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Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 09 2013 00:50 GMT
#66
/in

looking forward to it.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 12 2013 04:22 GMT
#172
On January 12 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote:


1) Stance on Lurkers: i.e. Do you policy lynch?


yes because we don't need inactive townies it does not help the town at all not to have everyone contributing because the more we get scum to talk the more they can give away.
On January 12 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote:

2) How do you think scum would try to get influence with us?



can you explain what you mean by influence?
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 12 2013 05:12 GMT
#178
On January 12 2013 14:04 Sn0_Man wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 13:13 Mocsta wrote:
My answers to own questions

On January 12 2013 13:09 Mocsta wrote:
1) Stance on Lurkers: i.e. Do you policy lynch?

Yes, if there is no strong scum read, vote off a lurker. If we create a good town environment, where people can contribute and not be scared, there should be no lurkers. That is my goal this game!

2) How do you think scum would try to get influence with us?

From what I have seen in my 2 games, it depends on the person. Some have lurked hardcore, some have given minimal contributions.

If we have a solid town atmosphere, and people can share opinions freely, I am sure we can reduce the influence!

3) [fluff] DONT BUY A POOL. I wasted all my time today with pools and hate it !

AGREED!

I won't be around for the next 6 to 8 hrs (DAMN POOL!)



1) If somebody is super-lurky, they obviously aren't helping town much. I'm not lynching a lurker over a scummy player though.

2) With posts just like your one above

3) You live in australia doesn't that shit just evaporate? What are water bills like down there? I have a cousin visiting australia atm (Melbourne I think).



In answer to your second point I feel that you are flat wrong most scum probably won't start up the towns conversation for them asking what they shouldn't do. Please tell me why it is scummy.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 12 2013 05:44 GMT
#180
On January 12 2013 14:22 Sn0_Man wrote:
I'm not denying, discussion is good/important and if nobody starts it scum autowin. However, if a scum can get control of town fast, they almost instawin. As a gambit, it seems fair since people like you are jumping in to defend him pretty fast.

Plus, the use of the word "us" is a pretty ingratiating town claim to make in your first post (if town thinks of mocsta as "us" then he is pretty happy). Either way, that post felt like the opening gambit of a scum whose plan was to utterly control town. Obviously there are other ways to read it, I'm not voting mocsta here (yet).

Additionally, the way the 2nd question is asked almost makes me think he is asking "Tell me your scumhunting plans so that I know what you are thinking about and what I can avoid".

My 2c


How would you have started the town conversation and not fallen into the points you make I would have made a post similar to his.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 12 2013 22:05 GMT
#213
On January 13 2013 05:30 bringaniga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 04:38 Mandalor wrote:
I was at a friend's birthday party yesterday and I'm still very much hung over.
I'll just answer the questions briefly and promise I'll be more active tomorrow.

1) No, not a fan of policy lynching. It doesn't give us any information whatsoever. Even if we lynch a townie D1, we have a list of people who voted for him and we have people defending or accusing the guy. Looking for scum should be our top priority, always.
I would only favor a lurker lynch if we can not come up with a good case.

2) That said, after observing the past two newbie games, I feel that the quiet guys are more likely to be scum. We'll have to pressure them to help us. I am yet to see a very outspoken scum player orchestrating town play in a newbie game. We should keep an eye open for players with low post count and most importantly a low amount of quality posts, wishy-washy reads ("maybe, perhaps, in theory he could maybe be scum") and zero own cases.

This contribution is insufficient. I still require 20 words from you on any topic other than questionaire answers.


Can you please explain what all your posts are about? your new scum hunting techniques have made it so I have not seen a single post from you that was useful at all.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 12 2013 22:45 GMT
#222
On January 13 2013 07:23 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2013 07:05 Trotske wrote:
On January 13 2013 05:30 bringaniga wrote:
On January 13 2013 04:38 Mandalor wrote:
I was at a friend's birthday party yesterday and I'm still very much hung over.
I'll just answer the questions briefly and promise I'll be more active tomorrow.

1) No, not a fan of policy lynching. It doesn't give us any information whatsoever. Even if we lynch a townie D1, we have a list of people who voted for him and we have people defending or accusing the guy. Looking for scum should be our top priority, always.
I would only favor a lurker lynch if we can not come up with a good case.

2) That said, after observing the past two newbie games, I feel that the quiet guys are more likely to be scum. We'll have to pressure them to help us. I am yet to see a very outspoken scum player orchestrating town play in a newbie game. We should keep an eye open for players with low post count and most importantly a low amount of quality posts, wishy-washy reads ("maybe, perhaps, in theory he could maybe be scum") and zero own cases.

