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@Mocsta: 1. Scum > Scummy Lurker > Lurker > No-Lynch. Lynching scummy players always go first, this is a no-brainer. The rest is logical too. I don't like no-lynching. 2. Whatever. It's great that you want to start discussion by questioning everyone on everything, but a bit more statements from you, instead of questions to others would be appreciated. @bringaniga: Your play is annoying, aggravating, and idiotic. It sounds highly aggressive (which isn't a problem per se, but still hard to adapt in a newbie game). At least explain your reasons why you play this way, and start to actually contribute something instead of teasing and then pulling out. @Oatsmaster: In parts, the same thing applies to you. If you want to play that aggressive, contribute something useful. Your Mocsta-case is dumb and obviously defensive. Chill out or explain why this is a good way to play (I have no clue how to work with that, I know there are very aggressive (town-) players here, but I have no experience with that). What I gathered is, that Mocsta plays this way. This does not mean he is town, but neither does it tell you he is scum. He played the same way as town in my game with him. Your case is dumb and weak, but it's still 24h to our first lynch, so I'll let it slip. If you contiune to play that way, I'll vote for you (or bringa). | ||
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#Vote: bringaniga Please answer me and defend yourself. | ||
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On January 13 2013 14:20 Oatsmaster wrote: This game man.. Explain why you voted me in detail please Mocsta. It feels like you are relying on your previous town games to give you an automatic town read. About a townie throwing their vote in reckless abandon, please read newbie mafia XXXI. I don't think I'm doing it this game though :/ I have voted my scumread and I either push your lynch, or lay off you because I think that you are town. At the moment, YOUR OMGUS vote on me isn't convincing me. Everyone else, comment on the situation please. You are the one UMGUS'ing, or? | ||
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Please refrain from going into victim mode. If he is out to lynch you, prove him wrong by defending and doing what you think is best. Don't play the victim. @Oats: Since you are active, what do you think about others? Even if Mocsta is your #1 read atm, what about bring? the lurkers? Sno? @Omni: On January 13 2013 18:00 OmniEulogy wrote: @Shz On the other side of things, as much as some of his posts annoy me and I agree he hasn't contributed much of anything, I believe I can see a town mindset behind what he has been saying. It's very clouded though and I can probably attribute that to his posting style. He starts off trying to get people to post (null) It's good for town but not very hard to do early on in the game. Or at any point really. He also tries to say that he thinks both Mocsta and Oats are town (I think) and that they are just butting heads because they have posted the most and it's easiest to make cases this early on people who have posted. It's very hard to get a read on nothing. So although I wouldn't mind seeing him try to explain himself like a normal person and answer some of the questions that have been addressed to him I can see a small townie vibe from what little I believe he has said. Anyway I just woke up, its 4am I'll be back after making some toast if anybody is around  Of course. I would be scared shitless if a scum plays this trolli and obnoxious from the get go. This is super easy to blow up in your face, but what if he is that gutsy? Does it help to have him around even if he is town? This is threesr all over again. | ||
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On January 13 2013 21:34 OmniEulogy wrote: @Shz last thing before I take off till this afternoon, I'll be back with 4-5 hours remaining before the lynch. I believe I'll have a better/worse opinion of Bringaniga as we get closer to the deadline. So far he's shown that he has been reading everything and has been active. If he can start contributing along with that I'll have no problem with him. As far as I know he's just been waiting for more information on people. He has a bit more now so he should be able to piece something together, I'm not overwhelmingly happy with how things have gone so far but I'm hoping the guys in EU pick it up today. If not I'm actually entertaining the idea of playing russian roulette with them and the scummiest lurker gets the bullet. On January 14 2013 06:29 OmniEulogy wrote: Shz has voted for Bringaniga because he was annoying, not because he was scum. In my mind this is not a town motivated vote. It is a vote on somebody easy to target by scum. He hasn't contributed to very much at all, and instead has either asked very simplistic questions, answered the first few questions but mostly attacked players on their stances early on and hasn't done anything since then. It is a large change from my game with him in XXXIII and the fact that he has not contributed since then also makes me worried. I believe you are taking the easy way out