EPTNewbie Mini Mafia XXXVII
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@ mocsta 1) I have played mafia before a long time ago 2) right now on the lynch I would like to hear from everyone 3) lurker over null 4) scum over lurker I think we need to not discuss peoples past games this early its really hard to make a read based on meta on D1 because of how little information we have to look at I understand on most day ones there really isnt anything else to talk about but this day one has a good bit of information so far and talking about past games is just adding stuff that is pure WIFOM which I agree is not helpful to good town play. its pretty much useless to everyone but scum. | ||
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catching up on the thread will be able to post opinions shorty. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 12 2013 05:12 Sn0_Man wrote: Thats a long-ass filter you just asked me to read. The short version: He made a post a while back about the difference between lynching bad town and scum, which was spot on and actually was quite opposite of what scum would be telling noobs. Plus I think that he could easily have gotten away with a much more deceptive, scum motivated theory that I don't think town would have properly analysed. Plus he has avoided making super-ultra-ridiculously BS cases (something he did a lot of last time I played with him). It isn't that I have a strong town read, but I'm definitely leaning town here. Plus I still want to lynch a lurker today and slim this down to a game where everybody is contributing. BTW Glurio is squarely on my list of lurkers right now at 2 posts (no better than the 0-posters). I bolded the odd part. Why wouldn't scum tell the town what exactly they should be looking for and just avoid exactly these things? Since Sn0 spotted the seemingly non-scum-motivated theory how come he thinks he wouldn't have spotted the much more deceptive scum-motivated theory? this is straight up WIFOM which as i think we established earlier helps scum more and is distracting to town So I would up my game if i roll scum again, but i'm not so i'm a scummy lurker? What? That doesn't even make sense. If I up my game now am i scum? If i won't i'm a scummy lurker? WIFOM and now your against WIFOM after pointing it out earlier? Now let's get to all the lurker posts, i won't quote them all, just read the filter it's most of his posts. It's the easiest thing in the world to point to lurker. Be it the no-post lurker or the few-post lurker which, according to sn0, are actually worse then the no-post lurker. Everyone can do it. I can just look into the thread every hour, post something about the guy with the lowest post count, tell everyone he only has X posts. After that i start pointing out the other lurkers, because hey don't forget about them. And then theres always the thing about recent games where at some point of the game one of the scum players lurked. If you really want me to do that, it wouldn't be a problem, but i try to actually contribute something with my posts. Not bury my filter in useless posts about lurkers. what does this actually say? im not active lurker so im not scum? I feel like your defense here is also WIFOM because you could obviously use that defense to justify real lurking. so from your case I'm getting a theme of you not saying anything substantial other than counting his posts which is scum behavior ##FOS Glurio | ||
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- why did he show all of snos post hes just trying to look like hes trying hard to scumhunt, but is the same as if we just read his filter. -his question about the bolded part of one of snos posts " Why wouldn't scum tell the town what exactly they should be looking for and just avoid exactly these things?" is just useless rhetoric and he obviously isnt trying to achieve anything with it -hes also defending himself when no case or anything was made against him so hes preemptively getting ready to be accused by pretending to have gotten attacked. lastly while he made a big case that doesnt say much he still has barely any posts so hes doing exactly what he claimed not be doing which is actively lurk. Glurio is scum ##vote: Glurio | ||
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On February 13 2013 00:07 glurio wrote: [/b]This you got wrong. Since WoS was the only one who actually called me out on my crappy case on Sn0, i have a slight town read on him. I actually wanted to see if Mandalor has got the same idea by now. ("WoS got it right", to quote myself) the only one? do you have anything to say in reply to my post? also you say you made your case only because you said you would. why would you make a case you know is weak except to try and appear like your contributing when your obviously not. | ||
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On February 13 2013 02:50 glurio wrote: Well i feel like you are really tunneling me. Nothing i'll do will please you. If i post less, i'm scum, if i get more active i changed my meta, still scum. What do you want from me? Right now i try to ask questions in mandalors direction. If he simply doesn't answer and does not give me anything to work with i really can't make a case on him right now. Are you really asking here what you can do to not be considered scum? To everyone else I am going to work and am not sure if I will be able to be on again before the vote. I will be leaving my vote on glurio because he seems the scummiest to me right now. | ||
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The only reason you think im scum is because you think a lurker is scum and while I know I havn't been very active which I will be fixing over the next days I have to ask. Why just me and glurio? your just looking at whats blaring in your face and not the whole picture. I had the confidence to share my read and kill glurios case why would scum do that? You talk about when during the day I posted my case like people normally post cases early day one when there is nothing to read which is kind of irrelavant because I posted my case after I read and reread his case. I'm going to bed now but Will be up tomorrow and will be ready to provide my opinions and takes on yesterdays last minute activity and the night that fight. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On February 13 2013 09:44 Sn0_Man wrote: You aren't helping yourself glurio. I think I may be willing to vote Sylencia, but my read on him is Blue or Scum, not green. I read somewhere that people who seem withdrawn and preoccupied with blue roles (like Syl was when we talked about WB's pseudo-blue claim) are often blue themselves. (Somewhere is in Ver's analysis of XXX). I really didn't want to lynch Syl because he might flip blue but his contributions haven't really been in line with what I would hope a town member would try to bring to the table. So basically, I'm willing to consolidate on Syl but I want you guys to understand the risk that he flips blue is decently high IMO. On February 13 2013 06:54 Sn0_Man wrote: Between the two of these it looks like you are saying "I'm blue but I'm not gonna out and say it". VTs traditionally have no real problem mentioning that they are VT (afaik?). You are more like "I'm town, but I won't tell you what special kind of town". Which means you are a special kind. Which is a soft claim. Even if you didn't mean it that way, at least half the thread read it that way. On February 13 2013 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote: There we go! See, I can think of an explanation for most of what Syl is doing, but I'm not going to call you out if you can't. I think WB soft-claimed, but I can definitely see how others think he didn't. I like you you picked a name, gave a real reason that was consistent with your earlier posts, and didn't even need to make it too long. Obviously this doesn't prove you are town but it certainly helps your chances of not being lynched today. For now, I won't ask more but keep in mind that we expect more of THIS POST as often as is reasonable for you to manage (I know its time consuming). On February 13 2013 06:56 Sn0_Man wrote: To further explain WB, the fact that you even went so far as to mention roles and blue and whatever looks bad. "I'm Town" looks fine and doesn't claim VT or blue, but "I won't tell you my role (other than I'm town)" looks leading/breadcrumby/soft-claim. Now I know this is kind of contradictory for me to post this night one but I was looking for someone to make a case on and tbh this is all I really noticed on you and figured I should share my thoughts before everyone assumed I had gone full on lurker when I'm really in the middle of my two busiest work days. so while you not super scummy to me I would like to know why you keep pointing this out. In my opinion you should have saved this for day2 discussion at the very least. | ||
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