This contribution is insufficient. I still require 20 words from you on any topic other than questionaire answers.


Can you please explain what all your posts are about? your new scum hunting techniques have made it so I have not seen a single post from you that was useful at all.

Trotske,

I agree his posts are ermm.. "diffferent?"..
however, there are still to my knowledge 3 participants who have not contributed at all.






Acid, Shz, Glurio



@Trotske
Since you are here, I may as well try to generate some meaningful discussion.

(1)
Do you think it was reasonable to mention to Sn0_Man and Oatsmaster that their over-agressive/paranoid type early-game playstyle might actually be preventing people from talking (including the 3 I listed above)?

(2)
Do you think that behaviour is a normal town approach to the game?


1. Yea I think it is very easy to intimidate people into thinking they shouldn't post because they might get fingers pointed at them for doing something like starting the conversation that needed to get started anyway or defending someone who they claim is scummy. I think it makes a bad town mindset for getting as much information about everyone was we can if townies are not as eager to post.

2. I think it hurts town so I don't think it is normal if town wants to win but I don't have alot of experience and have pretty much just read some guides.

Oh and to your first point I would say fluff posts are just as bad as not posting at all because it just distracts from the real posts that people need to read and I havn't seen bringaniga post anything that wasn't as waste of my time to read.

Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 12 2013 23:39 GMT
#227
On January 13 2013 08:14 bringaniga wrote:
Silence, doubters! I trained for years at the University of Zurich under the most expert tutelage of Professor Gottfried Wielkes. Do not presume to pressure me.

The procedure originally was to present my preliminary solutions at the 24 hour mark. However to work properly my algorithms require certain conditions to be met. As I have stated earlier in detail, the conditions entail a minimum amount of submitted content from each player.
Regrettably these conditions have not yet been met.
The procedure may have to be modified.


Your posts are driving me crazy can we get a straight reply please.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 13 2013 19:21 GMT
#332
I was asleep then out shopping, I Am catching up on the last four pages then will post my take on the more scummy people / lurkers.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 13 2013 19:55 GMT
#333
First I'm going to respond to Mandalor and his read about me.
On January 14 2013 00:49 Mandalor wrote:
Please read my my post concerning my reads on them again.
They show standard scum traits:
* low quality posts, no reads
* lurky, but not to a point where they're completely inactive


I feel that my posts are pretty good when it comes to Quality and I don't care about Quantity because I feel that if I post fluff it is useless and posting just so people won't try to lynch me is not pro town. I felt the I didn't have anything to contribute earlier and then went to bed before like 4 pages of posts came up I

I feel that lynching anyone day1 that is active is a waste because the more they talk the more likely there will be a scum slip.

The person I want to lynch as of right now is Sn0_man.

Sn0_man made a bad environment at the start of the game by attacking players instead of answering questions polity and then hasn't posted in the last 36 hours? Not only is that lurking that also scummy and then not active make him the most useless player in the game only hurting town the leaving.

##Vote Sn0_Man

This may change if he posts more before the deadline.

I don't have much of a read on a lot of other people but If bringaniga doesn't shape up his game I want to lynch him or one of the other full time professional lurkers aka Acid or glurio.



I would like to wait to go after the more active players until we can build stronger cases on them.
I am honestly having a hard time deciding who looks scummy I plan on going in depth on the people who have posted more in the next few hours
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 13 2013 20:24 GMT
#340
On January 14 2013 05:12 Mandalor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 03:04 bringaniga wrote:
The following players have not met the word count minimum and must be replaced or terminated in indiscriminate order:
Acid~
glurio
bringaniga
Approximately two hours before the end of day 1, I will submit a vote for whichever of the above three have the most votes at the time.

My methods are complex, remember! Players who refuse to participate exponentially compound my uncertainty.



So, basically apart from trolling, you want to lynch a lurker which gives us 0 information. I'm not a huge fan of lynching annoying people to get rid of them, but you make a damn good case for it.

##Vote: bringaniga

Shape up and I'll change my vote.


How do you feel about sn0_man and my case for him.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 13 2013 21:09 GMT
#347
going to get something to eat will be back in like an hour can someone please post the reasons for the laguerta votes.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 13 2013 21:16 GMT
#348
for some reason I Thought there were more votes on laguerta

bringaniga lets assume you are not going to get modkilled please tell me why you like laguerta more than sn0_man.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 13 2013 22:52 GMT
#371
On January 14 2013 07:47 Mocsta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 07:33 OmniEulogy wrote:
I think I'd like Shz to comment on my accusations and give us his reads on the situation and defend himself, if he doesn't I'm not sure if my vote will move or not but I get a confused townie vibe off mandalor. Do we know if this is his first mafia game? If it is I can easily see consistent patterns between how I thought during my first game and what he has been doing. However that doesn't take anything away from the fact that he hasn't contributed very much. More than a few people in this game though.