by voting for Bringaniga, voting for one of the "easy" lynch candidates. Town should be scum hunting and trying to discuss leads with each other. Not voting because somebody is annoying who you yourself even said it is unlikely for him to be scum. ##Vote: Shz At that moment all he did was troll the shit out of everyone. While this can be town motivated and would be extremly guttsy to do as scum, this is fucked up to do, especially in a newbie game. This isn't okay and should be punished. At that moment I didn't have any good scum reads, so of course I'm gonna start by voting a player which trolls and sabotages town. I don't think meta'ing too hard is gonna help much, this is my second game. But I did that to a extend too with Mocsta. Still I think this is not a very good move to make, but this is day 1, all we have is meta for a big part. New development happend and I'll comment on this in a moment. On January 13 2013 23:58 Mocsta wrote: shz (1) Are you advocating this lynch because you find him annoying as town, or because you have a genuine scum read on him? If you think his motivations are town, is this not lazy voting? If you think he is scum, can you please share your reasoning. (2) What do you make of the play from Glurio. I ask because you are both from Germany, I assume you will have the best chance to communicate with him. I think we need more from him, I ask that you please lead the discussion. On 1, pretty much what I just said. On 2: How can I say anything about that guy? He contributed excactly: nothing. One post to say he's been busy (which is perfectly fine) and then lurk back in the shadows for the rest of the day and still continues to do. On bringaniga: My intent was that he starts to contribute already and quit the trolling. Maybe the way he played/plays is alright in general, but this confused me and I wanted him to quit. And I still don't see a big problem with that. Even if he is town, this does not help us at all, and the sooner we get rid off people like that, the sooner we can have a good environment which allows to focus on scummier players. He kinda did stop his act and trolling, as he seems to be a smurf of a more experienced player. Of course we'll have to see what his replacement will do. So until then: ##Unvote | ||
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glurio still lurking hardcore. But there are better, active, lynches around at the moment. Sno is a interesting case. He was very active before the game and aks so many questions about possibilities, also seemed very eager to start. After the game started he stirred shit up and left. What the fuck? But with three hours to lynch, and still lurking he is another candidate for a modkill. Will refrain from voting him for now. Oats actually stepped up a bit. This is not a town read, but at least he is contributing. Mandalors defense is actually pretty reasonable, and I don't think Mocsta's case sticks for now. I'm willing to see what the next night and day will bring before lynching him. Laguerta is very suspicous. He contributed nothing, just asked random questions, OMGUS voting and then voting for a no-lynch. How does this help? Also his votes are baseless at the moment. ##Vote: Laguerta I think this is the best lynch at the moment. No defense, no explanation. If nothing changes in the next three hours (or aslong as I'm awake) I'll stick with that. You still have time to defend yourself properly. | ||
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Oh, and welcome Glurio... | ||
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On January 14 2013 10:36 Trotske wrote: I don't think laguerta is scum you guys are pushing a lynch claiming scum when he looks a lot more like a bad townie with no experience and is lazy. what is with this bandwagon on someone who might as well be a lurker In fact a lurker would be a better lynch. I am going to keep my vote on the person who started this ridiculous vote. I can understand that, but what if Sno is actually gonna get modkilled? Could also be a bad town who lost interest in this game very quickly. | ||
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On January 14 2013 10:43 Trotske wrote: What does sn0 getting modkilled have to do with laguerta being a bad lynch. you say you understand but didn't change your vote? For me laguarta is up there with sno on my scum-scala. So I go with the one I know is not getting modkilled. Of course bad town is a probability, it always is. | ||
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On January 14 2013 11:41 Sn0_Man wrote: ##Vote: Mocsta Lol, wtf. | ||
