EPTIt's interesting that Terran don't complain as much as Protoss yet Terran have the worst win rate ^_^ oh well.
Win Rates:Tournaments from September - December - Page 2
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51475 Posts
It's interesting that Terran don't complain as much as Protoss yet Terran have the worst win rate ^_^ oh well. | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
On December 03 2012 22:23 Greenei wrote: wow tvz is fucked royally. maybe we will get the proposed buff after all. Naw blizzard thinks its still perfectly balanced according to their data and there is nothing wrong with infestors Thats what happens when they try to balance around ladder games. They go can back to balancing their rocks | ||
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ShamW0W
160 Posts
Any chance you have the data broken out so that we can see how win rates have adjusted month-over-month since the queen patch? I'd be interested to see if ZvT, which is the matchup most people have concerns about, is improving or getting worse lately. | ||
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QoYoTe
Sweden11 Posts
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mrvidek
Romania15 Posts
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Blixt
Sweden16 Posts
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
 One question; are these the stats for maps/individual games won or bo series? For example, would a 2-0 score in a bo3 contribute 2 wins or 1? I think it is 2, which would be consistent with how TLPD does it (I think). Stats can be useful but without looking at context can be misleading. Two of the best Terrans (Mvp and Taeja) have been suffering wrist problems recently. I know Mvp has had problems for a while but they seem to have been very bad recently, forcing him to withdraw from IPL for example. There has also been MMA's problems with the Slayers drama and he has not been near his best either. I don't think those three alone make up the difference, but it is an example that stats don't tell the whole story. | ||
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-Kira
352 Posts
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speknek
758 Posts
On December 03 2012 22:12 malaan wrote: Very surprised to see the TvP winrates. I was expecting it to be similar to TvZ (which is pretty sad to be honest  )As noted by OP, TvP wins are all by the same players, there's like 2-3 guys in the world who can win TvP consistently, for the others it's indeed as hopeless as TvZ. | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On December 03 2012 22:07 tomatriedes wrote: I feel the ZvP stat is a bit misleading because several of these tournaments were lacking top Korean zergs. If any of Life, Leenock, Violet, Sniper, Hyun, Symbol etc. had have attended WCG, Dreamhack, WCS and IEM these stats would have been much different. But thanks anyway! No offense but if you gonne play the "if x was there or y wasn't there" game you basically try to change the stats to fit your personal opinion. | ||
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pprrii
Russian Federation216 Posts
MLG - ZvZ Finals GSL - ZvZ Finals IPL - ZvZ Finals xD | ||
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tassblaster
Canada47 Posts
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pprrii
Russian Federation216 Posts
On December 03 2012 22:41 Assirra wrote: No offense but if you gonne play the "if x was there or y wasn't there" game you basically try to change the stats to fit your personal opinion. He is talking it right. Is it fair to judge balance about WCG 2012 event where basically was only Parting and MKP out of top players? Same with BWC (korean P against foreigners). Of course not | ||
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Tuczniak
1561 Posts
On December 03 2012 22:39 speknek wrote: Well, substract data from top 3 players of each race and post it here if you think it will make difference.As noted by OP, TvP wins are all by the same players, there's like 2-3 guys in the world who can win TvP consistently, for the others it's indeed as hopeless as TvZ. | ||
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Grapefruit
Germany439 Posts
On December 03 2012 22:02 m0ck wrote: That's a great effort, must have taken a lot of work. You may want to change the coloring of the last three win-rate circles. You could make it blue/red/yellow-grey (the colors commonly associated with the three races) to better make visible the win-rates for the different races. Might do it later on. On December 03 2012 22:12 malaan wrote: Very surprised to see the TvP winrates. I was expecting it to be similar to TvZ (which is pretty sad to be honest )As I said in the OP, roughly 30% of the wins were gotten by less than 5 different players. On December 03 2012 22:34 ShamW0W wrote: Excellent data, thanks for compiling. Any chance you have the data broken out so that we can see how win rates have adjusted month-over-month since the queen patch? I'd be interested to see if ZvT, which is the matchup most people have concerns about, is improving or getting worse lately. Will do that some time later, might take a while. Maybe when December is over. On December 03 2012 22:37 Melliflue wrote: Thanks for all the work! One question; are these the stats for maps/individual games won or bo series? For example, would a 2-0 score in a bo3 contribute 2 wins or 1? I think it is 2, which would be consistent with how TLPD does it (I think). Stats can be useful but without looking at context can be misleading. Two of the best Terrans (Mvp and Taeja) have been suffering wrist problems recently. I know Mvp has had problems for a while but they seem to have been very bad recently, forcing him to withdraw from IPL for example. There has also been MMA's problems with the Slayers drama and he has not been near his best either. I don't think those three alone make up the difference, but it is an example that stats don't tell the whole story. Every game was counted individually. On December 03 2012 22:39 -Kira wrote: Useless numbers. How come? | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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Bellazuk
Canada146 Posts
Great tournament, I'd prob expect infestor nerf anyways but not sure if it will bring down the whinners because even when gsl was all about TvT , players were saying zerg op so I guess at this point it doesn't matter that much. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10121 Posts
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Netsky
Australia1155 Posts
Just looking at the tournaments, there are massive skill disparities among the players. To point out some glaring examples, you have game data from DreamHack Bucharest 2012, World Cyber Games 2012 and GSL Code S Season 5, Code A and Up & Downs in the same sample group which is absolutely ridiculous. | ||
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Yello
Germany7411 Posts
On December 03 2012 22:50 Saechiis wrote: I think Zerg is advantaged in the marathon tournaments that currently make out most of the tournament scene since they can play standard every game and have a good shot at winning. In terms of player specific preparations I feel Terran can do a lot to even things up, but that's only really the case in long term tournaments like GSL. This is TvZ for the last season of GSL: + Show Spoiler + 38.2% Set Winrate for Terran against Zergs (34W 55L) At least for the last season of GSL Terrans were performing extremely bad vs Zerg. Or Zerg were performing really well. If we jump back one more season things looks a lot more balanced with 47% Winrate for Terran vs Zerg (47W 53L) | ||
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