lot of Bx monobattle, too. It will be also fun to figure out how to win vs my opponent who is worse in skill overall but is not monobattling.Why monobattle in 1v1? The fun of monobattles is figuring out how use a few random unit types in tandem to beat whatever random composition your opponents end up with. On March 08 2013 19:44 Greendotz wrote: I'm sure your teammates are not happy with that Trolling? In a 4x4 monobattle? So am I doing to wrong when I pick warp prism every time and go for cannon drops and ninja my allies expansions?  On March 08 2013 21:11 Elwar wrote: Thank you. Added:Secondly, the OP might not agree but I feel if you've basically won the game its not really against the spirit of the undertaking to build Air-to-Air to kill floating buildings. In monobattle maps buildings will die if floated to positions un-attackable by static AA. vs Terran Lift = once Terran opponent has no unit on the map to the best of my knowledge, but lifted buildings are keeping him/her in the game, then viking / mutalisk / phoenix are allowed to make to kill those buildings. | ||
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FatNikE
United Kingdom52 Posts
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:26 FatNikE wrote: It should be very possible to reach masters like this (depending on which single units to select.) given on the fact that I was able to reach top gold/platinum MMR with only queens on Wings Of Liberty. Queens are one of the best monobattle units tbh. They can hit both air and ground. They make spines super godly with mass creep spread and transfuse Thinking about it and only marines/stalkers are definitely better. | ||
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FatNikE
United Kingdom52 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:50 JJH777 wrote: Queens are one of the best monobattle units tbh. They can hit both air and ground. They make spines super godly with mass creep spread and transfuse Thinking about it and only marines/stalkers are definitely better. it'd be much easier to win with virtually any unit. Attack on any number of bases with decent mechanics using any good unit like roach, hydra, ling, zealot, marine and you'll win until masters. With queens you can't use larvae and also you struggle with the terrible contradiction of 1. needing to attack asap before your opponent has larger numbers of units or higher tech units. 2. not being ablle to attack until 16+ mins... because they're queens.They're okay for defending in the midgame, for everything else they're virtually the worst monobattle unit. | ||
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JJH777
United States4418 Posts
On March 09 2013 09:56 FatNikE wrote: it'd be much easier to win with virtually any unit. Attack on any number of bases with decent mechanics using any good unit like roach, hydra, ling, zealot, marine and you'll win until masters. With queens you can't use larvae and also you struggle with the terrible contradiction of 1. needing to attack asap before larger numbers of units or higher tech units. 2. not being ablle to attack until 16+ mins... because they're queens. You can use larva on drones for mass spines/spores and attack with Nydus or overlord drops. Also just making a straight line across a map with creep won't take 16 minutes. Especially when you can focus purely on that. Those units are only easier if you kill them on 1 base with a rush. With roach/ling/zealot if they get any air you pretty much lose unless you are already killing them. Hydra's get super hard countered by certain units so much so that even if you are way better you probably won't be able to win once they get those units out. With lings and zealots how will you ever kill a Terran that walls? I admitted marines are better. Also even if all 5 of those units are better which I don't think so queen is still one of the best monobattle units. They are definitely better than reapers/mothership core/banelings/ghosts. Then they are better than all the high tech stuff like broods/bcs/carriers/most air units in general etc. Doing the challenge in this topic will be way harder than just playing with pure queen which is my main point. | ||
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neptunusfisk
2286 Posts
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FatNikE
United Kingdom52 Posts
Have you ever played with mass queens? Reapers is MUCH better, I'd eliminate a gold players mineral line and win easy. Banelings, the same thing, ghosts also since they give you a viable lategame. It's obvious you've never played with mass queens. Dropping queens on MMM doesn't work.... It's a lot easier to win with anything other than moship core. Heck, I got to diamond easy by doing a stupid 2 base mass BC build in TvZ. I also did BC rush in TvT. It wouldn't work with queens because, they're just shit in comparison. Like I said, the only exception is midgame defense. And using larvae on drones is stupid... you'll have loads of minerals and nothing to spend it on since you can only make queens. You're better off playing with less econ and trying to get enough queens to kill him when you're finally able to attack, because a 2k bank doesn't do much good when their 120/150 army rolls over your 200/200 in queens without losing more than a couple of supply. You're just not correct at all about this... especially not if you haven`'t actually played with pure queens to plat mmr. With just marines or stalkers, you could probably get close to GM. With any other unit apart from moship core and maybe vikings, diamond or masters easy. With queens, I think plat is about it. Because, unlike any other unit, they're just not time, supply, cost or anything else efficient in almost any scenario. in ZvZ a player can just make a bunch of roach and walk in and 1 shot all your queens at any time. No transfuse = not even viable for midgame defence in some scenarios, let alone anything else. That said, this monobattles stuff gets boring fast at least in my experience of how I've done it ^_^ The novelty of beating players purely cos they really suck and losing to players you could beat if you just made a different unit, wears off eventually. | ||
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