I dont think shz will be here to answer unfortunately...

unfortunate because I WANT the answers too, but I cant hold a 5am deadline against him ...We just may have to pursue this guy Night 1/Day2. and work with the best we have currently.

Show nested quote +
On January 12 2013 02:42 shz wrote:
Will the starting time be the same as lynch deadline? If so, I'll probably not going to make it most of the time. 5 am here.



You make some pretty good points about Mandalor though I do have to defend him about the not playing in over a year as I also have played more than three games but they were well over a year ago and I feel that its not at all like riding a bike.

Depending on how he responds to your posts I am prepared to vote for him for lynch.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 13 2013 23:55 GMT
#397
@Acid How is Zebezt a better lynch than sn0_man.

Also your post
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 14 2013 08:34 Acid~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 08:24 Mocsta wrote:
Lol so u come in the thread after 40hrs of no post and start slinging shit.

Why dont u start to earn some town cred before questioning myself and zebezt.

U can start by addressing the questions i and others put forward to you in your prolonged absence.

U will then be in a position where i can respond to your qustions.


There were no questions that were "put to me", you just asked me to post and I did.

So, now I have to "earn" town cred before I'm allowed to play? Oh please, pretty please, can I play with you Mr mayor?

I find this attitude pretty fucking hypocritical coming from a guy who attacked someone else earlier supposedly because they were intimidating others into not participating.

This shit you're trying to pull right there, not only is it exactly the kind of behavior you attacked in others, it's also textbook ad-hominem.

So, please, with sugar on top, answer the fucking question. Maybe you'll manage to post your first line of useful content.



seemed to be aimed at getting people emotional near the lynch deadline and you need to stop it now because that won't help people make informed lynch decisions. that post was 100% pointless unless you want to get people emotional.

Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 13 2013 23:59 GMT
#398
Oh and if you were away for the weekend after you responded to the confirmation PM why didn't you post in the thread saying you wouldn't be available right away if it started soon.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 14 2013 00:31 GMT
#402
Can we get a vote count please?
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 14 2013 00:48 GMT
#404
On January 14 2013 07:01 laguerta wrote:
Umm bringaniga voted for me and then I voted for him to defend myself and also because vote thing is running out and i dont know who to vote for yet.


I think this post is of a really really bad town player who thinks he needs to defend himself with votes on other people and I think that Mandalor is trying to kill a bad townie. So for that and the post Macosta made stating the reasons for lynching him I am going to change my vote.

##Unvote
##Vote Mandalor
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 14 2013 01:36 GMT
#412
I don't think laguerta is scum you guys are pushing a lynch claiming scum when he looks a lot more like a bad townie with no experience and is lazy.

what is with this bandwagon on someone who might as well be a lurker In fact a lurker would be a better lynch. I am going to keep my vote on the person who started this ridiculous vote.
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 14 2013 01:43 GMT
#415
On January 14 2013 10:38 shz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2013 10:36 Trotske wrote:
I don't think laguerta is scum you guys are pushing a lynch claiming scum when he looks a lot more like a bad townie with no experience and is lazy.

what is with this bandwagon on someone who might as well be a lurker In fact a lurker would be a better lynch. I am going to keep my vote on the person who started this ridiculous vote.


I can understand that, but what if Sno is actually gonna get modkilled? Could also be a bad town who lost interest in this game very quickly.



What does sn0 getting modkilled have to do with laguerta being a bad lynch. you say you understand but didn't change your vote?
Trotske
Profile Joined August 2010
410 Posts
January 14 2013 01:49 GMT
#418
On January 14 2013 10:41 Mocsta wrote:
Guys im back.. farkn hell, being promoted


Umm.. look.. i had a read through just then and cant believe I missed out on La Guerta lying about the no lynch. I first thought it was just a scared newbie play, but that he answered before he was against it.. clear scared SCUM play.

Good work guys
##Unvote: Manlador (I still question aspects of your play.. but we cant let a participant lie openly, so will follow up with you Night 1/Day 2)

##Vote: La Guerta - Lying is not acceptable as a townie or SCUM. This in itself is grounds for lynch.



Acid, I had a think about my post to you. I admit it was venomous and not constructive.

You have to realise at the time, noone was consolidating votes, I think at least 5 people had votes on them and when you came in, it just made things even more confusing.
Now that I have had a breather (and a pay rise ), I am going to answer your questions in my following post.

I welcome all contributions, and certainly do not want to deter yours.




Can you quote the lie I don't see it on the filter please.
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