Personality Mafia 2

On March 10 2013 14:49 Ver wrote:
Howdy Gents!

I'm going for a little challenge this game and plan on winning the game without reading my role pm. As not even I will know my motivations, nobody else can judge me. Armed with this power I shall stop the town from becoming an idiocracy.

I'm also considering giving myself another Personality to assist my efforts in keeping the town in order. I'll keep you all updated.

On March 10 2013 23:04 Acrofales wrote:

Only scum or Drazerk ever tries to pull this stunt.

##vote Ver

On March 11 2013 03:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


simple. Ive been around longer than basically everyone thus everyone is unskilled newbie compared to me. Given that nothing is going on and based on years of observation and conversation I know ver at this point should have more than a fluff post and sloosh only has a /in post. His posting decreases substantially to the point of non existence only when non town.

Given that (for now as the day is less than 24 hours in length) both these players meet meta reasons for being scum they are scum. When they change this in a way that I believe isn't total bullshit then I might revisit my opinion.

On March 10 2013 18:54 Oatsmaster wrote:


My mistake, he went to sleep.

I still dont like how he wasnt involved in the discussion beforehand, not like spammy Iamp.

On March 10 2013 22:37 Oatsmaster wrote:
Yeah.

Where is the jovial mocsta that spams up half the thread.
Come on.

##Vote: Mocsta

On March 10 2013 23:35 Oatsmaster wrote:
Guys.

Mocsta.
Sheep me, lynch him

On March 10 2013 18:42 Oatsmaster wrote:


Yup.

Although there has been absolute bullshit from the players so far.
Seriously NOTHING except personal attacks and other annoying, non-alignment indicative scum.

Iamp what are you doing after that ridiculous list post which says NOTHING?

On March 11 2013 01:10 Oatsmaster wrote:


Who is scum?
No reads = scum.

On March 11 2013 04:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
Agree with risk. SnB which do YOU think it is? What is your reasoning for making the choice you did?

On March 10 2013 23:10 supersoft wrote:


read the thread. Risk already quoted "notchezinu" (that was GMarshals smurf, right?)

On March 11 2013 05:09 strongandbig wrote:


Honestly, I hadn't really thought that much about it besides wanting to point it out as either a good or bad post.

That said, there's really like nothing else in his filter.

At least once Palmar's plan goes bust, he usually jumps into taking the game seriously. Assuming he's gotten past his regular troll phase. SuperSoft hasn't done that. He also only has town reads, and he's clearly been following the thread closely enough to comment on which posts other people have been talking about




Ooh ooh and I just saw this:


woo, giving advice and not following it! This is a decent paradigm! But he himself has no reads except town reads and


All that said, I still am willing to give him leeway if this bad-plan-thing turns out to be roleplaying, or if his play veers towards the townie in the future.

So the answer to your question, VE, is: Right now I'm leaning scum on him, but I feel better about my oatsmaster case so I'm sticking to that.

On March 11 2013 05:13 supersoft wrote:
the only roleplay i do, is keeping calm when you dare to call my plans bad :-)

On March 11 2013 05:01 strongandbig wrote:
oatsmaster is the master of scummy, evil oats

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Exhibit One: Scum Are Inconsistent And Go After Easy Targets


So he starts out with a decent reason to be suspicious of iamperfection - big list post, not involved like his usual meta.
But then we see him latch on to mocsta for some reason:




+ Show Spoiler [mocsta's posts the page before t…] +

Really? Oatsmaster thinks that's not "spammy" or "jovial," and that it's different enough from mocsta's jovial and spammy meta to earn a vote? I don't buy it. Then there's some stupid back and forth between oats and mocsta, and then oats goes on to looking at other stuff.

But look at the difference between how oats interacted with suspicion on iamperfection and suspicion on mocsta. He claimed that they were both not playing to their town metas, but whereas at the time iamperfection actually wasn't matching his meta, oats's portrayal of mocsta's behavior this game was both curt and inaccurate. Plus, iamperfection had the bad listy intro post, which oats also claimed he was suspicious of.

