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Grapefruit
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany439 Posts
December 03 2012 12:52 GMT
#1
Hey TL, it has been quite a while since we got the last TLPD Win Rates and it doesn't look like they are coming very soon.

So, I figured someone had to do the work, and I hope you appreciate it, because it really took quite a while to go trough all these games.

Well, without any further ado, here it is:

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There's nothing really special to note, except that there was a tendency that most of the TvP wins were gotten in the later stages of the tournaments by a relatively small number of players (you know which ones I talk about).

I kept all the data, so I might continue this if I manage to find the time for it.

Enjoy.
Starcraft 2 is funny, everybody picks the race, which he considers to be the weakest. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 03 2012 13:02 GMT
#2
That's a great effort, must have taken a lot of work.

You may want to change the coloring of the last three win-rate circles. You could make it blue/red/yellow-grey (the colors commonly associated with the three races) to better make visible the win-rates for the different races.
LexKaiba
Profile Joined May 2011
Ireland23 Posts
December 03 2012 13:05 GMT
#3
Thanks, fantastic work!
Zerg!!!!!!
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 03 2012 13:06 GMT
#4
surprised that zvp is so close, must be all those parting foreigner stomps haha

thanks for the work!
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Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
December 03 2012 13:07 GMT
#5
not too suprised about the tvz win rates
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 13:08:59
December 03 2012 13:07 GMT
#6
I feel the ZvP stat is a bit misleading because several of these tournaments were lacking top Korean zergs. If any of Life, Leenock, Violet, Sniper, Hyun, Symbol etc. had have attended WCG, Dreamhack, WCS and IEM these stats would have been much different.
But thanks anyway!
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 13:09:54
December 03 2012 13:08 GMT
#7
On December 03 2012 22:06 opterown wrote:
surprised that zvp is so close, must be all those parting foreigner stomps haha

thanks for the work!

Mid-game imba vs late-game imba make for a balanced match-up, it would seem.

But here comes the explanations for why protoss is actually weak versus zerg, despite the results.
onPHYRE
Profile Joined October 2010
Bulgaria923 Posts
December 03 2012 13:09 GMT
#8
Interesting charts. I am not suprised to see P>Z despite all the protoss tears...
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
December 03 2012 13:11 GMT
#9
On December 03 2012 22:09 onPHYRE wrote:
Interesting charts. I am not suprised to see P>Z despite all the protoss tears...


ZvP has been the most balanced matchup stats wise for ages now, that's not what people are complaining about..
malaan
Profile Joined September 2010
365 Posts
December 03 2012 13:12 GMT
#10
Very surprised to see the TvP winrates. I was expecting it to be similar to TvZ (which is pretty sad to be honest )
prOpVikingBB2
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden273 Posts
December 03 2012 13:12 GMT
#11
Great work man! Interesting that ZvP is so even, I guess that's the wonwonwon.
I wondered why the baseball was getting bigger, then it hit me.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
December 03 2012 13:13 GMT
#12
Kinda had the feeling those convenient Blizzard statistics that show neither race having advantage were false...
It is really good to have something besides what Blizzard says. I know it is a lot of work but it would be great if you could continue making the stats.
Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
December 03 2012 13:15 GMT
#13
Thank you for writing this up. It is very informative
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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
December 03 2012 13:16 GMT
#14
On December 03 2012 22:12 malaan wrote:
Very surprised to see the TvP winrates. I was expecting it to be similar to TvZ (which is pretty sad to be honest )


I dunno, i feel like TvP is in a pretty decent spot right now balance wise. Seeing it being close to perfectly 50/50 was kinda surprising though o_O Other then that these stats pretty much prove what most people know already, TvZ is in a really bad spot, PvZ is very much so balanced stats wise like it has for the majority of 2012 but is riddled with balance issues (wonwonwon being damn near unstoppable vs broodlord infestor being damn near upstoppable, kinda evens things out i guess).
Big-t
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria1350 Posts
December 03 2012 13:17 GMT
#15
But never forget this my dear people: It´s not all about win/loss ratios.

TvZ: ouch
monchi | IdrA | Flash
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-03 13:29:34
December 03 2012 13:17 GMT
#16
On December 03 2012 22:09 onPHYRE wrote:
Interesting charts. I am not suprised to see P>Z despite all the protoss tears...


Many of the wins were Korean protoss (barely) beating foreigner zergs. Looking at the last GSL where the skill level was even says a hell of a lot more about balance- ZvP: 19-10 (65.5%).

TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
December 03 2012 13:18 GMT
#17
The huge ZvT stomps terran had to take in the last two GSTL seasons are not even included here. This shows at a large sample size, that the TvZ is very ill at the moment. And if you think about the fact, that we had some stable even winrates in the middle of the year while it got really bad in the past two months, this is even more harmless than the actual situation.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
December 03 2012 13:23 GMT
#18
wow tvz is fucked royally. maybe we will get the proposed buff after all.
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
December 03 2012 13:30 GMT
#19
On December 03 2012 22:07 tomatriedes wrote:
I feel the ZvP stat is a bit misleading because several of these tournaments were lacking top Korean zergs. If any of Life, Leenock, Violet, Sniper, Hyun, Symbol etc. had have attended WCG, Dreamhack, WCS and IEM these stats would have been much different.
But thanks anyway!


Have to agree.

For the top zergs it's really not that difficult for them to run you over.
C[h]ili
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany167 Posts
December 03 2012 13:30 GMT
#20
On December 03 2012 22:17 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2012 22:09 onPHYRE wrote:
Interesting charts. I am not suprised to see P>Z despite all the protoss tears...


Many of the wins were Korean protoss (barely) beating foreigner zergs. Looking at the last GSL where the skill level was even says a hell of a lot more about balance- ZvP: 19-10 (65.5%).



But this is a too small number of observations, especially since observations are not independent of each other!
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