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On January 14 2013 12:30 OmniEulogy wrote: In fact, it was mentioned earlier... not enough of a fight from mafia to keep Laguerta in the game... the fact that the only two votes that aren't on him are on two different people makes me highly doubt they are both mafia either... guys I think we fucked this up ##Unvote And 1,5h later, laguerta is not dead, but Mandalor, the vanilla town. Was this the bus you were waiting for? On January 14 2013 12:13 Mocsta wrote: My vote is sticking on La Guerta. I cant let it go that he lied. it is punishable by lynch. How the fuck does this post convince you (after you said you can't get over the fact, laguerta lied) that Mandalor was scum? This post adds nothing new, that wasn't said before. How can you agree then 1(!) minute before lynch? Also: On January 14 2013 13:12 Mocsta wrote: Look.. obviously I rode the train and hammered the vote. Ask what you need to ask. Im going to take a walk, and clear my thoughts, and will respond to your questions when I get back. On January 14 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote: So far, the play from Sn0_man hasnt done anything to suggest zebezt was wrong in naming him as a scum read. If I am confirmation biased with this assessment, let me know? Because I have done my best to take a step back here and consider the information. Stop playing the victim card. If you are confirmation biased, people will tell you. You also obivously fucked this up, and people will tell you. Stop victimizing yourself in an attempt to look innocent. This will not fly. Just because you leave yourself an out with "am I biased?", "I admit I messed up" you are not less suspicious if this backfires. I would love to answer how glurios post actually changed your mind one minute before lynch with nothing new added to the table? | ||
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On January 14 2013 13:11 Oatsmaster wrote: well, although we lynched a townie(not good) I think that it was a productive lynch and WE NEED to look back at it. How was this productive? What did you learn from that? On January 14 2013 16:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Shz, thoughts on the lynch? What is your top scumread now? I'm still with laguerta for now. As I learned, you don't make associations before a scum-flip, so let's ignore that for now. But I'm honestly baffled how people complain about that laguerta isn't getting bussed, and then proceed to bus him (as town or scum). On January 14 2013 12:34 Mocsta wrote: Well.. if you wanted to swap.. im not comfortable with zebezt I read his filter, and OK, he is not the most "direct" scum hunter, but we already have Oatsmaster for that role.. I see him as a townie.. and its got nothign to do with him agreeing with some of my concerns. In fact, he actually questioned me regarding a few. Also.. he didnt share TOWN reads (like some individuals) he shared SCUM reads... remember.. its alot harder for scum to present scum reads as they are openly lying... Town or scum can produce a town read and feel true to themselves. Why is it, all of a sudden, okay that someone is the "most direct" scum hunter? And why are you giving him town-cred for not sharing town reads, when you do it in the same post yourself? | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:00 Oatsmaster wrote: Shz is playing the newbie town card first, then threatens to vote me for being bad, not scum. This is not a townie way to play... Why does he feel the need to emphasis that I am improving but also emphasis that I may be scum? Because he wants to have the option to lynch me. This post is so fucking useless, his top scumread posts a vote and thats all he can say? He never outrightly pushes Sno as a lynch candidate, and as a result, he doesnt become a lynch candidate. In his filter, he doesnt actually scumhunt, he lets other people do the scumhunting for him I threatend you for being detrimental to town cause. Whether you are actually scum or not, this behaviour didn't help at all. You stepped it up, but that doesn't mean you are town for the rest of the game. This means you stopped being bad, and at least tried (or look trying) to be helpful. This post was a shock, as I was on my way to bed thinking Sno lost interesting and is getting modkilled anyway, then he just votes withouth ANY contribution. This was a "Lol, wtf" moment. He later did actually post, but by that time I was in bed. I stated clearly why I did not push Sno. Because he was an hour away from being modkilled. I will look out for him now, as he also said that we wants to contribute more. | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Shz, the amount of activity near the lynch is good because its harder for scum to coordinate and makes it easier for us to see whether the vote switches were town motivated or scum motivated So, what did you learn from that? | ||
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On January 14 2013 17:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Since I disliked his playing style I hoped for a modkill So you dont think that he would be useful? Losing town members is never good, so do you think Acid and Glurio should be modkilled too? Scum want to reduce the number of townies, town wants all the townies to be useful. Zebezt sounds like scum. I did not hoped, I anticipated one. Don't put words in my mouth. Why waste a vote on a modkilled player, when there is another good target to lynch? Acid and glurio weren't on their way to a modkill, and I don't have them high on my scum-list atm. As I said, laguerta and Sno. Are mine atm, and as long as this doesn't changes, I'll look at them both. | ||
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