Then a bit later in the filter, we get this:


nonono seriously? no explanation of how the actions in the thread since the initial vote influences the read? No explanation of why people should still be going after mocsta?

So what's the difference between iamperfection and mocsta? Well, simply put - one of them is a much easier target. Iamperfection does tend to attract some suspicion as town, so he's a safe target for dispersed suspicion, but he's better-known and more veteran than mocsta, and therefore more likely to be influential and a more dangerous target for scum to go all in on. Mocsta, on the other hand, is someone I've never heard of before and therefore a newer player, plus from his behavior this game he seems less focused and srsbsns than iamperfection in response to suspicion.

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Exhibit Two: Scum Love To Give Good Advice To Town, But Hate To Follow It
This is something I started looking for in the couple of games before I stopped playing for a while. "advice posts", be they long or short, are easy for scum to do, as is complaining about how the town is behaving. However, when a townie gives advice or criticism to/of the town in general, it means they care enough about that particular issue or problem to try to get everyone to focus on it. That also means they'll be thinking about it in their own posts. Basically: Townies follow their own advice, scum don't.

We have Oats's very first post:

Personal attacks bad, back-and-forth bad, non-alignment indicative stuff bad. Okay, those are all good things for townies to be thinking about. We can summarize this as "don't engage in personal bitchfights because they distract the thread and don't help demonstrate that you're town."

So how does Oats do putting his posts where his mouth is?
He starts off spamming around and not engaging the thread:
+ Show Spoiler +
Then he gets into a personal-attack bitchfight with mocsta
+ Show Spoiler +
Then there's some personal bitching at acro:
+ Show Spoiler +
And Kurumi
+ Show Spoiler +
Then we get another piece of "town advice"


Okay sure - if you aren't presenting and pushing your reads, then you're scum. Not always true but a completely valid way to play as town. If we combine that with Oatsmaster's earlier complaints about personal attacks and non-alignment-indicative fluff and bickering, we get a pretty strong philosophy of town play.
One that is absolutely nothing like how oatsmaster has been playing this game. Go back and look again at the posts I put in the spoilers above about him getting into personal bitchfights. There's the Mocsta stuff, where we learn that Oats "has a read" and that his read is "mocsta is scum because he's not jovial or spammy", followed by like five unnecessary other posts as Oats lets himself be drawn into you-said you-said with mocsta. But other than that one post, and one post where he says he has a read on iamperfection, what discussion of his reads do we get? What reads do we get at all, other than the two "scum reads" he made in like his first three posts based on the first few pages of the game? What interaction with all the new information that's come up in the thread?

What does Oats think about Kurumi and WBG? Given how much he wants substantive posts involving reads, you'd think he would have told us his reads on them at some point during the several posts he makes about them and aimed at them. But nope - we don't. In fact, he goes out of his way to avoid pointing to either of them as scum:
+ Show Spoiler +

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His only "reads" are ill-thought out, ill-explained, and inconsistent.
He complains / gives advice about the prevalence of certain specific poor townplay practices, then engages in exactly those practices himself.
These are both characteristic scum behaviors and both have clear scum motivations.

Oatsmaster is scum.
##vote: Oatsmaster

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On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:


so, if you're intent on being lynched, why don't you tell us what your role is?

hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia.

By far the most interesting result of the case is that Corazon agrees with it, despite having played with Oats before (more than once I think?).

Corazon, why don't you tell me in your own words why you think Oats is mafia, why don't you tell me how Oats' play is different this game than in Hiro's game. thanks bish.

On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:
hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today and to be honest I only barely skimmed your case. $10 says that what you said is probably valid, but it doesn't make Oats mafia.

On March 11 2013 07:08 marvellosity wrote:
hi s&b. we're not lynching Oats today

On March 11 2013 07:30 Kurumi wrote:

See, even the jub jub who i am supposed to be agrees about killing me

On March 11 2013 07:35 marvellosity wrote:
just looks and feels like town oats so far, s&b